the only good thing bsn has ever made is their Syntha-6 protein blend. Its a lot like low-carb Metabolic Drive but with more carbs, like in between low-carb Metabolic Drive and Metabolic Drive Complete. Its the same shit but one thing i noticed is that it has egg albumin protein in it and Metabolic Drive does not. I personally think its a good product. But i guess now its questionable whether it really has all the ingredients it says it has. Never tried NO-Xplode or Cell Mass. Never will.
I got proof of my purchases. I should be able to pull up online receipts that I have with websites I purchased them from. I wrote an email to the law firm/lawyers involved showing my concern. I hope these fucks get busted.
I know I spent about 120$ on BSN’s shit and never noticed any of the effects that they were said to have hence me never buying them again. I always tell people to stay away from cell mass and NO Xplode because it just doesn’t work.
[quote]BlackFlagDk wrote:
the only good thing bsn has ever made is their Syntha-6 protein blend. Its a lot like low-carb Metabolic Drive but with more carbs, like in between low-carb Metabolic Drive and Metabolic Drive Complete. Its the same shit but one thing i noticed is that it has egg albumin protein in it and Metabolic Drive does not. I personally think its a good product. But i guess now its questionable whether it really has all the ingredients it says it has. Never tried NO-Xplode or Cell Mass. Never will. [/quote]
It tastes good, but as far as the egg albumin goes there is not that much of the product in it. After all, if you take the serving size of 22 grams of protein and divide it by the six sources it equals 3.66 grams of protein form each source. 3.66 grams of egg albumin is like 1/2 of a large egg white. Not that much hugh? Sine they have a proprietary blend and list the egg in the 4th spot it could even have less. Shoot it could go 7g WPC, 6g WPI, 5g CC and 1g each for egg and the other two proteins. Remember Egg cost allot more than a cheep WPC
[quote]daniel_lamon wrote:
Sine they have a proprietary blend and list the egg in the 4th spot it could even have less. Shoot it could go 7g WPC, 6g WPI, 5g CC and 1g each for egg and the other two proteins. Remember Egg cost allot more than a cheep WPC[/quote]
More likely it’s 99% WPC with trace amounts of the other proteins for show.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
Sine they have a proprietary blend and list the egg in the 4th spot it could even have less. Shoot it could go 7g WPC, 6g WPI, 5g CC and 1g each for egg and the other two proteins. Remember Egg cost allot more than a cheep WPC
More likely it’s 99% WPC with trace amounts of the other proteins for show.[/quote]
That is a very true possibility!! It would be cool if the lawyers would test BSN’s other products.
[quote]daniel_lamon wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
Sine they have a proprietary blend and list the egg in the 4th spot it could even have less. Shoot it could go 7g WPC, 6g WPI, 5g CC and 1g each for egg and the other two proteins. Remember Egg cost allot more than a cheep WPC
More likely it’s 99% WPC with trace amounts of the other proteins for show.
That is a very true possibility!! It would be cool if the lawyers would test BSN’s other products.
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It’s practically impossible to test a product and differentiate between the proteins it contains and the percentages of each. At best it would involve a significant amount of guesswork.
The best thing you can do when it comes to issues like this is stick with reputable companies you trust. Lawyers aren’t going to solve all of our problems, especially when they’re more interested in what benefits them most.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
Sine they have a proprietary blend and list the egg in the 4th spot it could even have less. Shoot it could go 7g WPC, 6g WPI, 5g CC and 1g each for egg and the other two proteins. Remember Egg cost allot more than a cheep WPC
More likely it’s 99% WPC with trace amounts of the other proteins for show.
That is a very true possibility!! It would be cool if the lawyers would test BSN’s other products.
It’s practically impossible to test a product and differentiate between the proteins it contains and the percentages of each. At best it would involve a significant amount of guesswork.
