Buddist Honor Killings in Canada

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:

Becaaauusssse suicide bombers are predominantly the domain of people occupied by a foreign power that cannot be dealt with with conventional means. [/quote]

So it was the Lenape Indians who flew planes into building on Manhattan on 9/11/2001 trying to reclaim their island?

But seriously, I am fascinated by you like a car wreck.

How do you have money to lift and eat properly?

You’re clearly disabled. Does retard disability pay that well in in Ohio or wherever you actually live?

Or do you live in your parents’ basement and just eat their food?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Can you give any insight into any cultural/tribal aspects to honour killings and other violence in parts of the Muslim world?[/quote]

I served in Iraq, have worked for various oil companies all over the middle east, and now run my own rigs in certain ME countries.

They are friendly to me, because I am a big guy, petroleum engineer, and they need my company’s services.

I’ve personally seen a secretary (a foreign woman) beaten basically because she could be beaten and they knew there was no repurcussion.* Women are absolute dirt in the culture, and rape, in particular, a means of subjucation of foreigners.

  • I did not intervene because I knew I would have been shot on the spot.

What this nut did in the first post is not an isolated event, but an accepted cultural practice.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Can you give any insight into any cultural/tribal aspects to honour killings and other violence in parts of the Muslim world?[/quote]

I served in Iraq, have worked for various oil companies all over the middle east, and now run my own rigs in certain ME countries.

They are friendly to me, because I am a big guy, petroleum engineer, and they need my company’s services.

I’ve personally seen a secretary (a foreign woman) beaten basically because she could be beaten and they knew there was no repurcussion.* Women are absolute dirt in the culture, and rape, in particular, a means of subjucation of foreigners.

  • I did not intervene because I knew I would have been shot on the spot.

What this nut did in the first post is not an isolated event, but an accepted cultural practice.[/quote]

Unreal…just horrible.

But there are many on this board (with no firsthand knowledge like yourself) who will claim to their last breath “ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION…IT’S THE FAULT OF THE WEST ANYWAY!!..blah blah blah”

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Becaaauusssse suicide bombers are predominantly the domain of people occupied by a foreign power that cannot be dealt with with conventional means. [/quote]

So it was the Lenape Indians who flew planes into building on Manhattan on 9/11/2001 trying to reclaim their island?

But seriously, I am fascinated by you like a car wreck.

How do you have money to lift and eat properly?

You’re clearly disabled. Does retard disability pay that well in in Ohio or wherever you actually live?

Or do you live in your parents’ basement and just eat their food?[/quote]

But there was a pretty comprehensive study who uses suicide bombings and why and I suppose you have read it and can provide scholarly arguments why this is wrong.

Also, the ad hominems are reaching a level here that us truly frightening in their banality, you syphilitic shit-eating sap.

There, an alliteration.

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No scholarly arguments?

<— Shocked, surprised and hurt that someone would turn to mindless insults because he runs out of arguments.

Wait, running out requires at least one.

<— Slightly puzzled that someone would venture into PWI without an argument. I thought that there where websites where one could discuss feelings and such?

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US soldier admits Iraq girl rape

A US Army soldier has pleaded guilty to raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and helping murder her and her family.

Abu Ghraib abuse photos ‘show rape’
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.

The Mahmudiyah killings and gang-rape of a 14-year-old girl by U.S. troops occurred on March 12, 2006, in a house to the southwest of Yusufiyah, a village to the west of the town of Al-Mahmudiyah, Iraq.

This shows who are the real killers.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
[/quote]

If you truly believe that you really are a scum bag and a disgrace to humanity.

Given that suicide bombers essentially INTENTIONALLY target innocent civillians in “soft” targets.[/quote]

Sure.

Those people ultimately decide whether the war goes on or not and they are easy targets.

Also, usually the people these attacks are aimed at are killing much more civilians UNINTENIONALLY than are intentionally by suicide bombings.

So, it is cheap, it makes sense and it works.

Plus, it is also quite cheap as far as the costs of lives are concerned, so whats your problem?

Oh, I know, as long as you dont really mean to kill someone, you just happen to inevitably you are not a scumbag, you are morally superior.

Well good luck with that, this is probably not going to fly with those whose relatives have been killed completely unintentionally as a result of your actions.

In case you did not notice, I just called you a bullshitter and a hypocrite.[/quote]

Somewhere in that diatribe of admitting how much of a lowlife and scumbag you are, you somehow missed out the actual facts.

