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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
…while the police and the allied forces looked the other way.
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Pics or it didn’t happen.
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http://www.profil.at/articles/0921/560/242688/die-nazi-moerder-wie-juden-ns-verbrecher

Well there is a link, in German about two Jewish groups who cleaned house in Austria, they kidnapped them, held a mock trial and killed them. When their relatives turned to the Allies, the “Investigations” all kind of fizzled.

They probably knew better than turning to the Austrian police.

Pics are hard to come by, because those people kind of poofed out of existence.

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There, in English, if you want to know more google “Operation Nakam”:

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/news_focus/Operation-Nakam__-true-story-behind-Tarantino_s-hit--_55883.html

Also, this was not the only group, just one of the more organized ones.

One of the key figures in ex-Gestapo cop killing was an Austrian who was very well respected by the underworld and the police because he was such an elegant and sophisticated thief. He organized quite a lot of killings at least in 45, until the police indicated that they could no longer look the other way.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Nazi collaborators[/quote]

Read again what you wrote and stop making strawman arguments.

This in no way correlates with Policemen.

[quote]orion wrote:

Then, people who use suicide bombers as a tactic practically always win. In Japan they did not, but they kind of did it wrong.
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Except, when they don’t.

They’ve never “won” a conflict in history.

They didn’t even “win” in Iraq.

Must be quite hard to take for someone like you eh. Pity that.

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Nazi collaborators[/quote]

Read again what you wrote and stop making strawman arguments.

This in no way correlates with Policemen.

[quote]orion wrote:

Then, people who use suicide bombers as a tactic practically always win. In Japan they did not, but they kind of did it wrong.
[/quote]

Except, when they don’t.

They’ve never “won” a conflict in history.

They didn’t even “win” in Iraq.

Must be quite hard to take for someone like you eh. Pity that.[/quote]

Um, lots of these policemen were Nazi collaborators.

Maybe you want to read up on your history, I am suggesting googling the “Milice” (I hope that is right), the Gestapo, the Vichy regime in general and what the Dutch thought about their collaboration policemen.

Also, they always win.

They just want their occupiers to go home.

Eventually they do.

Success!

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it is.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Um, lots of these policemen were Nazi collaborators.

Maybe you want to read up on your history, I am suggesting googling the “Milice” (I hope that is right), the Gestapo, the Vichy regime in general and what the Dutch thought about their collaboration policemen. [/quote]

Milice
Gestapo
Vichy regime

None of these were policemen.

Stop it with the strawman arguments, we can all see you’ve run out of ideas.

None of these correlate to anything the IPS currently are.

If you care to refute that, post sources dated post-2008. That is, if you can even find any.

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, they always win.
[/quote]

Also, they never win.

[quote]orion wrote:
They just want their occupiers to go home.

Eventually they do.

Success![/quote]

Oh wait, they also want their ideal version of ideology/theology imposed.

They never do.

Success! Not.

You definitely have a tenuous grasp on reality. The Japanese definitely won WWII, right? After all, the Japanese Imperial family are still on the throne and the US have (mostly) left Japan.

LOL.

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Um, lots of these policemen were Nazi collaborators.

Maybe you want to read up on your history, I am suggesting googling the “Milice” (I hope that is right), the Gestapo, the Vichy regime in general and what the Dutch thought about their collaboration policemen. [/quote]

Milice
Gestapo
Vichy regime

None of these were policemen.

Stop it with the strawman arguments, we can all see you’ve run out of ideas.

None of these correlate to anything the IPS currently are.

If you care to refute that, post sources dated post-2008. That is, if you can even find any.

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, they always win.
[/quote]

Also, they never win.

[quote]orion wrote:
They just want their occupiers to go home.

Eventually they do.

Success![/quote]

Oh wait, they also want their ideal version of ideology/theology imposed.

They never do.

Success! Not.

You definitely have a tenuous grasp on reality. The Japanese definitely won WWII, right? After all, the Japanese Imperial family are still on the throne and the US have (mostly) left Japan.

LOL.[/quote]

Are you retarted?

And that is a serious question, because you could not even google Milice or the translation of GeStaPO before going full retard on me?

FYI, Gestapo means Geheime Staats Polizei, Secret State Police.

Then, whether can actually establish a Caliphate remains to be seen, my guess is not.

What they can and will do is get the Americans the fuck out, simply by ruining them. They are halfway there already.

Until they achieve that quite a large portion of the population can and will look the other way, afterwards they will probably unexpectedly drop dead. I am sure there is a word for “useful idiot” in Arabic.

Finally, as I said, the Japanese did it wrong.

