i would like to here more peoples thoughts on these large bulks. because alot of natty pros recomend staying reasonably lean in the of season. also considering after the first 2 years a nattys muscle gains slow dont alot what is the sense in carrying around all the extra fat.
lyles model seems to pretty close with what people achieve.
first year of training - 20-25 pounds of muscle (2pounds a month)
second year of training - 10-12 pounds of muscle (1 pounds a month)
third year of training - 5-6 pounds of muscle (0.5 pounds a month)
fourth plus years of training - 2-3 pounds of muscle (not worth calculating)
no you could give or take a few extra pounds for some genetic freaks. why bother with alot of extra fat when it serves no real benefit.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Here’s the thing everyone seems to neglect. 15% bodyfat on a 190lb frame is MUCH different than 15% on a 230lb frame. AS FOLKS BUILD UP MORE LEAN MASS, 15% BODYFAT MEANS MORE BODYFAT, SO IT’S GENERALLY ADVISABLE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEMSELVES DOWN CLOSER TO 10% (LIKE OFF-SEASON PROS) However, consider the skinny fat newb start at 15%. That is significantly less bodyfat on his frame and he should absolutely be thinking about eating a caloric surplus and adding some size to his frame. [/quote]
I’ve said this many times before. Someone weighing 260lbs at 15% is going to look really fucking impressive. I am not sure everyone understands this.[/quote]
you are literally saying the exact opposite of what jskrabac is saying. he is saying 260lbs @ 15% is a lot more bodyfat than 190lbs @ 15% and that at 260 @ 15% should cut fat/be concerned about their amount of BF.
if you’re ~16% bf and even slightly unhappy with your current look, you better be a beginner or in the midst of some serious performance/strength gains
You guys all sound like your making sense, and I understand that it’s pretty subjective and depends on ones genetics, plus trial and error but this is exactly why I skip these sort of threads, not sure why I clicked on this one lol. It just gets me more confused on what to do to in order to bulk “successfully”.
Either way, come the 6 month progress check up from Chris’s thread next year I hope I’m up to 190 with a decent body fat. I’ve basically been following X’s advice and just eating A LOT and working out hard in the gym, I’ll never know until I try and I’m happy with the way I look without my shirt on, I’m most likely around 15%-16% now and I’m 182 at a height of 5’7", not too shabby I think. 40lbs+ and counting since I started working out, going to try and make it 50 by next year!
I’ll know for sure my body fat % come Tuesday, I’ll be doing a body composition lab in class.
[quote]jldume wrote:
Either way, come the 6 month progress check up from Chris’s thread next year I hope I’m up to 190 with a decent body fat. I’ve basically been following X’s advice and just eating A LOT and working out hard in the gym, I’ll never know until I try and I’m happy with the way I look without my shirt on, I’m most likely around 15%-16% now and I’m 182 at a height of 5’7", not too shabby I think.[/quote]
Sorry, but your genetic potential says you can only weigh 170. You must be lying.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Here’s the thing everyone seems to neglect. 15% bodyfat on a 190lb frame is MUCH different than 15% on a 230lb frame. AS FOLKS BUILD UP MORE LEAN MASS, 15% BODYFAT MEANS MORE BODYFAT, SO IT’S GENERALLY ADVISABLE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEMSELVES DOWN CLOSER TO 10% (LIKE OFF-SEASON PROS) However, consider the skinny fat newb start at 15%. That is significantly less bodyfat on his frame and he should absolutely be thinking about eating a caloric surplus and adding some size to his frame. [/quote]
I’ve said this many times before. Someone weighing 260lbs at 15% is going to look really fucking impressive. I am not sure everyone understands this.[/quote]
you are literally saying the exact opposite of what jskrabac is saying. he is saying 260lbs @ 15% is a lot more bodyfat than 190lbs @ 15% and that at 260 @ 15% should cut fat/be concerned about their amount of BF.[/quote]
Maybe he only read my first statement and drew his own conclusion? Idk. I was gonna reply but thought…nah. Thanks for stepping in.
