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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’m not going to insult you, I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago; ignore you. Your act was amusing at first, but now you’re just a bore.
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I can’t ignore these people anymore, they are getting more bold and out of place trying to push their views on others and force them to do as they think they should.

If it was just that they had an opinion, no big deal, but the second you start to think I have to live by your opinion and you can force it on my children. It becomes an issue.
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You can think however you like. But as I said previously, your mindset and that of bodyguards of a dying breed. No matter what I say here will change how you feel. Luckily, the people that replace you on this earth will not share your view. [/quote]

Really, I am looking around this forum, also where I work, and where I live; that is definitely not the case. Maybe when you get in highly populated areas and get like 100 people out of 3 million who agree with you, you think you are the majority.

Your whole philosophy is flawed. Life feeds on life, there is no other way.

What you eat is over processed or fruit or vegetable. Talk about freaking scum bag. At least the animals have a chance, you feed on poor defenseless vegetables, that cannot even move.

Gasp the horror you probably eat them fresh, without even processing them, the pain they must go through, not to mention the bugs and other animals you are depriving of food. Really the only logical step for someone like you is to purge the world of all humanity, including yourself.

You are scientifically an inferior being to everyone you are condemning because of your choices, You do not get all of the proper micro or macro nutrients in the optimal amount or ratios. You are so conflicted inside from your inconsistencies in value and thought you cannot even bring yourself to realization of who you are, you hide behind the bloated wanna be avatar, I feel bad for you and your never will amount to anything life.

bye.
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vegetables are not alive. they don’t have souls. they don’t feel pain or love or anger. Therefore you argument is invalid. Trees may be techically alive, but they also do not have souls. they do not feel pain or anger or love. [/quote]

please put forth your evidence that animals have “souls”.

i’ll be waiting.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’m not going to insult you, I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago; ignore you. Your act was amusing at first, but now you’re just a bore.
[/quote]
I can’t ignore these people anymore, they are getting more bold and out of place trying to push their views on others and force them to do as they think they should.

If it was just that they had an opinion, no big deal, but the second you start to think I have to live by your opinion and you can force it on my children. It becomes an issue.
[/quote]

You can think however you like. But as I said previously, your mindset and that of bodyguards of a dying breed. No matter what I say here will change how you feel. Luckily, the people that replace you on this earth will not share your view. [/quote]

Really, I am looking around this forum, also where I work, and where I live; that is definitely not the case. Maybe when you get in highly populated areas and get like 100 people out of 3 million who agree with you, you think you are the majority.

Your whole philosophy is flawed. Life feeds on life, there is no other way.

What you eat is over processed or fruit or vegetable. Talk about freaking scum bag. At least the animals have a chance, you feed on poor defenseless vegetables, that cannot even move.

Gasp the horror you probably eat them fresh, without even processing them, the pain they must go through, not to mention the bugs and other animals you are depriving of food. Really the only logical step for someone like you is to purge the world of all humanity, including yourself.

You are scientifically an inferior being to everyone you are condemning because of your choices, You do not get all of the proper micro or macro nutrients in the optimal amount or ratios. You are so conflicted inside from your inconsistencies in value and thought you cannot even bring yourself to realization of who you are, you hide behind the bloated wanna be avatar, I feel bad for you and your never will amount to anything life.

bye.
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I think there are many shades of how people feel. some, think that we humans own animals and they are here for us to do with as we please. there are people that may love animals, but still feel animals shouldn’t have the same rights as people. and then, there are many people like me, who feel the killing of an animal is just as bad as killing a human and the punishment should be the same. there are many shades of grey here. If you look at how people were 100 hundred years ago, we killed grizzly bears like crazy, we slaughtered almost every last one of them. we killed millions of beautiful highly intelligent whales without mercy.

Now, the only country on earth that still hunts whales is japan. and many animal rights groups go out in the ocean and actively try and stop them. There are bans and rules of when you can hunt and when you can’t. You can no longer kill grizly bears.

