Thoughts on this? figured it would be good to stay off any extra BF i might incur.
Bad Idea. Use something like that if you are cutting but NOT during a bulk.
In a calorie surplus, a fat burner will have no benefit.
Contrary to what others have said, it’s not a bad idea if you tend to put on weight (fat) easily.
On the other hand, it should be avoided if you struggle to make gains while “bulking.”
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
Contrary to what others have said, it’s not a bad idea if you tend to put on weight (fat) easily.
On the other hand, it should be avoided if you struggle to make gains while “bulking.”[/quote]
This is why it is a bad idea, long term use of stimulants=higher cortisol=more stubborn stomach fat=less sensitivity to stimulants& lower insulin sensitivity (the real key to lean bulking).
Consider the importance of lean gains versus gains for gains sake (and yes it is possible).
One of the main ingredients (yohimbine) only releases fat (from stubborn area) it doesn’t burn it. So if theres no calorie shortage, extra mobilized fat will do nothing except get restored as fat.
thanks for the feedback. i think i’m going to take another supp. abs+ recommended by John Berdardi. It’s a natural fat burner with CLA &ECGC from green tea.
http://shop.genuinehealth.com/ProductSelection.aspx?ProductID=2170&CategoryID=72
I will be clean bulking but i want as little fat gain as possible.
I think what others have said is that all fat burner supplements in particular will have any positive affect for a ‘clean bulk’
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
One of the main ingredients (yohimbine) only releases fat (from stubborn area) it doesn’t burn it. So if theres no calorie shortage, extra mobilized fat will do nothing except get restored as fat.[/quote]
Okay, but yohimbine has other benefits as well. Many will argue that it’s benefit as a CNS stim is enough to justify its use if you can tolerate it.
The other ingredients have other benefits too.
IMO a lot of people get too hung up on cortisol levels. If you’re making progress, why over think everything?
I would just spend less money and go with green tea extract. I just don’t think HRX benefit will be much to warrant the cost while bulking, but of course thats the individual’s call.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
One of the main ingredients (yohimbine) only releases fat (from stubborn area) it doesn’t burn it. So if theres no calorie shortage, extra mobilized fat will do nothing except get restored as fat.
Okay, but yohimbine has other benefits as well. Many will argue that it’s benefit as a CNS stim is enough to justify its use if you can tolerate it.
The other ingredients have other benefits too.
IMO a lot of people get too hung up on cortisol levels. If you’re making progress, why over think everything?[/quote]
Overtaxing the CNS will ultimatly effect your ability to recruit HTMU’s (High threshold motor units) further it is physiologically impossible to make gains with elevated cortisol levels, cortisol by nature is present for the purpose of BREAKING THINGS DOWN.
Aside from what others have said, I’d be concerned about trying to bulk while taking HOT-ROX due to fact that it really blunts my hunger. I’m cutting right now and by the time each meal comes around, I feel like I’m bulking because I’m eating but just not hungry. That’s great while cutting, but I can’t imagine trying to pack in the calories like that on a bulk. I’d imagine that HOT-ROX’s effect on an individual’s hunger is highly individual, though.
it doesn’t decrease your desire to eat if you take it with food.
yes the bottle recommends taking it on an empty stomach, but i didn’t like the way it made me feel and it also took away my appetite.
i called Biotest and they told me it was perfectly fine to take it with food. Since then no problem eating at all.
I would only use it for cutting, and even then, an EC stack would be less costly. If you concerned on adding fat, bulk with clean food. Shugart wrote an excellent article on it.
[quote]laroyal wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
One of the main ingredients (yohimbine) only releases fat (from stubborn area) it doesn’t burn it. So if theres no calorie shortage, extra mobilized fat will do nothing except get restored as fat.
Okay, but yohimbine has other benefits as well. Many will argue that it’s benefit as a CNS stim is enough to justify its use if you can tolerate it.
The other ingredients have other benefits too.
IMO a lot of people get too hung up on cortisol levels. If you’re making progress, why over think everything?
Overtaxing the CNS will ultimatly effect your ability to recruit HTMU’s (High threshold motor units) further it is physiologically impossible to make gains with elevated cortisol levels, cortisol by nature is present for the purpose of BREAKING THINGS DOWN.[/quote]
Anything that overtaxes ones CNS shouldn’t be used long-term.
