[quote]Deorum wrote:
Someone kills for their religion and you use it as evidence of its inherent evil? Is this a mother fucking joke? Are you aware your religion is one bathed in the blood of those who did not believe in your god or resisted its propagation? Seriously I ask, was this thread a fucking joke?[/quote]
TBH, except for the story the OP posted I dun even get what is he trying to present in the first place
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
It is entirely irrelevant what you, I or anyone else thinks, obviously the only thing that matters is what the people think who blow themselves up-
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
It is entirely irrelevant what you, I or anyone else thinks, obviously the only thing that matters is what the people think who blow themselves up-[/quote]
But you said “suicide bombers are” not “suicide bombers THINK they are” so let’s cut the bullshit. You think suicide bombing is a legitimate tactic and that the fault lies with the victims. Or at least you pretend to think such. And amongst others reasons, this is why so many people find your views so objectionable as the other poster said.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
It is entirely irrelevant what you, I or anyone else thinks, obviously the only thing that matters is what the people think who blow themselves up-[/quote]
But you said “suicide bombers are” not “suicide bombers THINK they are” so let’s cut the bullshit. You think suicide bombing is a legitimate tactic and that the fault lies with the victims. Or at least you pretend to think such. And amongst others reasons, this is why so many people find your views so objectionable as the other poster said.[/quote]
I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
There is no objective social reality but I will definitely not add a disclaimer whenever I say something.
Other poster is a doofus I do not care how objectionable he thinks my views are.
Or rather, how objectionable he think what he thinks my views are.
Cannot quiet the voices in other peoples heads, sorry!
Also, I was so going to post a few links to a a rather appalling murder in an orthodox Jewish community, with the same slightly at-the-mouth-frothing insinuations Jewbaccas posts have when it comes to Muslims and now you have all gone and spoiled it for me.
Bastards…
[quote]orion wrote:
all is fair in love and war and so on
[/quote]
Except if Americans or Israelis do it.
No “social reality?” Well that explains everything. No disclaimers needed.
Well, there you have it folks. Straight from the horse’s mouth.
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I was so going to post a few links to a a rather appalling murder in an orthodox Jewish community, with the same slightly at-the-mouth-frothing insinuations Jewbaccas posts have when it comes to Muslims and now you have all gone and spoiled it for me.
Bastards…[/quote]
An act by a lone madman and in no way related to his religion or culture. Also completely unrelated to this thread and a rare and therefore shocking incident. Not a daily event like the “honour killings” committed by the families and communities of the victims and part of Islamic and tribal custom dating back centuries.
[quote]orion wrote:
now you have all gone and spoiled it for me.
Bastards…[/quote]
We try and do our best.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Except if Americans or Israelis do it.
[quote]
110% right SexMachine.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
all is fair in love and war and so on
[/quote]
Except if Americans or Israelis do it.
No “social reality?” Well that explains everything. No disclaimers needed.
Well, there you have it folks. Straight from the horse’s mouth.[/quote]
Ah, but they have a different narrative and those tactics do not go well with it.
No “objective social reality”, thank you.
Was that a secret?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, I was so going to post a few links to a a rather appalling murder in an orthodox Jewish community, with the same slightly at-the-mouth-frothing insinuations Jewbaccas posts have when it comes to Muslims and now you have all gone and spoiled it for me.
Bastards…[/quote]
An act by a lone madman and in no way related to his religion or culture. Also completely unrelated to this thread and a rare and therefore shocking incident. Not a daily event like the “honour killings” committed by the families and communities of the victims and part of Islamic and tribal custom dating back centuries.[/quote]
According to a woman growing up in that community, not that terribly isolated.
Though killing a kid and storing his feet (wtf !?!) in the freezer is kind of rare.
And yeah, its the Huffington post.
Bite me.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
As someone who has lived under Islamic-majority rule for nigh on 20 years, I can say that Islam itself is not “evil” but is certainly dangerous. And stupid.
It breeds a culture of close-mindedness and a mindset of unquestioning subservience to the pronouncements of a privileged few “empowered” individuals. It is those individuals that are frequently evil - to a greater or lesser degree.
And yes, even in the supposedly “progressive” Muslim nations.[/quote]
Can you give any insight into any cultural/tribal aspects to honour killings and other violence in parts of the Muslim world?[/quote]
Yes.