In the future, these bans on hunting and the killing of animals will become more and more prevalant till finally all forms of hunting in every way will be outlawed. [/quote]

do you eat ANY meat you big dumb motherfucker?

when do we commence the murder conspiracy charges against your dumb illogical ass?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The ol PWI shuffle, cut and reply.

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I didn’t distort anything you said in any way.

I do. My argument against dogfighting is not based on sentiment. It’s a logical position based on a hierarchy of animal values. An amoeba has less value than a chimpanzee for instance.

No, I didn’t.

Not applicable.

Glad to have been of service.[/quote]

you did not explain any such hierarchy of value. none. fail. in the spirit of a good debate though, I have challenged you to do so and renew the same. and please, stop with the fallacious amoeba / mammal analogy. bring your “A” game.
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Sorry I missed this one. Time zones.

Okay, I’ll accept that challenge. A dog is a highly intelligent animal capable of tracking, chasing, holding, flushing, retrieving and pointing game. Working dogs provide transport as sled dogs, herd sheep and cattle, search and rescue, lead the blind, detect drugs and explosives etc These attributes make a dog vastly more valuable than a rooster. Check.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

See this is the great part of what america used to be. You had the right to be offended, but did not have the right to interfere in someone’s life or with their private property.

No longer though. Big government and cry babies are turning this country into a trash can full of panty wastes. [/quote]

I agree with you there.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

…You can no longer kill grizly bears…

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Incorrect. But then again what’s new?

BTW, Rogue, tell us about your (massive mass building) diet. You don’t mind, do you? It aint like I’m asking you to post a pic or something bizarre like that.
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I am not incorrect. Grizzly bears are protected. If that protected class has been lifted, i can guarantee they can’t just go out and hunt these beings as they see fit. I’m sure the laws are quite strict.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

but guess what happens under the law if you violate that? here’s the biggest hypocrisy of all; they will seize your animals and kill them. and the biggest irony is that these “humane” organizations are probably responsible for the killing of more animals than all the bloodsports, “abusers” and “neglecters” combined.

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I don’t want to derail the thread too much, but what do you see as a solution to this?

Do you think placing heavy fines on those who raise animals to participate in bloodsports would be better? What should be done with the animals?

I really don’t know enough about this to offer an answer myself, which is why I’m curious about your take on the matter.[/quote]

If so called “bloodsport” is conducted according to rules and veterinary care is available, I don’t see a problem with it notwithstanding mine or anyone else personal sensibilities. It’s a matter of logic, not my anyone’s personal sensibilities or tastes. I believe animals are property and I do not believe they have rights. If I believed otherwise, I firmly feel that the only logical conclusion from such a position would be to refrain from consuming meet, using animal products and be anti-hunting. Since I am not of the foregoing, we have to accept with that position some things that may insult our sensibilities. From this foundation, I cannot go on the the slippery slope and irreconcilable differences inherent in “banning” or making the practice illegal.

“Cruelty” in these instances are truly in the eye of the beholder. From just a cultural perspective, I assure you the latin countries certainly do not feel they are being cruel to the gamecocks. And I can tell you that you cannot “force” two dogs to fight (no matter what nonsense you read about the practice). I hunt wild hog with dogs. It’s legal. But do you think it’s a big leap for someone that abhors dog fighting to see much difference between two dogs doing battle and a dog doing battle with a hog? Slippery slope.

No matter what side of the bloodsport argument you fall upon, I think we can all agree that there do exist sick bastards that DO TORTURE animals and/or otherwise neglect them. I think there is something truly wrong with those people. I don’t think there is something wrong with the men or women that would pit two gamecocks against each other any more than I think there is something wrong with someone that would sit in a tree all day long for a chance to shoot bambi. :slight_smile:

If you’re getting your jollies committing bonafide torture, you need fucking therapy, not jail. If you’re neglecting, there needs to be education or some support and/or some effort and remediation rather than a rush to seizure and euthanasia. Animals are property. Period. If they are not property, and they have rights, from what logical or moral position do we commit wholesale euthanasia and slaughter?