However, this is a highly individual thing. Some people can barely tolerate low-dosed of caffeine while others can use caffeine, ephedrine and other substances without a problem.
Thus, it’s silly to make blanket recommendations on the topic.
Where is all this info. about it being too taxing on the CNS coming from?
Also where does it say cortisol levels are heightened when taking it?
Just curious. I am kind of leaning away from taking it now, because i should stick to one goal anyways …lose fat or gain weight.
And YES i am clean bulking. I would never just take a supp. so i could eat like shit. That’s just a piss poor way to treat my body.
Autonomic and psychic effects of yohimbine hydrochloride
Journal Psychopharmacology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
Issue Volume 2, Number 2 / March, 1961
Category Original Investigations
DOI 10.1007/BF00592678
Pages 93-106
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Yohimbe (yohimbine)
Yohimbine is an alkaloid contained in the bark of an African tree, yohimbe. The yohimbe tree is found growing in the wild throughout tropical west Africa from Nigeria to Gabon along the coast. It is a tall evergreen with large, leathery leaves.
Because yohimbine is
the most active component of yohimbe, the two names are often used interchangeably. Other minor alkaloids found in yohimbe bark include ajmaline, alloyohimbine, corynanthine, quebrachine and tetrahydromethylcorynanthein.
Yohimbine is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor that stimulates increase norepinephrine release.
Yohimbine blocks alpha-2 adrenergic receptors, part of the sympathetic nervous system. Yohimbine is a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor to increase levels of the neurotransmitter, norepinephrine. Yohimbine also acts as a central nervous system stimulator and may increase energy levels and promote fat oxidation. It also dilates blood vessels and is useful in the treatment for erectile dysfunction and some forms of impotence in men.
Yohimbine has also been used for weight loss. In summary, yohimbine may have some mahor benefits, including increased serum testosterone levels, muscle growth and strength, weight loss, fatigue and sexual function.
Possible side effects may include dizziness, nausea, insomnia, anxiety, increased blood pressure, and rapid heart beat. Higher doses of oral yohimbine create numerous side effects such as salivation, dilated pupils, emptying of the bowels, low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat ending in heart failure.
Patients with kidney disease, peptic ulcer or pregnant or breast-feeding women should not use yohimbe. Drugs such as phenothiazines enhance yohimbine toxicity. Yohimbine is contraindicated in individuals with high or low blood pressure, bipolar disorder, existing liver and kidney disease, or patients who are pregnant or on tricyclic antidepressants.
Anyting that can cause anxiety or trigger fight or flight mechanisms an cause a subsequent raise in cortisol
Charney DS, Woods SW, Goodman WK, Heninger GR.
The effects of yohimbine, an alpha 2-adrenergic receptor antagonist, on anxiety, blood pressure, heart rate, and plasma levels of the norepinephrine metabolite 3-methoxy-4-hydroxyphenylglycol (MHPG) and cortisol were determined in 20 healthy subjects and 68 patients who had agoraphobia with panic attacks or panic disorder.
Yohimbine produced panic attacks meeting DSM-III criteria in 37 patients and one healthy subject. The patients reporting yohimbine-induced panic attacks had significantly larger increases in plasma MHPG, cortisol, systolic blood pressure, and heart rate than the healthy subjects.
These findings support the hypothesis relating high noradrenergic neuronal activity to the pathophysiology of panic attacks in a subgroup of panic disorder patients.
PMID: 3037926 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Related ArticlesNoradrenergic function in panic anxiety. Effects of yohimbine in healthy subjects and patients with agoraphobia and panic disorder. [Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1984] Noradrenergic function in generalized anxiety disorder: effects of yohimbine in healthy subjects and patients with generalized anxiety disorder. [Psychiatry Res. 1989] Abnormal regulation of noradrenergic function in panic disorders.
