Bruce Lee as an MMA Fighter?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
Kerr is the Brock Lesnar from late 90’s, he showed how pure wrestling technique and muscle could steamroll every bjj practitioner and striker out there.
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Kerr only fought two BJJ practitioners in his mma career, Fabio Gurgel and Enson Inoue. Going by their Sherdog stats, Kerr had 40-50 pounds on them and won by decision. Kerr also trained in BJJ and striking so it wasn’t pure wrestling anyway.

In ADCC he only subbed one guy, Josh Barnett, the rest of his wins were by points, they weren’t all BJJ practitioners and some he outweighed by 70 to 100 pounds (Leo Vieira, Ricardo Almeida). Almeida actually armlocked him, and the arm popped, but Kerr didn’t tap (probably from all of the painkillers he was on).

Kerr is overrated in mma. He didn’t beat anyone of note. Look at his record up until his first loss against Fujita: they were either nobodies and/or he had a huge size advantage. Once he started facing better opponents, like Igor Vovchanchyn (who was a very small HW) and Heath Herring, he lost. Igor and Herring were second tier fighters in Pride as they were below guys like Fedor, Nog and Cro Cop. If Kerr couldn’t beat second tier fighters then just how good was he after all? [/quote]

Well, he beat Mario Sperry on the cards in ADCC. That alone would be enough to consider him the best submission fighter in the world at the time.

Also, when he was in MMA no one was really established. Beating Fabio Gurgel was huge, because of Gurgel’s BJJ chops. His next four wins meant he won two UFC heavyweight tournaments. He beat Hugo Duarte, who was considered a name at the time.(Actually, Kaiser how good was Duarte? I got familiar with him from the Rickson story and the Gracie in Action tapes. You have any insights?) He beat Enson Inoue twice. Once in '98 and once in 2000 at the beginning of the Pride Grand Prix. That gave him two wins over the man who beat Randy Couture, the then UFC champ. This takes us to when his issues with drugs really started to take him apart. Vovchanchin and Herring came after.

Big Nog, Cro-Cop, and the Fedor all hit Pride several years after Kerr was no longer in top form.

You mentioned the Sherdog stats. Perhaps you were not actively watching MMA in the late 90’s to 2000 period?

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:
I have forgotten more about boxing, than you will ever know. [/quote]

THIS EXPLAINS IT! You used to know a shit ton about boxing, but then you forgot.

That was kidding around in case you don’t see the humor.

Now seriously, LondonBoxer and I are talking about an alternate situation where Foreman would have developed his jab and straightened out his punches when he was still in his prime. Ali’s rhythm and control of distance were absolutely masterful in Zaire, but catching stiff jabs seems to break rhythm and distance.

I do think it is completely rational that a tall fighter with Foreman’s power and the jab he showed in his 40’s would have given Ali more than he could handle. I think Ali’s fights with Ken Norton gives me good reason to think so. Have you seen those? Ali did not look his best.

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Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
Kerr is the Brock Lesnar from late 90’s, he showed how pure wrestling technique and muscle could steamroll every bjj practitioner and striker out there.
[/quote]

Kerr only fought two BJJ practitioners in his mma career, Fabio Gurgel and Enson Inoue. Going by their Sherdog stats, Kerr had 40-50 pounds on them and won by decision. Kerr also trained in BJJ and striking so it wasn’t pure wrestling anyway.

In ADCC he only subbed one guy, Josh Barnett, the rest of his wins were by points, they weren’t all BJJ practitioners and some he outweighed by 70 to 100 pounds (Leo Vieira, Ricardo Almeida). Almeida actually armlocked him, and the arm popped, but Kerr didn’t tap (probably from all of the painkillers he was on).

Kerr is overrated in mma. He didn’t beat anyone of note. Look at his record up until his first loss against Fujita: they were either nobodies and/or he had a huge size advantage. Once he started facing better opponents, like Igor Vovchanchyn (who was a very small HW) and Heath Herring, he lost. Igor and Herring were second tier fighters in Pride as they were below guys like Fedor, Nog and Cro Cop. If Kerr couldn’t beat second tier fighters then just how good was he after all? [/quote]

Well, he beat Mario Sperry on the cards in ADCC. That alone would be enough to consider him the best submission fighter in the world at the time.