And to take the logic or morality necessary for them to truly have “rights” to its ridiculous (but necessary to illustrate the point) extreme, when do we start investigating these accidents between car and stray or wild animal? You strike a person, there’s a fucking investigation and a pound of legal flesh due. You strike an animal, and it lies on the side of the road until the carrion birds pick it clean.

Obviously, we need some guidelines. But no man should be imprisoned over an animal. That is inherently flawed thinking given our society and the earth’s natural biology. [/quote]

So, you believe the whales in our oceans are man’s property? or the lion in africa is our property? If you feel that way, i honestly feel bad for you for having such a terrible mindset. Let me ask you, why do you believe humans are better and more deserving to live? Dont animals raise families like humans do?

I know you will most likely insult me and ramble on, using complicated words, as if your writing some sort of contract. You will attack my love for animals and my belief that animals deserve the same respect as any human.

Luckily, people that have your mindset are a dying breed. With each passing generation, they become more and more enlightened. They realize all living beings are special and are all deserving to be treated with respect. You simply have not evolved to that point. Thats ashame. [/quote]

I’m not going to insult you, I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago; ignore you. Your act was amusing at first, but now you’re just a bore.
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Wow, the never quiet always has something to respond is silent. I have silenced him. For once he can not argue pure logic. And what I said is pure logic. Those that place a higher value on humans over animals, and there are many that do, are simply not evolved to the point of believing that all beings are equal. [/quote]

you do not even have a passing familiarity with “logic”. there is no “logic” and no evidence that all “beings” are equal. predation is the rule of the planet.

troll.[/quote]

all living beings are equal. its that simple. while you and many other may not agree. thats how the future is going to be.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’m not going to insult you, I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago; ignore you. Your act was amusing at first, but now you’re just a bore.
[/quote]
I can’t ignore these people anymore, they are getting more bold and out of place trying to push their views on others and force them to do as they think they should.

If it was just that they had an opinion, no big deal, but the second you start to think I have to live by your opinion and you can force it on my children. It becomes an issue.
[/quote]

You can think however you like. But as I said previously, your mindset and that of bodyguards of a dying breed. No matter what I say here will change how you feel. Luckily, the people that replace you on this earth will not share your view. [/quote]

Really, I am looking around this forum, also where I work, and where I live; that is definitely not the case. Maybe when you get in highly populated areas and get like 100 people out of 3 million who agree with you, you think you are the majority.

Your whole philosophy is flawed. Life feeds on life, there is no other way.

What you eat is over processed or fruit or vegetable. Talk about freaking scum bag. At least the animals have a chance, you feed on poor defenseless vegetables, that cannot even move.

Gasp the horror you probably eat them fresh, without even processing them, the pain they must go through, not to mention the bugs and other animals you are depriving of food. Really the only logical step for someone like you is to purge the world of all humanity, including yourself.

You are scientifically an inferior being to everyone you are condemning because of your choices, You do not get all of the proper micro or macro nutrients in the optimal amount or ratios. You are so conflicted inside from your inconsistencies in value and thought you cannot even bring yourself to realization of who you are, you hide behind the bloated wanna be avatar, I feel bad for you and your never will amount to anything life.

bye.
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vegetables are not alive. they don’t have souls. they don’t feel pain or love or anger. Therefore you argument is invalid. Trees may be techically alive, but they also do not have souls. they do not feel pain or anger or love. [/quote]

please put forth your evidence that animals have “souls”.

i’ll be waiting.
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well, as i once told my daughter. If animals aren’t allowed in heaven. I won’t have any part of it. souls are energy. all living beings have energy that can not be created nor destroyed. thats a fact. look it up. I have never in my life met more animal hating pricks.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’m not going to insult you, I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago; ignore you. Your act was amusing at first, but now you’re just a bore.
[/quote]
I can’t ignore these people anymore, they are getting more bold and out of place trying to push their views on others and force them to do as they think they should.