Effects of clonidine in healthy subjects and patients with agoraphobia and panic disorder. [Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1986] Noradrenergic neuronal dysregulation in panic disorder: the effects of intravenous yohimbine and clonidine in panic disorder patients. [Acta Psychiatr Scand. 1992] Increased anxiogenic effects of caffeine in panic disorders. [Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1985] » See all Related Articles… Display
[quote]laroyal wrote:
Autonomic and psychic effects of yohimbine hydrochloride
Journal Psychopharmacology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0033-3158 (Print) 1432-2072 (Online)
Issue Volume 2, Number 2 / March, 1961
Category Original Investigations
DOI 10.1007/BF00592678
Pages 93-106
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Yohimbe (yohimbine)
Yohimbine is an alkaloid contained in the bark of an African tree, yohimbe. The yohimbe tree is found growing in the wild throughout tropical west Africa from Nigeria to Gabon along the coast. It is a tall evergreen with large, leathery leaves.
Because yohimbine is
the most active component of yohimbe, the two names are often used interchangeably. Other minor alkaloids found in yohimbe bark include ajmaline, alloyohimbine, corynanthine, quebrachine and tetrahydromethylcorynanthein.
Yohimbine is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor that stimulates increase norepinephrine release.
Yohimbine blocks alpha-2 adrenergic receptors, part of the sympathetic nervous system. Yohimbine is a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor to increase levels of the neurotransmitter, norepinephrine. Yohimbine also acts as a central nervous system stimulator and may increase energy levels and promote fat oxidation. It also dilates blood vessels and is useful in the treatment for erectile dysfunction and some forms of impotence in men.
Yohimbine has also been used for weight loss. In summary, yohimbine may have some mahor benefits, including increased serum testosterone levels, muscle growth and strength, weight loss, fatigue and sexual function.
Possible side effects may include dizziness, nausea, insomnia, anxiety, increased blood pressure, and rapid heart beat. Higher doses of oral yohimbine create numerous side effects such as salivation, dilated pupils, emptying of the bowels, low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat ending in heart failure.
Patients with kidney disease, peptic ulcer or pregnant or breast-feeding women should not use yohimbe. Drugs such as phenothiazines enhance yohimbine toxicity. Yohimbine is contraindicated in individuals with high or low blood pressure, bipolar disorder, existing liver and kidney disease, or patients who are pregnant or on tricyclic antidepressants.
Anyting that can cause anxiety or trigger fight or flight mechanisms an cause a subsequent raise in cortisol
Charney DS, Woods SW, Goodman WK, Heninger GR.
The effects of yohimbine, an alpha 2-adrenergic receptor antagonist, on anxiety, blood pressure, heart rate, and plasma levels of the norepinephrine metabolite 3-methoxy-4-hydroxyphenylglycol (MHPG) and cortisol were determined in 20 healthy subjects and 68 patients who had agoraphobia with panic attacks or panic disorder.
Yohimbine produced panic attacks meeting DSM-III criteria in 37 patients and one healthy subject. The patients reporting yohimbine-induced panic attacks had significantly larger increases in plasma MHPG, cortisol, systolic blood pressure, and heart rate than the healthy subjects.
These findings support the hypothesis relating high noradrenergic neuronal activity to the pathophysiology of panic attacks in a subgroup of panic disorder patients.
PMID: 3037926 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Related ArticlesNoradrenergic function in panic anxiety. Effects of yohimbine in healthy subjects and patients with agoraphobia and panic disorder. [Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1984] Noradrenergic function in generalized anxiety disorder: effects of yohimbine in healthy subjects and patients with generalized anxiety disorder. [Psychiatry Res. 1989] Abnormal regulation of noradrenergic function in panic disorders.
Effects of clonidine in healthy subjects and patients with agoraphobia and panic disorder. [Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1986] Noradrenergic neuronal dysregulation in panic disorder: the effects of intravenous yohimbine and clonidine in panic disorder patients. [Acta Psychiatr Scand. 1992] Increased anxiogenic effects of caffeine in panic disorders. [Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1985] » See all Related Articles… Display [/quote]
ahhh i don’t know royal…i think i might need a little bit more information =) No seriously thanks for that. Where did you dig up all that info?
BTW saw you have an English Bulldog? So do I her name is Sydney a.k.a. porker cause she’s so chunky…lol …love those dogs…
Bulldogs are the greatest!! This is my first dog, a friend of mine is a breader and when I saw “Baxter” aka “meaty” I could’t pass him up. He is coming up on 8years old this October and I have been fortunate with his help (no problems in 8 years). You’ll have to send some pics of Sydney Porker I would love to see them.
The info came from medline, vitanet, and journal of psychopharmacology online.
HRX makes me superhungry! weird.