And, since Japan as well as Germany are in a much better position than the US in all kinds of ways, I would say that they have won the peace that followed the war they lost.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

It is well known that US missile srtike and drone attack are not targeted killing

[/quote]

Actually no, that is not widely known. In fact, drone strikes are precision strikes targeting high ranking commanders of al-Qaeda and the Taliban/neo-Taliban.

Actually no. The only civilians they kill are the family members of the commanders targeted. That’s why US doesn’t conduct drone strikes in cities - only in the NWFP/FATAs/Pakistani Balucistan/tribal areas in the south of Yemen, Somalia, Iraq etc. These are precision targeted strikes on people who plan, train and carry out suicide attacks and they are designed to limit civilian casualties. The cost of a single hellfire missile is half a million dollars; add to that the cost of the drone aircraft, controllers etc. Taxpayer money spent on limiting causualties amongst the tribes that hurl suicide bombers at us.

See above for why it is different. So different that the two don’t bear comparison in any way.

EDITED[/quote]

US drone strikes in Pakistan claiming many civilian victims, says campaigner

“For every 10 to 15 people killed, maybe they get one militant,” he said. “I don’t go to count how many Taliban are killed. I go to count how many children, women, innocent people, are killed.”

US drone strike ‘kills 40’ in Pakistani tribal region

US Army ‘kill team’ in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians

Pentagon Should Explain Civilian Deaths in Chowkar

http://www.hrw.org/news/2001/10/31/pentagon-should-explain-civilian-deaths-chowkar

What was your point again?

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

US drone strikes in Pakistan claiming many civilian victims, says campaigner

“For every 10 to 15 people killed, maybe they get one militant,” he said. “I don’t go to count how many Taliban are killed. I go to count how many children, women, innocent people, are killed.”

[/quote]

The only “source” is some fucking guy from Waziristan!

Yes, just like I said. This strike was on a tribal meeting in North Waziristan.

12 men on trial for that.

That was more than ten years ago when US first invaded Afghanistan. Also, none of these links relate in any way to the points I was making.

[quote]
What was your point again?[/quote]

Well I said I’m not interested in cut & paste + links. I also said that drone strikes are targeted strikes designed to limit civilian casualties and that they cost enormous amounts of money.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

US drone strikes in Pakistan claiming many civilian victims, says campaigner

“For every 10 to 15 people killed, maybe they get one militant,” he said. “I don’t go to count how many Taliban are killed. I go to count how many children, women, innocent people, are killed.”

[/quote]

The only “source” is some fucking guy from Waziristan!

Yes, just like I said. This strike was on a tribal meeting in North Waziristan.

12 men on trial for that.

That was more than ten years ago when US first invaded Afghanistan. Also, none of these links relate in any way to the points I was making.

[quote]
What was your point again?[/quote]

Well I said I’m not interested in cut & paste + links. I also said that drone strikes are targeted strikes designed to limit civilian casualties and that they cost enormous amounts of money.[/quote]

Sorry, I forgot that every death that happened more than 10 year ago is not relevant. Also I’m happy to learn that you can kill everyone in tribal meeting.

Over 160 children reported among drone deaths
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/08/11/more-than-160-children-killed-in-us-strikes/

US claims of â??no civilian deathsâ?? are untrue
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/07/18/washingtons-untrue-claims-no-civilian-deaths-in-pakistan-drone-strikes/

Pakistani military want veto on drone strikes
As US drone strikes continue to take innocent lives, Pakistan’s military demand veto power over US decisions.

Report slams Pakistan drone attacks
Study shows US drones are not accurate in targeting “terrorists” and more civilians killed than al-Qaeda.

Wake up man, its all over the news everywhere. Drone strike are not targeted killings, they kill many civilians. These cut and paste link are here to prove my point and they do it perfectly.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Are you retarted?

And that is a serious question, because you could not even google Milice or the translation of GeStaPO before going full retard on me?

[/quote]

LOL. I’m not letting you squirm out of this one kid.

Let’s recap the main points instead of you creating more easily-answerable strawman arguments out your ass, since you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension:

  1. You claimed suicide bombing was a legitimate tactic since it targets “occupation forces and collaborators”.

  2. You claim people shopping at an outdoor market are collaborators. When queried you have not responded.

  3. You claim, the Iraqi Police System (IPS) is equivalent to the Gestapo, making them collaborators. A claim that very very few who aren’t on a lunatic fringe would agree with. So far you have not backed up your claim in ANY way possible besides telling us they both have “Police” in their name, or maybe they both wear uniforms and carry guns.

See kid, this is the way the world works.
When you make a fantastic claim, you better have some facts to back it up or else we all get to point at you and laugh.
The way I’m laughing now.