If it was just that they had an opinion, no big deal, but the second you start to think I have to live by your opinion and you can force it on my children. It becomes an issue.
[/quote]

You can think however you like. But as I said previously, your mindset and that of bodyguards of a dying breed. No matter what I say here will change how you feel. Luckily, the people that replace you on this earth will not share your view. [/quote]

Really, I am looking around this forum, also where I work, and where I live; that is definitely not the case. Maybe when you get in highly populated areas and get like 100 people out of 3 million who agree with you, you think you are the majority.

Your whole philosophy is flawed. Life feeds on life, there is no other way.

What you eat is over processed or fruit or vegetable. Talk about freaking scum bag. At least the animals have a chance, you feed on poor defenseless vegetables, that cannot even move.

Gasp the horror you probably eat them fresh, without even processing them, the pain they must go through, not to mention the bugs and other animals you are depriving of food. Really the only logical step for someone like you is to purge the world of all humanity, including yourself.

You are scientifically an inferior being to everyone you are condemning because of your choices, You do not get all of the proper micro or macro nutrients in the optimal amount or ratios. You are so conflicted inside from your inconsistencies in value and thought you cannot even bring yourself to realization of who you are, you hide behind the bloated wanna be avatar, I feel bad for you and your never will amount to anything life.

bye.
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I think there are many shades of how people feel. some, think that we humans own animals and they are here for us to do with as we please. there are people that may love animals, but still feel animals shouldn’t have the same rights as people. and then, there are many people like me, who feel the killing of an animal is just as bad as killing a human and the punishment should be the same. there are many shades of grey here. If you look at how people were 100 hundred years ago, we killed grizzly bears like crazy, we slaughtered almost every last one of them. we killed millions of beautiful highly intelligent whales without mercy.

Now, the only country on earth that still hunts whales is japan. and many animal rights groups go out in the ocean and actively try and stop them. There are bans and rules of when you can hunt and when you can’t. You can no longer kill grizly bears.

In the future, these bans on hunting and the killing of animals will become more and more prevalant till finally all forms of hunting in every way will be outlawed. [/quote]

do you eat ANY meat you big dumb motherfucker?

when do we commence the murder conspiracy charges against your dumb illogical ass?[/quote]

Did i actually kill the animal. No. end of story. and i rarely if ever eat meat.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Did i actually kill the animal. No. end of story. and i rarely if ever eat meat. [/quote]

How is that ‘end of story?’ You paid for someone else to kill the animal. That makes your point bullshit and makes you a hypocrite. If you must troll at least make it funny.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

well, as i once told my daughter. If animals aren’t allowed in heaven. I won’t have any part of it. souls are energy. all living beings have energy that can not be created nor destroyed. thats a fact. look it up. [/quote]

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
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Some of this seems contradictory to me. For instance, you say:

"“Cruelty” in these instances are truly in the eye of the beholder. From just a cultural perspective, I assure you the latin countries certainly do not feel they are being cruel to the gamecocks. And I can tell you that you cannot “force” two dogs to fight (no matter what nonsense you read about the practice). I hunt wild hog with dogs. It’s legal. But do you think it’s a big leap for someone that abhors dog fighting to see much difference between two dogs doing battle and a dog doing battle with a hog? Slippery slope. "

but then you jump into:

“No matter what side of the bloodsport argument you fall upon, I think we can all agree that there do exist sick bastards that DO TORTURE animals and/or otherwise neglect them. I think there is something truly wrong with those people. I don’t think there is something wrong with the men or women that would pit two gamecocks against each other any more than I think there is something wrong with someone that would sit in a tree all day long for a chance to shoot bambi. :)”

If animals have no inherent rights, what’s wrong with torturing them in any way?[/quote]

You’re equating bloodsport with “torture” when in fact the only two animals I’m aware that are “pitted” against each other with any consistency and by any rules are pitbulls and gamecocks and I can assure you that both animals are willing and eager participants.