That suicide bombings far more target affect the so-called “occupied people” than the so-called “occupiers”.

The number of US/NATO/Coalition military forces killed in suicide attempts pale by far compared to the number of innocent Iraqis/Afghans killed by these scum. Yup, suicide bomb people queueing up for a job in the Police, or shopping in the market, really hurts the U.S. Army.

That suicide bombings only inflict far more misery on the so-called “occupied people” in the long run, rather than any lasting damage against the “targets”?

Hamas does a suicide bombing in Israel, in response, Israel introduces the Checkpoint system. Islamist nutcases do a suicide bombing in Russia, in response, Putin levels Grozny.

All these scumbags are doing is intentionally provoking a more powerful foe, inviting a brutal response so they can get more recruits to join their “holy war”.

That you, an equally odious scumbag support such tactics says a lot about your character, or lack thereof.

Have I called you a moron yet? Moron.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:
This shows who are the real killers.[/quote]

Yes, yes, it does.

You have, on one hand some isolated instances of USA soldiers acting criminally out of the millions of USA soldiers, all of whom are punished severely and put in prison.

On the other hand, you have cultures where honor killings are justified and result in (at most) a slap on the wrist, rape is a means of furthering religion and subjugating dhimini, and suicide bombers are celebrated as heros and martyrs.

So, yes, your examples of the USA punishing soldiers who break the law does, in fact, show who the “real killers” are.

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
[/quote]

If you truly believe that you really are a scum bag and a disgrace to humanity.

Given that suicide bombers essentially INTENTIONALLY target innocent civillians in “soft” targets.[/quote]

Sure.

Those people ultimately decide whether the war goes on or not and they are easy targets.

Also, usually the people these attacks are aimed at are killing much more civilians UNINTENIONALLY than are intentionally by suicide bombings.

So, it is cheap, it makes sense and it works.

Plus, it is also quite cheap as far as the costs of lives are concerned, so whats your problem?

Oh, I know, as long as you dont really mean to kill someone, you just happen to inevitably you are not a scumbag, you are morally superior.

Well good luck with that, this is probably not going to fly with those whose relatives have been killed completely unintentionally as a result of your actions.

In case you did not notice, I just called you a bullshitter and a hypocrite.[/quote]

Somewhere in that diatribe of admitting how much of a lowlife and scumbag you are, you somehow missed out the actual facts.

That suicide bombings far more target affect the so-called “occupied people” than the so-called “occupiers”.

The number of US/NATO/Coalition military forces killed in suicide attempts pale by far compared to the number of innocent Iraqis/Afghans killed by these scum. Yup, suicide bomb people queueing up for a job in the Police, or shopping in the market, really hurts the U.S. Army.

That suicide bombings only inflict far more misery on the so-called “occupied people” in the long run, rather than any lasting damage against the “targets”?

Hamas does a suicide bombing in Israel, in response, Israel introduces the Checkpoint system. Islamist nutcases do a suicide bombing in Russia, in response, Putin levels Grozny.

All these scumbags are doing is intentionally provoking a more powerful foe, inviting a brutal response so they can get more recruits to join their “holy war”.

That you, an equally odious scumbag support such tactics says a lot about your character, or lack thereof.

Have I called you a moron yet? Moron.[/quote]

People who line up to become police are collaborators, I would not call them innocent bystanders.

Also, it might be that suicide bombings make the life of teh civilian population harder, but who is manning those checkpoints?

Thats right, Israeli soldiers.

So we have a disgruntled population already and daily humiliation by Israeli soldiers, that is an a-grade recruiting tool AND and this is even better, whenever one of the young bucks in uniform does someone terrifyingly stupid, which is practically guaranteed to happen every now and then, you get outrage in Israel too.

And all of this you get for the price of one of your men and probably not the smartest ones either.

If you fail to see that, you have no business calling anyone a moron.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:
This shows who are the real killers.[/quote]

Yes, yes, it does.

You have, on one hand some isolated instances of USA soldiers acting criminally out of the millions of USA soldiers, all of whom that are caught, which will inevitably be a rather small percentage, are punished severely and put in prison.

The ones destroying the sewers and water plants and enforcing embargos will get some shiny medals though
[/quote]

Fixed

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"When people decry civilian deaths caused by the U.S. government, they’re aiding propaganda efforts. In sharp contrast, when civilian deaths are caused by bombers who hate America, the perpetrators are evil and those deaths are tragedies.