[quote]orion wrote:

Then, whether can actually establish a Caliphate remains to be seen, my guess is not.

What they can and will do is get the Americans the fuck out, simply by ruining them. They are halfway there already.

Until they achieve that quite a large portion of the population can and will look the other way, afterwards they will probably unexpectedly drop dead. I am sure there is a word for “useful idiot” in Arabic.

Finally, as I said, the Japanese did it wrong.

And, since Japan as well as Germany are in a much better position than the US in all kinds of ways, I would say that they have won the peace that followed the war they lost.
[/quote]

LOL.

Whatever you are smoking, it is some pretty strong stuff boy.

So let’s get this straight. Germany and Japan “WON” WWII. Okay.

The Islamists have “won” in Iraq (even though they haven’t) because “America is ruined” (it isn’t) and they “have made the Americans get the fuck out” (even though they haven’t).

What was your college major? BA in Making Ludicrous Claims over the Internet?

Basically in The World According To ORION, the only way the US can “win” in Iraq is by making Iraq the 51st state. Even though the rest of the world have generally accepted the US has already won.

Way to go kid. De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

US drone strikes in Pakistan claiming many civilian victims, says campaigner

“For every 10 to 15 people killed, maybe they get one militant,” he said. “I don’t go to count how many Taliban are killed. I go to count how many children, women, innocent people, are killed.”

[/quote]

The only “source” is some fucking guy from Waziristan!

Yes, just like I said. This strike was on a tribal meeting in North Waziristan.

12 men on trial for that.

That was more than ten years ago when US first invaded Afghanistan. Also, none of these links relate in any way to the points I was making.

Drone strikes ARE precise targeted killings and in terms of limiting civilian deaths by comparison to ANY other feasible method they are preeminent. Additionally, the fault of civilian deaths lies entirely with the terrorists who hide behind them. Stop reading Al Jazeera fella.

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
A claim that very very few who aren’t on a lunatic fringe would agree with.
[/quote]

Perhaps I can shed some light. Orion is at the fringe of the ‘lunatic fringe.’

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[quote]orion wrote:
There, in English, if you want to know more google “Operation Nakam”:

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/news_focus/Operation-Nakam__-true-story-behind-Tarantino_s-hit--_55883.html

Also, this was not the only group, just one of the more organized ones.

One of the key figures in ex-Gestapo cop killing was an Austrian who was very well respected by the underworld and the police because he was such an elegant and sophisticated thief. He organized quite a lot of killings at least in 45, until the police indicated that they could no longer look the other way.
[/quote]

Gestapo were not ‘cops.’ They were a political ‘state police’ organisation that worked inside AND outside the Reich. ‘Orpo’ and ‘Kripo’ were the ‘police’ during the Nazi era and those that collaborated with the Gestapo should’ve been hunted down also. Not interested in any of your links as you would surely be aware.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
There, in English, if you want to know more google “Operation Nakam”:

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/news_focus/Operation-Nakam__-true-story-behind-Tarantino_s-hit--_55883.html

Also, this was not the only group, just one of the more organized ones.

One of the key figures in ex-Gestapo cop killing was an Austrian who was very well respected by the underworld and the police because he was such an elegant and sophisticated thief. He organized quite a lot of killings at least in 45, until the police indicated that they could no longer look the other way.
[/quote]

Gestapo were not ‘cops.’ They were a political ‘state police’ organisation that worked inside AND outside the Reich. ‘Orpo’ and ‘Kripo’ were the ‘police’ during the Nazi era and those that collaborated with the Gestapo should’ve been hunted down also. Not interested in any of your links as you would surely be aware.[/quote]

Majority of the Gestapo killed or assassinated were those involved in rounding up Jews and sending them to concentration camps, or hunting down members of the resistance (usually by using such proactive methods as torture of captives and reprisal killings).

I am quite sure Orion can find some neutral, unbiased sources to show us that this is the official mandate of the IPS under first the US Civil Administration and later the democratically-elected Iraqi Government. I mean, surely he can’t have been talking out of his ass for the last 3 pages right? Riiiiiight?

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[ I mean, surely he can’t have been talking out of his ass for the last 3 pages right? Riiiiiight?[/quote]

Talking out of his arse for the 3 pages LOL, try the last 6 years, never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:

US drone strikes in Pakistan claiming many civilian victims, says campaigner

“For every 10 to 15 people killed, maybe they get one militant,” he said. “I don’t go to count how many Taliban are killed. I go to count how many children, women, innocent people, are killed.”

[/quote]

The only “source” is some fucking guy from Waziristan!

Yes, just like I said. This strike was on a tribal meeting in North Waziristan.