There is nothing contradictory about what I said. I also qualified that “cruelty is in the eye of the beholder” and further qualified that such is often based on one’s culture or personal sensibilities.
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My point wasn’t that bloodsport was torture, but that you have a clear idea of what torture toward animals is and you strongly are convinced that your idea of torture should never be allowed. You said that the people who do it are clearly sick and should be treated to overcome their sickeness. If they don’t want this treatment because they don’t feel that animals have rights and are not convinced that what they’re doing is wrong, you are in effect going to have to convince them otherwise.

I can beat a tree all day and no one is going to get mad if it’s my own tree. I’m sure you wouldn’t bat an eye if I trapped a spider and let it die on the sticky film. What makes dogs deserving of anything better?

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

I can beat a tree all day and no one is going to get mad if it’s my own tree. I’m sure you wouldn’t bat an eye if I trapped a spider and let it die on the sticky film. What makes dogs deserving of anything better? [/quote]

A dog is a highly intelligent animal capable of tracking, chasing, holding, flushing, retrieving and pointing game. Working dogs provide transport as sled dogs, herd sheep and cattle, search and rescue, lead the blind, detect drugs and explosives etc These attributes make a dog vastly more valuable than a spider. Check.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Did i actually kill the animal. No. end of story. and i rarely if ever eat meat. [/quote]

How is that ‘end of story?’ You paid for someone else to kill the animal. That makes your point bullshit and makes you a hypocrite. If you must troll at least make it funny.[/quote]

I’m not perfect. yes, i have eaten meat. but like I said, I rarely if ever do eat it. I’m not making excuses. People can have beliefs and sometimes they are hypocrits, but i still feel how i do, sometimes when your in a supermarket or at a cookout, you sometimes forget it was once a living creature.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

…You can no longer kill grizly bears…

[/quote]

Incorrect. But then again what’s new?

BTW, Rogue, tell us about your (massive mass building) diet. You don’t mind, do you? It aint like I’m asking you to post a pic or something bizarre like that.
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I am not incorrect. Grizzly bears are protected. If that protected class has been lifted, i can guarantee they can’t just go out and hunt these beings as they see fit. I’m sure the laws are quite strict. [/quote]

You are dead wrong.

http://www.bearsinbc.com/pages/02grizzly/02regulations.html

http://www.blackstoneoutfitters.com/grizzly.htm[/quote]

Its sad as hell, they still allow the killing of these beautiful animals. No wonder i despise humans. But also notice, the rules of hunting are rather strict. You can only hunt for a very short amount of time. Usually only 2 months in the fall for the most part. sometimes a short period in the spring. and no cubs or pregnant females can be killed. We are also talking about Alaska here, where the brown bear population is in great numbers.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

well, as i once told my daughter. If animals aren’t allowed in heaven. I won’t have any part of it. souls are energy. all living beings have energy that can not be created nor destroyed. thats a fact. look it up. [/quote]

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

Maybe you never heard what Einstein said, “energy can not be created nor destroyed, only changed.”

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The ol PWI shuffle, cut and reply.

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I didn’t distort anything you said in any way.

I do. My argument against dogfighting is not based on sentiment. It’s a logical position based on a hierarchy of animal values. An amoeba has less value than a chimpanzee for instance.

No, I didn’t.

Not applicable.

Glad to have been of service.[/quote]

you did not explain any such hierarchy of value. none. fail. in the spirit of a good debate though, I have challenged you to do so and renew the same. and please, stop with the fallacious amoeba / mammal analogy. bring your “A” game.
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Sorry I missed this one. Time zones.

Okay, I’ll accept that challenge. A dog is a highly intelligent animal capable of tracking, chasing, holding, flushing, retrieving and pointing game. Working dogs provide transport as sled dogs, herd sheep and cattle, search and rescue, lead the blind, detect drugs and explosives etc These attributes make a dog vastly more valuable than a rooster. Check.[/quote]

You’re going to have to do better than that.

Everything you just described falls under the definition of “utility” and by logical conclusion, a “tool”. Which brings me full circle back to my argument that animals are property, with no special “rights” other than our obligation to provide reasonable care.