Also, when he was in MMA no one was really established. Beating Fabio Gurgel was huge, because of Gurgel’s BJJ chops. His next four wins meant he won two UFC heavyweight tournaments. He beat Hugo Duarte, who was considered a name at the time.(Actually, Kaiser how good was Duarte? I got familiar with him from the Rickson story and the Gracie in Action tapes. You have any insights?) He beat Enson Inoue twice. Once in '98 and once in 2000 at the beginning of the Pride Grand Prix. That gave him two wins over the man who beat Randy Couture, the then UFC champ. This takes us to when his issues with drugs really started to take him apart. Vovchanchin and Herring came after.

Big Nog, Cro-Cop, and the Fedor all hit Pride several years after Kerr was no longer in top form.

You mentioned the Sherdog stats. Perhaps you were not actively watching MMA in the late 90’s to 2000 period?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Hugo Duarte was one of the big dogs from luta livre(the brazilian equivalent of wrestling, although it’s really weak and don’t even compare to real folkstyle or freestyle wrestling, bjj is the top dog nowadays and the guys from luta livre keeps crying that bjj stole their moves(mostly leg locks) and fame, it all started with the big rivalry between Luta Livre and Jiu Jitsu.)

some random facts about Hugo, that not many people know:

  • When he fought Rickson on the beach, they kicked sand on his face, and he was already on an unfavorable position.

  • He once knocked out Allan Goes(very very technical bjj who never fulfilled his potential on MMA, due to drugs problems) in a bar brawl.

  • He says that he couldn’t finish Tank because his leg was hurt and he couldn’t slip the hooks in order to estabilize the position.(i call bullshit)

  • He was actually supposed to fight Kerr(on PRIDE 3) before Tank, but his management thought it was better to fight Tank first

  • He states that Kerr was dirty on his fight he used headbutts, elbows, using his chin on his cut, one of Kerr’s stomps broke his foot, when he screamed to the judge, Kerr was holding his glove in a position that referee wasn’t able to see. After the japanese wanted him to fight or Vovchanchyn or Otsuka. If he won those 2 fights he would had his rematch with Kerr in a big event.

Actually, besides that i don’t much about Hugo, to me one of i do know some inside stories from some Gracie members like Ryan(he had a BIG BIG rivalry with my old team(Macaco Gold Team from Jorge Patino Macaco) that were worse than some fights you see from hooligans for their English Team on Manchester , Rickson, Royler, Wallid, Marco Ruas, if you are curious i post some of them here.

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Oh i remember a good one, did you know Belfort strength & conditioning coach on his stint as a Carlson student was Curtis Leffler?

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The thing that always disappointed me about roguevampire was that he had that thread where he candidly discussed his love for a rotting corpse that used to be a murderess, and then what did he do? Nothing. I thought that we were going to see the birth of a new kind of troll, one who used creativity, wit and neck to create threads of fiendish zaniness. Instead he has just proceeded to farm out hackneyed, cliched crap wherever he sticks his snout.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
The thing that always disappointed me about roguevampire was that he had that thread where he candidly discussed his love for a rotting corpse that used to be a murderess, [/quote]

I’m sorry. It’s early here. WTF? Are you serious? Is there a link?

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Here it is, my friend: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/what_if_your_one_true_love_died_400_years_ago?id=4448933&pageNo=0

But beware, it’s a very sentimental and a very touchy subject regarding our blood-sucking mate.

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Allan Goes used BJJ in MMA better than anyone there for a while.

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

  • He says that he couldn’t finish Tank because his leg was hurt and he couldn’t slip the hooks in order to estabilize the position.(i call bullshit)
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I remember watching that fight, seeing Duarte go for the armbar, and yelling “What are you doing?” at the TV. Its like Duarte was thinking “Tank is too smart and crafty to let me sink the choke, I better try the armlock.” Yup, he learned his lesson against Oleg. Right.

That’s right Mr. Duarte, Tank would never get choked out. It’s ludicrous. But if it did happen I imagine it would look like this:

Well, at least it brought us the best post fight interview ever. Tank dedicated his win to “The Big Man in the Sky…Frankie Sinatra”.

An aside: Don Frye is awesome. How can you not love this?