12 men on trial for that.

That was more than ten years ago when US first invaded Afghanistan. Also, none of these links relate in any way to the points I was making.

Drone strikes ARE precise targeted killings and in terms of limiting civilian deaths by comparison to ANY other feasible method they are preeminent. Additionally, the fault of civilian deaths lies entirely with the terrorists who hide behind them. Stop reading Al Jazeera fella.[/quote]

Only people living in a fantasy world think drone strike are precise. As I can see you have no argument to support your claim.

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[quote]joebassin wrote:

Only people living in a fantasy world think drone strike are precise. As I can see you have no argument to support your claim. [/quote]

Only an idiot would assert that the Predator’s “pinpoint accuracy” missile system is not precise. Here’s something to ‘support (my) claim:’

and

Number of civilian deaths in France from US/UK strategic bombing(most between June 44 and Dec 44) - 67,000 +

Number of “civilians” killed in drone strikes in the decade since 9/11: Between 385 and 775. [*]

Additionally, these drone strikes target only high ranking insurgents whereas in WWII the civilian infrastructure of France was carpet bombed. Your entire argument is nonsense. Please fight the temptation to respond to this.

[*] Source is the Bureau of Investigative Journalism August 2011. It is critical of CIA estimates which are considerably lower.

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[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Are you retarted?

And that is a serious question, because you could not even google Milice or the translation of GeStaPO before going full retard on me?

[/quote]

LOL. I’m not letting you squirm out of this one kid.

Let’s recap the main points instead of you creating more easily-answerable strawman arguments out your ass, since you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension:

  1. You claimed suicide bombing was a legitimate tactic since it targets “occupation forces and collaborators”.

  2. You claim people shopping at an outdoor market are collaborators. When queried you have not responded.

  3. You claim, the Iraqi Police System (IPS) is equivalent to the Gestapo, making them collaborators. A claim that very very few who aren’t on a lunatic fringe would agree with. So far you have not backed up your claim in ANY way possible besides telling us they both have “Police” in their name, or maybe they both wear uniforms and carry guns.

See kid, this is the way the world works.
When you make a fantastic claim, you better have some facts to back it up or else we all get to point at you and laugh.
The way I’m laughing now.

[quote]orion wrote:

Then, whether can actually establish a Caliphate remains to be seen, my guess is not.

What they can and will do is get the Americans the fuck out, simply by ruining them. They are halfway there already.

Until they achieve that quite a large portion of the population can and will look the other way, afterwards they will probably unexpectedly drop dead. I am sure there is a word for “useful idiot” in Arabic.

Finally, as I said, the Japanese did it wrong.

And, since Japan as well as Germany are in a much better position than the US in all kinds of ways, I would say that they have won the peace that followed the war they lost.
[/quote]

LOL.

Whatever you are smoking, it is some pretty strong stuff boy.

So let’s get this straight. Germany and Japan “WON” WWII. Okay.

The Islamists have “won” in Iraq (even though they haven’t) because “America is ruined” (it isn’t) and they “have made the Americans get the fuck out” (even though they haven’t).

What was your college major? BA in Making Ludicrous Claims over the Internet?

Basically in The World According To ORION, the only way the US can “win” in Iraq is by making Iraq the 51st state. Even though the rest of the world have generally accepted the US has already won.

Way to go kid. De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.[/quote]

  1. I claimed no such thing and I claimed no such thing.

  2. Did not claim that either.

Want me to break out my crayons?

Maybe I would have to borrow Prof Xs, he has them just for such occasions.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
There, in English, if you want to know more google “Operation Nakam”:

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/news_focus/Operation-Nakam__-true-story-behind-Tarantino_s-hit--_55883.html

Also, this was not the only group, just one of the more organized ones.

One of the key figures in ex-Gestapo cop killing was an Austrian who was very well respected by the underworld and the police because he was such an elegant and sophisticated thief. He organized quite a lot of killings at least in 45, until the police indicated that they could no longer look the other way.
[/quote]

Gestapo were not ‘cops.’ They were a political ‘state police’ organisation that worked inside AND outside the Reich. ‘Orpo’ and ‘Kripo’ were the ‘police’ during the Nazi era and those that collaborated with the Gestapo should’ve been hunted down also. Not interested in any of your links as you would surely be aware.[/quote]

So I guess the FBI is not police either?

Pray tell, what are they then?

Also, “pics or it did not happen” and not wanting links does not go well together, but bonus points for shouting out your firm stance of willful ignorance to the world.

edit: I do understand your distaste for my links though, not only does thinking hurt, having your world view rearranged once a week must take an emotional toll.