In our culture (the United States), we do not eat dogs. Therefore, if you were hungry, the rooster would have more value and utility than the dog.

See how that works?

Like I said; don’t shoot from the cuff - bring your “A” game or stay on the bench.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’m not going to insult you, I’m going to do what I should have done a long time ago; ignore you. Your act was amusing at first, but now you’re just a bore.
[/quote]
I can’t ignore these people anymore, they are getting more bold and out of place trying to push their views on others and force them to do as they think they should.

If it was just that they had an opinion, no big deal, but the second you start to think I have to live by your opinion and you can force it on my children. It becomes an issue.
[/quote]

You can think however you like. But as I said previously, your mindset and that of bodyguards of a dying breed. No matter what I say here will change how you feel. Luckily, the people that replace you on this earth will not share your view. [/quote]

Really, I am looking around this forum, also where I work, and where I live; that is definitely not the case. Maybe when you get in highly populated areas and get like 100 people out of 3 million who agree with you, you think you are the majority.

Your whole philosophy is flawed. Life feeds on life, there is no other way.

What you eat is over processed or fruit or vegetable. Talk about freaking scum bag. At least the animals have a chance, you feed on poor defenseless vegetables, that cannot even move.

Gasp the horror you probably eat them fresh, without even processing them, the pain they must go through, not to mention the bugs and other animals you are depriving of food. Really the only logical step for someone like you is to purge the world of all humanity, including yourself.

You are scientifically an inferior being to everyone you are condemning because of your choices, You do not get all of the proper micro or macro nutrients in the optimal amount or ratios. You are so conflicted inside from your inconsistencies in value and thought you cannot even bring yourself to realization of who you are, you hide behind the bloated wanna be avatar, I feel bad for you and your never will amount to anything life.

bye.
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vegetables are not alive. they don’t have souls. they don’t feel pain or love or anger. Therefore you argument is invalid. Trees may be techically alive, but they also do not have souls. they do not feel pain or anger or love. [/quote]

please put forth your evidence that animals have “souls”.

i’ll be waiting.
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well, as i once told my daughter. If animals aren’t allowed in heaven. I won’t have any part of it. souls are energy. all living beings have energy that can not be created nor destroyed. thats a fact. look it up. I have never in my life met more animal hating pricks. [/quote]

I love animals, just not more than humans. I have many dogs, and a cat. I have rescued many dogs. I have rescued a bald eagle and a hawk. I stop my car at least a dozen times on my road per year just to move a turtle out of the road. My cat is lying next to me right now. Anyway…

First, you’re making a scientific claim and you’re going to have to provide references (this is PWI troll).

First, provide evidence that the thing you call a “soul” does indeed exist. Define it, describe it and measure it.

Next provide evidence that animals possess a soul.

Let me help you here troll. You cannot do the above. “Soul” has its roots as a religious principal, and I’m not aware of any scripture in the “big 3 religions” that imbues an animals with a “soul”. Furthermore, from the beginning of time, man has been sacrificing animals to one “god” or another.

So, given your reference to “heaven”, you are inextricably linking your idea of a “soul” to God and Heaven. Therefore, I’ll ignore the long history of animal sacrifice and I’ll settle for your providing scriptural reference to animals having “souls”.

By the way, I know you’re a troll, or the dumbest man walking the planet; in either event, I really do literally chuckle every single time you type “that’s a fact”. Well done sir (or ma’am, or young lady, whatever the case may be)

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

do you eat ANY meat you big dumb motherfucker?

when do we commence the murder conspiracy charges against your dumb illogical ass?[/quote]

Did i actually kill the animal. No. end of story. and i rarely if ever eat meat. [/quote]

If you consume meat you dumb shit, and “animals are equal to humans”, the State should indict you and try you for murder conspiracy charges. You should then be imprisoned you simpleton - where you can no longer troll, conspire to murder any more animals and/or influence your alleged daughter.