The best thing you can do when it comes to issues like this is stick with reputable companies you trust. Lawyers aren’t going to solve all of our problems, especially when they’re more interested in what benefits them most.[/quote]
Every lab can test between egg, whey, soy and so on, it is just expensive. Just look at the lab assays from San Rafael Chemical Services. Many supplement companies use them for quality control. Just hit the link and scroll half way down:
If you have great taste buds and a good sense of smell you can arrive at a decent guess as to how much of each ingredient is in there. Just try a 100% egg protein and you will know that it is egg as there is an off bitter after taste. That is why allot of companies do not sell a 100% egg protein product.
[quote]daniel_lamon wrote:
Every lab can test between egg, whey, soy and so on, it is just expensive. Just look at the lab assays from San Rafael Chemical Services. Many supplement companies use them for quality control.
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Every lab most definitely can not perform this type of testing and I’m highly skeptical that SR can either. At least not to a level of accuracy that would stand up in court.
They “might” be able to tell you whether a product contains a particular type of protein, though.
Besides, didn’t SR just get one of their certifications or something pulled by the FDA?
The MD website just pulled their posts about the BSN lawsuit form their website. That is not very “NO BULL” of them. I am glad T-Nation is not that way!
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
Every lab can test between egg, whey, soy and so on, it is just expensive. Just look at the lab assays from San Rafael Chemical Services. Many supplement companies use them for quality control.
Every lab most definitely can not perform this type of testing and I’m highly skeptical that SR can either. At least not to a level of accuracy that would stand up in court.
They “might” be able to tell you whether a product contains a particular type of protein, though.
Besides, didn’t SR just get one of their certifications or something pulled by the FDA?[/quote]
I emailed them to day and will get back to you with what they say. You can try Covance Laboratories and see what they can do if you are interested.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
Every lab can test between egg, whey, soy and so on, it is just expensive. Just look at the lab assays from San Rafael Chemical Services. Many supplement companies use them for quality control.
Every lab most definitely can not perform this type of testing and I’m highly skeptical that SR can either. At least not to a level of accuracy that would stand up in court.
They “might” be able to tell you whether a product contains a particular type of protein, though.
Besides, didn’t SR just get one of their certifications or something pulled by the FDA?[/quote]
This might help clear up any confusion about SR.
On Friday November 9th 2007, I spoke with Ralph Meibos, the president
of San Rafael Chemical Services in Salt Lake City Utah. San Rafael has
been doing lab analysis for the supplement industry for 17 years.
Basically, the supplement industry uses them for quality control to
make sure that their products meet label claim. Until last week, they
had a DEA license. A company or an individual could send them a sample
of a drug to test to make sure it contained what it was supposed to
contain.
So, you could send them your multi-vitamin to see if there was as much
Vitamin C in the bottle as the lab le claims. You could send them one
of your generic heart pills to make sure it was the same as the brand
pill. And you could even send them an anabolic steroid sample and they
would tell you if it was what you thought it was.
Well, the DEA did not like this and had a problem with San Rafael
performing quality control for steroid manufacturers and underground
labs. And so they were raided. As a result, they had to surrender
their DEA license, so they can no longer work with controlled
substances.
The President, Mr. Meibos, is understandably devastated. As he
explained to me, the raid was not a financial blow to his business,
because the majority of what he tests are dietary supplements, but,
the taking of his customer lists, financial records and essentially
lots of the documentation he uses to run his business has be a severe
emotional blow.
I asked him why he thought he was raided and he offered up several theories:
One is the “low hanging fruit” theory. According to Mr. Meibos, the
DEA has been so ineffective at busting narcotics dealers, that they
are going after the steroid dealer and he was swept up in that. He
even suggested that he believed that the DEA could have thought that
he was running a BALCO style lab instead of a chemical testing
facility.
He also speculated that the Raid could have been provoked by an
unscrupulous underground lab itself. For example, some of the steroids
he tested were what they were supposed to be. Others of the steroids
he tested were not what they were supposed to be and some samples even
contained completely unrelated and dangerous substances. His lab was
shining a light on the really bad underground labs passing off one
substance as a specific anabolic steroid when it was not. Mr. Meibos
speculates that a lab getting a bad quality grade could have
vindictively tipped off the DEA.
