Bulking Calories: Berardi vs Thib

Diet and Nutrition
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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wait…so you think the human body casually WANTS to be over 220lbs of mostly muscle on someone of average height? have you considered that to become extremely developed, extreme measures will be needed?

No one “casually” gets that big unless they have genetics…[/quote]

Yes, I get that but I assume most people have not even begun to tap into their own genetic potential.[/quote]

Yeah, they won’t ever get close with people acting like muscle get huge casually.

They don’t. Any big guy will tell you that. I didn’t get this size by accident or by casually eating only until I was satisfied.

People who do that look NORMAL. That is not a coincidence.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Thus the need to go past the point of comfort ;)[/quote]

A few extra grams of protein per day is all that is needed to add muscle at a reasonable rate. Without anabolic aids it is questionable how fast it can happen. Self experiment, I guess.[/quote]

? You are making me wonder just how “huge” you are if you think like this. I am waiting to find the guy who became fucking huge from “a few extra grams of protein a day” alone.[/quote]

I forget about you bodybuilders.

You don’t care about being healthy.

:)[/quote]

?? I forgot that when people speak of gaining muscle on a weight lifting forum, they only mean “as much as Justin Beiber”.

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[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Thus the need to go past the point of comfort ;)[/quote]

A few extra grams of protein per day is all that is needed to add muscle at a reasonable rate. Without anabolic aids it is questionable how fast it can happen. Self experiment, I guess.[/quote]

? You are making me wonder just how “huge” you are if you think like this. I am waiting to find the guy who became fucking huge from “a few extra grams of protein a day” alone.[/quote]

This is the supplements forum. Around these parts “fucking huge” is 180lbs.[/quote]

Then I am gargantuan!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I forgot that when people speak of gaining muscle on a weight lifting forum, they only mean “as much as Justin Beiber”.[/quote]

Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Thus the need to go past the point of comfort ;)[/quote]

A few extra grams of protein per day is all that is needed to add muscle at a reasonable rate. Without anabolic aids it is questionable how fast it can happen. Self experiment, I guess.[/quote]

? You are making me wonder just how “huge” you are if you think like this. I am waiting to find the guy who became fucking huge from “a few extra grams of protein a day” alone.[/quote]

I’d rather eat decent surplus of protein than winging it just getting a few extra…

If it’s of any help, the weight gain program put on by PN has people shooting for 300g of protein per day, and this is among a group of people that tend to weigh well under 200 lbs.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
JB doesn’t seem to advocate calorie counting much anymore, save for a few advanced level people.[/quote]

That doesn’t mean that JB thinks counting calories is a waste of time.

Fact is, counting kcals provides a truly objective approach while also completely eliminating any mysticism surrounding fat loss/muscle gain. And for the vast majority, it’s a completely foolproof way to achieve physique-related goals in either direction.

Sure, it takes a little effort up-front and there’s a learning curve involved and many, many folks aren’t willing to do all that, but that’s no different than most things in life, really.

(edited)
[/quote]

I don’t want to speak further for him on this account, I would just add that while he probably doesn’t see it as a waste of time, more like focusing too much on the details without focusing so much on making things simple so that most people will be successful long-term.

Typically, any more when people ask for the calorie count of PN recipes he replies that he hasn’t totaled it up.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
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This is the supplements forum. Around these parts “fucking huge” is 180lbs.[/quote]

Then I am gargantuan![/quote]

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part. [/quote]

So you are a gargantuan sprinter or gymnast?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I forgot that when people speak of gaining muscle on a weight lifting forum, they only mean “as much as Justin Beiber”.[/quote]

Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part.[/quote]

You are pretty delusional if you think gymnasts and sprinters aren’t taking “extreme measures” outside of intense training.

You are pretty delusional if you think bodybuilders are the only ones who don’t care about being healthy. When a throphy and cash is on the line, in the end of the day fuck health, people just want to win.

I think you’re just a pretty delusional individual trying to find the easy and short way to achieve your goals, and making up whatever excuse you can along the way to do it. Good thing you admit that you are a coward simply looking to “take the easier parth not the extreme one.”

Good luck underachieving your whole life buddy.

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[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[
This is the supplements forum. Around these parts “fucking huge” is 180lbs.[/quote]

Then I am gargantuan![/quote]

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part. [/quote]

So you are a gargantuan sprinter or gymnast? [/quote]

If I were either of those two things I would definitely be gargantuan.

Actually, I am shooting for a lean 210 at 6’1".