I personally over bulked. In one bulk I went from 175-220 in 3 months. It was fun bulking, but I did not like being fat at the end. Although, as I would not have thought, I do believe I was getting more attention from the ladies. heh
I would never want to go that far again because it is exhausting to come back from, but the strength and muscle gains were awesome.
3 things I would do next time.
1-Have my first meal of the day be a carb free meal. I have read a study showing that your first meal helps determine what your body is more apt to burn through the rest of the day.
2-Take a fasted morning walk.
3-Only start a bulk when I am super lean looking. Then I would only bulk until I started to see definition diminish.
@ Jayk Well most readers here are not 18 anymore. It is nice that you enjoyed it. How much did you keep?
Attracting 17 years old girls might get me in trrrrouble.
[quote]jldume wrote:
You guys all sound like your making sense, and I understand that it’s pretty subjective and depends on ones genetics, plus trial and error but this is exactly why I skip these sort of threads, not sure why I clicked on this one lol. It just gets me more confused on what to do to in order to bulk “successfully”.
Either way, come the 6 month progress check up from Chris’s thread next year I hope I’m up to 190 with a decent body fat. I’ve basically been following X’s advice and just eating A LOT and working out hard in the gym, I’ll never know until I try and I’m happy with the way I look without my shirt on, I’m most likely around 15%-16% now and I’m 182 at a height of 5’7", not too shabby I think. 40lbs+ and counting since I started working out, going to try and make it 50 by next year!
I’ll know for sure my body fat % come Tuesday, I’ll be doing a body composition lab in class.[/quote]
This is what I was getting at. If being 16% really makes you look bad with your shirt off, you may not be carrying enough muscle. I can understand people wanting to be leaner for whatever reason…but acting like a number itself should be avoided is a little too subjective. Everyone doesn’t look the same at the same body fat percentage.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Here’s the thing everyone seems to neglect. 15% bodyfat on a 190lb frame is MUCH different than 15% on a 230lb frame. AS FOLKS BUILD UP MORE LEAN MASS, 15% BODYFAT MEANS MORE BODYFAT, SO IT’S GENERALLY ADVISABLE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEMSELVES DOWN CLOSER TO 10% (LIKE OFF-SEASON PROS) However, consider the skinny fat newb start at 15%. That is significantly less bodyfat on his frame and he should absolutely be thinking about eating a caloric surplus and adding some size to his frame. [/quote]
I’ve said this many times before. Someone weighing 260lbs at 15% is going to look really fucking impressive. I am not sure everyone understands this.[/quote]
you are literally saying the exact opposite of what jskrabac is saying. he is saying 260lbs @ 15% is a lot more bodyfat than 190lbs @ 15% and that at 260 @ 15% should cut fat/be concerned about their amount of BF.[/quote]
Thank you for correcting me. It gives me another chance to say that the more muscle someone is carrying, the more impressive they look at higher body fat percentages.
[quote]Jayk wrote:
I personally over bulked. In one bulk I went from 175-220 in 3 months. It was fun bulking, but I did not like being fat at the end. Although, as I would not have thought, I do believe I was getting more attention from the ladies. heh
I would never want to go that far again because it is exhausting to come back from, but the strength and muscle gains were awesome.
3 things I would do next time.
1-Have my first meal of the day be a carb free meal. I have read a study showing that your first meal helps determine what your body is more apt to burn through the rest of the day.
2-Take a fasted morning walk.