In my opinion, San Rafael Chemical Services is an innocent victim that
got swept up on Operation Raw Deal - the largest steroid enforcement
action in U.S. history.
Here is the statement that San Rafael issued.
To whom it may concern,
We apologize for having to inform any who care to know of this
particular occurrence however, because we strive to operate with
honesty, integrity and without discrimination, we have encountered
scenarios in which we have not made friends.
Some one or some organization has informed the DEA that SRCS was
performing illegal anabolic steroid analysis. We have always
maintained and kept current our DEA license for controlled substances
and were under the apparent misapprehension that the analyses we have
been performing were totally legitimate, well within the scope of the
law and a service to the supplement industry.
Whether or not the warrant that was served on SRCS was granted under
false pretenses, we were raided on October 25th, 2007 by agents from
several agencies including DEA, State Commerce Commission, and local
law enforcement who over the course of the day cloned our computer
hard drives, confiscated most all of our retained samples as well as
our analytical and financial records for the previous five or more
years. Any and all documentation and records we had pertaining to
samples received, email and personal financial information, client
lists and standards lists were confiscated and will be reviewed
extensively by whomever the DEA deems worthy.
We voluntarily surrendered our controlled substances license and will
no longer be capable of providing analysis for the aforementioned
substances. Because of the total confiscation of all our
documentation, the production of timely requests of analyses in
progress will be affected negatively. We will do all we can to get
back up to speed and minimize to the best of our ability any
interruptions in service for “non-regulated” substances as soon as we
can. We apologize deeply for any inconvenience and negative impact
this will have.
Sincerely,
San Rafael Chemical Services, Inc.
Well, BSN spends major $ advertising in MD. What are the chances they’ll bite the hand that pays them
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Well, BSN spends major $ advertising in MD. What are the chances they’ll bite the hand that pays them
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Well said!! That looks like a hardcore gym in the background. Could you tell me the name and location of the gym in NY as I am always looking for a good gym when I travel or if you know of one. Thanks
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
This is pretty funny, in my sick opinion.[/quote]
Thats bot funny…its hilarious! I never once bought any BSN supp’s, I had been tempted but could never afford to shell out for their stuff…just as well I didn’t
[quote]daniel_lamon wrote:
Well said!! That looks like a hardcore gym in the background. Could you tell me the name and location of the gym in NY as I am always looking for a good gym when I travel or if you know of one. Thanks
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Well, getting a little off topic…
I train at Platinum Fitness in Queens, right on Queens Blvd in Rego Park (border of forest hills). While we do have our share of younger clueless members, there are still some real serious hardcore guys I train with there, even a few who regularly attend shows. Could always be better, but I’m pretty content there, DB’s up to 150’s, multiple benches, lotta room to squat and do deads.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
Well said!! That looks like a hardcore gym in the background. Could you tell me the name and location of the gym in NY as I am always looking for a good gym when I travel or if you know of one. Thanks
Well, getting a little off topic…
I train at Platinum Fitness in Queens, right on Queens Blvd in Rego Park (border of forest hills). While we do have our share of younger clueless members, there are still some real serious hardcore guys I train with there, even a few who regularly attend shows. Could always be better, but I’m pretty content there, DB’s up to 150’s, multiple benches, lotta room to squat and do deads.
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Thanks for the help! Maby some day I will get to see the Mighty Stu train there.
Cheers
Australian government http://www.tga.gov.au/recalls/2007/vpx.htm
Wow. Lol, i haven’t heard of any recall in Victoria. Apparently it’s like an pesticide or something…
[quote]Uscumla Beograd wrote:
Australian government http://www.tga.gov.au/recalls/2007/vpx.htm
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That is a GREAT find!! Thanks for posting that!!
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Well, BSN spends major $ advertising in MD. What are the chances they’ll bite the hand that pays them
S
[/quote] they do up here in CT as well. for example i was home sick, with a stomach bug, the other day and on channel 61 there had to be over 25 ads for NO explode & Thermonex in the commercial breaks for one episode of Jeopardy… really annoying!