I would probably make a better sprinter if I could only run that fast :slight_smile:

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[quote]DeltaOne wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I forgot that when people speak of gaining muscle on a weight lifting forum, they only mean “as much as Justin Beiber”.[/quote]

Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part.[/quote]

You are pretty delusional if you think gymnasts and sprinters aren’t taking “extreme measures” outside of intense training.

You are pretty delusional if you think bodybuilders are the only ones who don’t care about being healthy. When a throphy and cash is on the line, in the end of the day fuck health, people just want to win.

I think you’re just a pretty delusional individual trying to find the easy and short way to achieve your goals, and making up whatever excuse you can along the way to do it. Good thing you admit that you are a coward simply looking to “take the easier parth not the extreme one.”

Good luck underachieving your whole life buddy. [/quote]

I think you judge me and don’t know me - which makes you more flawed than me.

EASY, SHORT WAY?!

Are you fucking insane? What are you 19, boy?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]DeltaOne wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I forgot that when people speak of gaining muscle on a weight lifting forum, they only mean “as much as Justin Beiber”.[/quote]

Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part.[/quote]

You are pretty delusional if you think gymnasts and sprinters aren’t taking “extreme measures” outside of intense training.

You are pretty delusional if you think bodybuilders are the only ones who don’t care about being healthy. When a throphy and cash is on the line, in the end of the day fuck health, people just want to win.

I think you’re just a pretty delusional individual trying to find the easy and short way to achieve your goals, and making up whatever excuse you can along the way to do it. Good thing you admit that you are a coward simply looking to “take the easier parth not the extreme one.”

Good luck underachieving your whole life buddy. [/quote]

I think you judge me and don’t know me - which makes you more flawed than me.

EASY, SHORT WAY?!

Are you fucking insane? What are you 19, boy?[/quote]

When I get home I’ll point out every time you said you want a “easier way” and all the excuses you gave as justifications.

Flawed because I call out your little bitch attitude ? Yeah no, and you made 2 straw mans in your post, points for your argument skills.

Yes I’m 20, the picture you see is my avatar is me, you are 42, there is no picture of you in your avatar, and you write that you are humongous, yeah sure.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
If you’re trying to gain weight then you can follow these very easy steps:

  1. Figure out what your maintenance calorie # is.
  2. Add 300-500 calories to that.
  3. Consume 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of BW.
  4. Account for 20% of your calories from fat.
  5. Fill in the rest of your calories with carbs.

Asses your weight gain after a couple weeks and adjust your cals/macros from there. If gains are too slow for you then bump up calories, of they’re too fast/you’re putting on too much fat then scale it back slightly.[/quote]

This!

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
If you’re trying to gain weight then you can follow these very easy steps:

  1. Figure out what your maintenance calorie # is.
  2. Add 300-500 calories to that.
  3. Consume 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of BW.
  4. Account for 20% of your calories from fat.
  5. Fill in the rest of your calories with carbs.

Asses your weight gain after a couple weeks and adjust your cals/macros from there. If gains are too slow for you then bump up calories, of they’re too fast/you’re putting on too much fat then scale it back slightly.[/quote]

This! [/quote]

x2

Berardis formula calls for significantly higher calories than most, but very high calories is what works for me. You just have to see what works for you.

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[quote]DeltaOne wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]DeltaOne wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I forgot that when people speak of gaining muscle on a weight lifting forum, they only mean “as much as Justin Beiber”.[/quote]

Nah, I prefer something like a Olympic sprinter or gymnast. Doesn’t require “extreme measures” at all outside of intense training - and that part is the fun part.[/quote]

You are pretty delusional if you think gymnasts and sprinters aren’t taking “extreme measures” outside of intense training.

You are pretty delusional if you think bodybuilders are the only ones who don’t care about being healthy. When a throphy and cash is on the line, in the end of the day fuck health, people just want to win.

I think you’re just a pretty delusional individual trying to find the easy and short way to achieve your goals, and making up whatever excuse you can along the way to do it. Good thing you admit that you are a coward simply looking to “take the easier parth not the extreme one.”

Good luck underachieving your whole life buddy. [/quote]

I think you judge me and don’t know me - which makes you more flawed than me.

EASY, SHORT WAY?!

Are you fucking insane? What are you 19, boy?[/quote]

When I get home I’ll point out every time you said you want a “easier way” and all the excuses you gave as justifications.

Flawed because I call out your little bitch attitude ? Yeah no, and you made 2 straw mans in your post, points for your argument skills.