Not going to bore you with a dissertation, but Islam fosters a:
a) Closed mindset (our way/culture/religion is the best, all others are rubbish) and intolerance.
b) Unquestioning subservience to religion (religious fatwas/decrees/The Koran/The Hadith are not to be questioned). If a kaffir questions it, he/she is “disrespectful” and threatened. If a fellow Muslim questions it (incredibly rare as the majority have been brainwashed) then he/she is branded “munafiqe” (a hypocrite/traitor) which results in social osctracization.
c) Hostility against non-Muslims. Not ALWAYS necessarily violent, however, all kaffir are seen as “the Other” and to be opposed in word or deed while Muslims will receive preferential treatment/consideration.
It really is one of the worst religions/cults on the face of the planet at this present moment.
[quote]orion wrote:
I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
[/quote]
If you truly believe that you really are a scum bag and a disgrace to humanity.
Given that suicide bombers essentially INTENTIONALLY target innocent civillians in “soft” targets.
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
[/quote]
If you truly believe that you really are a scum bag and a disgrace to humanity.
Given that suicide bombers essentially INTENTIONALLY target innocent civillians in “soft” targets.[/quote]
Sure.
Those people ultimately decide whether the war goes on or not and they are easy targets.
Also, usually the people these attacks are aimed at are killing much more civilians UNINTENIONALLY than are intentionally by suicide bombings.
So, it is cheap, it makes sense and it works.
Plus, it is also quite cheap as far as the costs of lives are concerned, so whats your problem?
Oh, I know, as long as you dont really mean to kill someone, you just happen to inevitably you are not a scumbag, you are morally superior.
Well good luck with that, this is probably not going to fly with those whose relatives have been killed completely unintentionally as a result of your actions.
In case you did not notice, I just called you a bullshitter and a hypocrite.
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
[/quote]
If you truly believe that you really are a scum bag and a disgrace to humanity.
[/quote]
Yes he is, he has a long family history of being a disgrace to humanity.
[quote]orion wrote:
In case you did not notice, I just called you a bullshitter and a hypocrite.[/quote]
LOL, my my sweetie, there’s that projection again.
Seek help.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I think that suicide bombings are a legitimate tactic, all is fair in love and war and so on and here we are with that whole subjectivity thing again.
[/quote]
If you truly believe that you really are a scum bag and a disgrace to humanity.
[/quote]
Yes he is, he has a long family history of being a disgrace to humanity.[/quote]
Yeah well, if you have a family history that is long enough that is kind of inevitable.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
In case you did not notice, I just called you a bullshitter and a hypocrite.[/quote]
LOL, my my sweetie, there’s that projection again.
Seek help.[/quote]
So, on a scale of 1-10…
Note that I keep the scale between 1-10 when I am asking these question, because that is, like, how many fingers you have.
Presumably.
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
As someone who has lived under Islamic-majority rule for nigh on 20 years, I can say that Islam itself is not “evil” but is certainly dangerous. And stupid.
It breeds a culture of close-mindedness and a mindset of unquestioning subservience to the pronouncements of a privileged few “empowered” individuals. It is those individuals that are frequently evil - to a greater or lesser degree.
And yes, even in the supposedly “progressive” Muslim nations.[/quote]
Can you give any insight into any cultural/tribal aspects to honour killings and other violence in parts of the Muslim world?[/quote]
Yes.
Not going to bore you with a dissertation, but Islam fosters a:
a) Closed mindset (our way/culture/religion is the best, all others are rubbish) and intolerance.
b) Unquestioning subservience to religion (religious fatwas/decrees/The Koran/The Hadith are not to be questioned). If a kaffir questions it, he/she is “disrespectful” and threatened. If a fellow Muslim questions it (incredibly rare as the majority have been brainwashed) then he/she is branded “munafiqe” (a hypocrite/traitor) which results in social osctracization.
c) Hostility against non-Muslims. Not ALWAYS necessarily violent, however, all kaffir are seen as “the Other” and to be opposed in word or deed while Muslims will receive preferential treatment/consideration.
It really is one of the worst religions/cults on the face of the planet at this present moment.[/quote]
I can’t say I disagree with you.