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
Actually, besides that i don’t much about Hugo, to me one of i do know some inside stories from some Gracie members like Ryan(he had a BIG BIG rivalry with my old team(Macaco Gold Team from Jorge Patino Macaco) that were worse than some fights you see from hooligans for their English Team on Manchester , Rickson, Royler, Wallid, Marco Ruas, if you are curious i post some of them here.
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Sure, post what you can think of. Actually, I would love to hear more about Wallid and Marco Ruas, since there seems to a hell of a lot less info on those two.

Thanks.

Robert A

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
Here it is, my friend: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/what_if_your_one_true_love_died_400_years_ago?id=4448933&pageNo=0

But beware, it’s a very sentimental and a very touchy subject regarding our blood-sucking mate.[/quote]

Thank you for the link. I will have to see what this is about.

A post above mentioned Herring. That makes me remember this:

Watch with the audio on so you can hear Herring explain himself. “He tried to kiss me like a homosexual. I’m not Gay!” Good job Heath. It’s not gay if you punch him after. Fantastic moment in MMA history.

Any others?

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
Here it is, my friend: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/what_if_your_one_true_love_died_400_years_ago?id=4448933&pageNo=0

But beware, it’s a very sentimental and a very touchy subject regarding our blood-sucking mate.[/quote]

Wow. There is a whole lot of WTF in that thread.

I have a couple thoughts. They are marginally appropriate for posting in Combat, but I am not going to bump that other thread.

I am addressing this to everyone, though especially rouguevampire if he reads this and thinks it applies at all to him. Actually, belay that. rouguevampire, even if this does not fit you at all please consider it anyway. Consider it for your daughter. Consider it even if only to help you talk to her about her life, or the lives of her friends.

Sometimes things can get confusing. It is easy to feel like whatever situation you are in is unique and could never be understood by others. That is always going to be true to an extent, but it is not the whole truth of it. If you ever feel that circumstance, the people in your life, or the World in general is are no longer things you can make sense of, there is help available. If you feel that you are wrong for the world, help is available. If you feel compulsion to do things you know to be wrong, help is available. Even if you hear voices or feel an overwhelming impulse to do a thing you know to be wrong, help is available. We all have demons, but we cannot afford to let them control us. They are not on our side.

We have all been in bad situations on the mat, in the ring, the dojo, etc. We study and try to learn to thrive in these situations the best we can. We learn through study and practice to react judiciously even in times of agony, fear, and confusion; really, especially in times of agony, fear, and confusion. We try to forge our reactions into tools to help us out of these situations. Life is the same. Please do not allow the turmoil of present circumstance cause you to choose a poor and permanent solution to what are often temporary problems.

The second point is far more germane to this board. There is a tendency to assume that success and understanding of something implies some knowledge of other things. Though often true, it is not an inherent truth. Until I read rouguevampires true love thread I knew him primarily from his combat board posts, and his avatar. He appears to have a great deal of size. I would consider any statements he made building side and strength to come from a position of authority. I disagree with some of his analysis of fights/fighters. I would now seriously question any advice he would give me on relationships or interacting with others. I do not intend that as shot at him. If I have issues building up my chest or back I sure as hell want him to chime in.

Much of what we train, whether for combat sports, defense, or martial arts, has to do with efficient methods of injuring, or rendering another human being unable to defend themselves. It is a violent, awful field of study at its heart. Knowledge in this realm does not require, hell it may even exclude , someone from being an entirely good/well-adjusted person. I do not require anyone who teaches me to be a subject matter expert on anything other than what they teach. I do my best to identify when I am posting based on education and experience, and when I am venturing out of my lane.

This brings me to the last thing that popped into my head. Self-awareness is a corner stone, perhaps THE corner stone of martial knowledge. We have to know ourselves mentally, and physically. We have to be honest with ourselves, because the cost of self-delusion is far too great in this game. If we allow ourselves to think too highly of ourselves we will never see what we need to improve, and we will be blind to our weaknesses and unable to protect them from hostile intent. If we demean ourselves to much, we may never find or recognize opportunities for success, in combat or away from it.

There was a TV series called Sports Night. It did not last long. It was good, but not great. What it had though, were flashes of brilliant writing. One of the characters said something to the effect of 'If you are stupid, surround yourselves with people smarter than you are. If you are smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you." To do this takes courage, awareness, and the foresight to allow ourselves to feel weaker so that we may someday become stronger. I would like to think I am able to do that, but I know that I am often neither brave enough, nor sufficiently prescient. I sincerely hope everyone that reads this is better than I am, and THAT should not be hard to do. I am just some idiot with a chimp avatar on the internet.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
Big Nog, Cro-Cop, and the Fedor all hit Pride several years after Kerr was no longer in top form.