Yes I’m 20, the picture you see is my avatar is me, you are 42, there is no picture of you in your avatar, and you write that you are humongous, yeah sure.[/quote]

Nevermind, I just realized Professor X has been calling you out this entire thread the exact same way I was gonna do, except he’s being more polite, because he’s a mod.

So, waste of time continuing this, carry on.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
If you’re trying to gain weight then you can follow these very easy steps:

  1. Figure out what your maintenance calorie # is.
  2. Add 300-500 calories to that.
  3. Consume 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of BW.
  4. Account for 20% of your calories from fat.
  5. Fill in the rest of your calories with carbs.

Asses your weight gain after a couple weeks and adjust your cals/macros from there. If gains are too slow for you then bump up calories, of they’re too fast/you’re putting on too much fat then scale it back slightly.[/quote]

Except that method does not work for everyone. From my experience, I felt miserable eating that way - in more than just physical health.

One does not need a scale to judge progress. For someone with little to no visible fat to lose it is the most uncertain tool to use.

You know you’re doing it right when your clothing fits awkwardly in the legs, waist, and upper torso and your coworkers start asking you for “tips”.[/quote]

First of all, I never said that method works for everyone. I was giving a basic easy starting point for designing your own diet.

Did you notice the section of my post that is in bold? That takes care of the “higher fats vs lower carbs” topic. Again, that’s just a BASIC diet outline.

The scale would be a GREAT tool for someone with little to no visible fat to lose. If you’re not getting visibly fatter (which is exponentially easier to accurately tell when lean) and you’re gaining scale weight then that’s a good thing (assuming your goal is a weight increase like the OP’s is)

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[quote]gregron wrote:
The scale would be a GREAT tool for someone with little to no visible fat to lose. If you’re not getting visibly fatter (which is exponentially easier to accurately tell when lean) and you’re gaining scale weight then that’s a good thing (assuming your goal is a weight increase like the OP’s is)[/quote]

The scale will most likely contain a degree of error depending on a person’s weight. The heavier an individual the less reliable the scale is. At 200lbs would you be okay with a 3% degree of uncertainty in either direction?

I use the scale but I don’t weigh myself but once every 3 weeks. I assume it is off by about 5 lbs and I am okay not knowing if I weigh 210 or 220, somewhere in between.

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^^how about buying a better scale? That’s pretty easy.

Why would you just assume your scale is off? Just because your scale evidently sucks doesn’tean the one I’m using or someone else is using sucks.

Really though, what are you even talking about? You’re off on a tangent here that isn’t very relevant to the topic.

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[quote]Brian14 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
If you’re trying to gain weight then you can follow these very easy steps:

  1. Figure out what your maintenance calorie # is.
  2. Add 300-500 calories to that.
  3. Consume 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb of BW.
  4. Account for 20% of your calories from fat.
  5. Fill in the rest of your calories with carbs.

Asses your weight gain after a couple weeks and adjust your cals/macros from there. If gains are too slow for you then bump up calories, of they’re too fast/you’re putting on too much fat then scale it back slightly.[/quote]

This! [/quote]

x2

[/quote]

x3

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
The scale would be a GREAT tool for someone with little to no visible fat to lose. If you’re not getting visibly fatter (which is exponentially easier to accurately tell when lean) and you’re gaining scale weight then that’s a good thing (assuming your goal is a weight increase like the OP’s is)[/quote]

The scale will most likely contain a degree of error depending on a person’s weight. The heavier an individual the less reliable the scale is. At 200lbs would you be okay with a 3% degree of uncertainty in either direction?

I use the scale but I don’t weigh myself but once every 3 weeks. I assume it is off by about 5 lbs and I am okay not knowing if I weigh 210 or 220, somewhere in between.[/quote]

For those who do not need to keep themselves above/below a certain weight (i.e., do not need to know what they weigh for any reason other than curiosity), the accuracy of a scale is much less important than its precision.

While not ideal, I would be able to live with virtually any degree of bias in either direction, provided the bias is constant. If the goal is simply to know if you are gaining or losing, it is really the only aspect necessary.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^how about buying a better scale? That’s pretty easy.

Why would you just assume your scale is off? Just because your scale evidently sucks doesn’tean the one I’m using or someone else is using sucks.

Really though, what are you even talking about? You’re off on a tangent here that isn’t very relevant to the topic.[/quote]

The scale’s error is easy to calculate. It’s not the scale. It’s biology.