When they put bombs in cars and kill people, they’re uncivilized killers. When we put bombs on missiles and kill people, we’re upholding civilized values. When they kill, they’re terrorists. When we kill, we’re striking against terror."

http://www.fair.org/media-beat/980827.html

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

When they put bombs in cars and kill people, they’re uncivilized killers. When we put bombs on missiles and kill people, we’re upholding civilized values. When they kill, they’re terrorists. When we kill, we’re striking against terror."

[/quote]

I see what you’re saying. The killing of civilians with suicide bombings is no different ethically than attempting to prevent those suicide bombings by targeted killing of the people carrying out those suicide bombings. Why do you believe that? Interested in what YOU think, not another cut & paste + link.

Also, can you tell me what you believe ‘civilised values’ are? And what do you think of the value system of a Pashtun Islamist who runs a school for child suicide bombers for instance? Why should we not be killing this Pashtun?

I realise you may feel Western civilians should be massacred as punishment for US/UK involvement in one of half a dozen coups in Iran in the early 1950’s, but isn’t it a natural reaction to strike against the commanders who send suicide attackers onto US soil to carry out suicide attacks? I’m having trouble understanding your ethical system. Help me out. Is this an Islamic ethical system that’s hard to understand because of a ‘mistranslation’ or something?

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[quote]orion wrote:

People who line up to become police are collaborators, I would not call them innocent bystanders. [/quote]

Bit rich coming from an Austrian. Guess they should have shot the lot of you “collaborators” when they won back in 1945 right.

Also, I noticed you skipped entirely over the bombing of markets in Iraq. Oh wait, were those “collaborators” too?

Legitimate tactic, ladies and gentlemen. Just killing collaborating scum, nothing to see here.

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, it might be that suicide bombings make the life of teh civilian population harder, but who is manning those checkpoints?

Thats right, Israeli soldiers.

So we have a disgruntled population already and daily humiliation by Israeli soldiers, that is an a-grade recruiting tool AND and this is even better, whenever one of the young bucks in uniform does someone terrifyingly stupid, which is practically guaranteed to happen every now and then, you get outrage in Israel too.

And all of this you get for the price of one of your men and probably not the smartest ones either.

If you fail to see that, you have no business calling anyone a moron. [/quote]

What rubbish.

Suicide bombings have never won any wars, from the Pacific in 1945 (although the Japanese at least had the decency to hit only military targets) to New York in 2001.

All they have done is provoke conflict, or if the conflict already exists, invite a heavy-handed response as an outraged population (rightly) insists on retaliation.

Which is exactly what the Islamists want.

The Yankees have never figured out how to deal with the situation, talking rubbish about “nation building” and “democracy”. The only one so far who understands this new business is Putin. The Russians understand that this is a savage war, and the way to win is not to make friends with the enemy but to repay violence with 100x the violence for as long as it takes.

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By the way, does anyone who has any intelligence actually believe in the “winning hearts and minds” BS spouted by the US Administrations (both Bush’s and Obama’s).

The US supported Pakistan with billions in foreign aid, as well as military equipment and training. For more than 5 decades. Otherwise, Pakistan would have no doubt been a part of greater India during one of the numerous Indo-Pakistani wars (most of which Pakistan lost were losing badly until they went crying to Uncle Sam for help).

All those tens of billions, repaid by sheltering and protecting notorious terrorists leaders, training and equipping terrorist militants to kill Americans. The irony of it is, most of it was probably most of it done with US Aid money too, considering Pakistan is a failed, bankrupt state. The 1 time the US relied on Pakistan in 50 years, that’s the way it was repaid.

There’s your winning hearts and minds.

Those billions would have been better served buying bombs and then proceeding to have B-52s carpet bomb every inch of Pakistan - so far as the average American is concerned.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

When they put bombs in cars and kill people, they’re uncivilized killers. When we put bombs on missiles and kill people, we’re upholding civilized values. When they kill, they’re terrorists. When we kill, we’re striking against terror."

[/quote]

I see what you’re saying. The killing of civilians with suicide bombings is no different ethically than attempting to prevent those suicide bombings by targeted killing of the people carrying out those suicide bombings. Why do you believe that? Interested in what YOU think, not another cut & paste + link.

Also, can you tell me what you believe ‘civilised values’ are? And what do you think of the value system of a Pashtun Islamist who runs a school for child suicide bombers for instance? Why should we not be killing this Pashtun?