3-Only start a bulk when I am super lean looking. Then I would only bulk until I started to see definition diminish.[/quote]
You tried to gain close to 50lbs in 3 months? Unless you were trading injections with a few Olympians, that is NOT what people are talking about when referring to bulking up.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Here’s the thing everyone seems to neglect. 15% bodyfat on a 190lb frame is MUCH different than 15% on a 230lb frame. AS FOLKS BUILD UP MORE LEAN MASS, 15% BODYFAT MEANS MORE BODYFAT, SO IT’S GENERALLY ADVISABLE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEMSELVES DOWN CLOSER TO 10% (LIKE OFF-SEASON PROS) However, consider the skinny fat newb start at 15%. That is significantly less bodyfat on his frame and he should absolutely be thinking about eating a caloric surplus and adding some size to his frame. [/quote]
I’ve said this many times before. Someone weighing 260lbs at 15% is going to look really fucking impressive. I am not sure everyone understands this.[/quote]
you are literally saying the exact opposite of what jskrabac is saying. he is saying 260lbs @ 15% is a lot more bodyfat than 190lbs @ 15% and that at 260 @ 15% should cut fat/be concerned about their amount of BF.[/quote]
Thank you for correcting me. It gives me another chance to say that the more muscle someone is carrying, the more impressive they look at higher body fat percentages.[/quote]
lol
I believe what you’re trying to say is: “the more muscle you have the more fat you can get away with carrying without looking as bad.”
Carrying more muscle allows you to look less bad at higher percentages of BF… But it doest make someone look impressive, it just makes them look less bad than someone smaller at the same percentage.
I believe what you’re trying to say is: “the more muscle you have the more fat you can get away with carrying without looking as bad.”
Carrying more muscle allows you to look less bad at higher percentages of BF… But it doest make someone look impressive, it just makes them look less bad than someone smaller at the same percentage.[/quote]
This is getting really funny…what with you following me around to “correct” me at every turn.
To correct you, it is THE REALLY BIG MUSCLES that make them look impressive. That is the point. It is great to be really lean…but I am sure many people would like the big muscles with it as well…and not everyone is shooting for “the exact body fat” you may be.
I believe what you’re trying to say is: “the more muscle you have the more fat you can get away with carrying without looking as bad.”
Carrying more muscle allows you to look less bad at higher percentages of BF… But it doest make someone look impressive, it just makes them look less bad than someone smaller at the same percentage.[/quote]
This is getting really funny…what with you following me around to “correct” me at every turn.
To correct you, it is THE REALLY BIG MUSCLES that make them look impressive. That is the point. It is great to be really lean…but I am sure many people would like the big muscles with it as well…and not everyone is shooting for “the exact body fat” you may be.[/quote]
If you didn’t spout off such asinine statements all the time then maybe you wouldn’t need correcting.
High BF w/ small sized muscles = looks awful, Biggest Loser style
High BF w/ normal sized muscles = look like crap but better than above and is fat
High BF w/ “REALLY BIG MUSCLES” = look less crappy but still fat
How is my comment “asinine”? That words means “extremely foolish”…what about my comment was “extremely foolish”? I like how I look right now. I am not sure why anyone would be trying to please anyone else but themselves unless getting on stage soon.
fo sho. With my tiny waist/bone structure I look fucking terrible unless I’m lean. Pot bellied would describe it. Guys with a bigger structure could get away with being a bit heavier, but it’s all pretty subjective.
Also, do people really know what bodyfat percentage they are? I sure don’t…
fo sho. With my tiny waist/bone structure I look fucking terrible unless I’m lean. Pot bellied would describe it. Guys with a bigger structure could get away with being a bit heavier, but it’s all pretty subjective.
Also, do people really know what bodyfat percentage they are? I sure don’t…[/quote]
Most don’t because unless an autopsy is performed, there is no other way to be 100% precise.
fo sho. With my tiny waist/bone structure I look fucking terrible unless I’m lean. Pot bellied would describe it. Guys with a bigger structure could get away with being a bit heavier, but it’s all pretty subjective.
Also, do people really know what bodyfat percentage they are? I sure don’t…[/quote]
Most don’t because unless an autopsy is performed, there is no other way to be 100% precise.[/quote]