I realise you may feel Western civilians should be massacred as punishment for US/UK involvement in one of half a dozen coups in Iran in the early 1950’s, but isn’t it a natural reaction to strike against the commanders who send suicide attackers onto US soil to carry out suicide attacks? I’m having trouble understanding your ethical system. Help me out. Is this an Islamic ethical system that’s hard to understand because of a ‘mistranslation’ or something?[/quote]

It is well known that US missile srtike and drone attack are not targeted killing and that they kill many civilians. That’s why they are no different. Also I think training child to be suicide bomber is a crime that should be severely punish. Suicide bombers should never target civilians, targeting civilian is a war crime. Finally, civilians should not be massacre or punish for their country involvement in war, coups or anything.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

It is well known that US missile srtike and drone attack are not targeted killing

[/quote]

Actually no, that is not widely known. In fact, drone strikes are precision strikes targeting high ranking commanders of al-Qaeda and the Taliban/neo-Taliban.

Actually no. The only civilians they kill are the family members of the commanders targeted. That’s why US doesn’t conduct drone strikes in cities - only in the NWFP/FATAs/Pakistani Balucistan/tribal areas in the south of Yemen, Somalia, Iraq etc. These are precision targeted strikes on people who plan, train and carry out suicide attacks and they are designed to limit civilian casualties. The cost of a single hellfire missile is half a million dollars; add to that the cost of the drone aircraft, controllers etc. Taxpayer money spent on limiting causualties amongst the tribes that hurl suicide bombers at us.

See above for why it is different. So different that the two don’t bear comparison in any way.

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

People who line up to become police are collaborators, I would not call them innocent bystanders. [/quote]

Bit rich coming from an Austrian. Guess they should have shot the lot of you “collaborators” when they won back in 1945 right.

Also, I noticed you skipped entirely over the bombing of markets in Iraq. Oh wait, were those “collaborators” too?

Legitimate tactic, ladies and gentlemen. Just killing collaborating scum, nothing to see here.

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, it might be that suicide bombings make the life of teh civilian population harder, but who is manning those checkpoints?

Thats right, Israeli soldiers.

So we have a disgruntled population already and daily humiliation by Israeli soldiers, that is an a-grade recruiting tool AND and this is even better, whenever one of the young bucks in uniform does someone terrifyingly stupid, which is practically guaranteed to happen every now and then, you get outrage in Israel too.

And all of this you get for the price of one of your men and probably not the smartest ones either.

If you fail to see that, you have no business calling anyone a moron. [/quote]

What rubbish.

Suicide bombings have never won any wars, from the Pacific in 1945 (although the Japanese at least had the decency to hit only military targets) to New York in 2001.

All they have done is provoke conflict, or if the conflict already exists, invite a heavy-handed response as an outraged population (rightly) insists on retaliation.

Which is exactly what the Islamists want.

The Yankees have never figured out how to deal with the situation, talking rubbish about “nation building” and “democracy”. The only one so far who understands this new business is Putin. The Russians understand that this is a savage war, and the way to win is not to make friends with the enemy but to repay violence with 100x the violence for as long as it takes.[/quote]

To point one, they did.

Nazi collaborators were killed in all occupied countries, German minorities were driven out and quite a few Nazi boobas were killed right after 45 in Austria, while the police and the allied forces looked the other way.

Then, people who use suicide bombers as a tactic practically always win. In Japan they did not, but they kind of did it wrong.

Also, 9-11 was specifically done to draw the US into a conflict that would bleed it dry, just like the SU in Afghanistan and it was a smashing success.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Nazi collaborators were killed in all occupied countries, German minorities were driven out and quite a few Nazi boobas were killed right after 45 in Austria, while the police and the allied forces looked the other way.

[/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:
…while the police and the allied forces looked the other way.
[/quote]

Pics or it didn’t happen.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Nazi collaborators were killed in all occupied countries, German minorities were driven out and quite a few Nazi boobas were killed right after 45 in Austria, while the police and the allied forces looked the other way.

[/quote][/quote]

Well, if anyone would have cared for them they would still be alive, but then I suspect quite a few Iraqi Gitmo interrogators do not have a smashing life expectancy either once the American troops are gone.

Anyhow, I responded to his post and his indignation that the police was targeted.

You collaborate with the occupier, you die.

You enforce their rules, you die.

You sleep with them and at the very least your head is shaven and you are paraded through the streets, with the occasional rape thrown in there.

This is neither rocket science or new.