You mentioned the Sherdog stats. Perhaps you were not actively watching MMA in the late 90’s to 2000 period?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I have been watching mma since the first UFC. Ker’s first fight in Pride was in 1998 and his first loss was in 2000 (although he was already exposed somewhat in the first Igor fight in 1999 that was a NC). Nog’s first fight in Pride was in 2001. Fedor, 2002. You say that Fedor and Nog hit Pride several years after Kerr was no longer in top form. Looking at those dates several is not the correct word. And if the drug issue is seen as the root of his drop off in form one could just as easily say he would never have been where he was in the first place without some pharmaceutical aid. Drugs allowed him to train through pain. They allowed him to put on a lot of muscle and get stronger. They probably also boosted his confidence (until he got punched in the face). The only time drugs hurt him was when he used them to escape from his personal issues because he lacked the strength of character to end a toxic relationship. Even Bas said as much in Smashing Machine. That same lack of strength of character is what came back to haunt him in the fights he lost. He fought well as long as he was winning and imposing himself but when his opponent fought back effectively and didn’t show signs of wilting he was the one who wilted. He was good at beating people up but not good at fighting.

And if Kerr dropped off before having to face Nog or Fedor in Pride, which could have happened in 2001 or 2002, then how did he manage to win ADCC in 2001?

Kerr entered the UFC in 1997. In that year Coleman, Maurice Smith, Couture, even Belfort and Tank Abbot, were still active HWs. The first three were all HW champions at some time in that year. Kerr faced none of them and instead went to Japan where he faced mediocre fighters for about 2 years then started losing to slightly better fighters which meant he wouldn’t face the best fighters. So the fact remains that he never faced the best competition available at the time he fought. He left the UFC before having to step up. He started losing in Pride which meant he wouldn’t be able to step up. And regardless of the reasons why he never fought the best available competition it still means he didn’t face the best available competition. A fighter’s greatness is measured against the competition he faced. Kerr did not face the best, let alone beat the best. And they were out there.

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Vovchanchyn was a beast, my favorite fighter along Fedor and Genki Sudo, he was, at least to me, “The Fedor Prototype” from where the russians made tests before launching Fedor 1.0 The Invincible Cyborg

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
Actually, besides that i don’t much about Hugo, to me one of i do know some inside stories from some Gracie members like Ryan(he had a BIG BIG rivalry with my old team(Macaco Gold Team from Jorge Patino Macaco) that were worse than some fights you see from hooligans for their English Team on Manchester , Rickson, Royler, Wallid, Marco Ruas, if you are curious i post some of them here.
[/quote]

Sure, post what you can think of. Actually, I would love to hear more about Wallid and Marco Ruas, since there seems to a hell of a lot less info on those two.

Thanks.

Robert A[/quote]

Wallid is classic, his macaroni english is funny as hell.

This interview is Wallid narrating his own fight against Royce, which he made Royce sleep like a baby with the reloginho choke(little clock choke)

“The choke was very tight, oh look, he is going to sleep! he slept! That’s crazy man! Now his arms are limp, oh look they are invading the ring to wake him up”

His Discussion against Ryan on Sergio Mallandro is epic:

Wallid: Congratulations to Renzo, he fought very well against Sakata, i have nothing but respect for him!

Ryan: Yeah, see if you can learn something from my brother fighting, you paraiba(derrogative term used by people from south to refer to people from northeast on Brazil), that’s what’s Gracie is all about, going for the finish!

Wallid: How the fuck i am going to learn something from a guy i already beat, my brother?

Ryan: You used a rigged kimono, and i’m not your brother, bro!

Wallid VS Edson Carvalho

Wallid almost got killed on this one. Wallid was dicussing with Ricardo because he said he got a letter from Carlson from USA that Carlson was supposed to train Marco Ruas, but as he wasn’t from bjj he refused.

From out of nowhere, Edson who was nearby punches Wallid on the face Wallid got the double underhook and took Edson down twice, Medhi came running and said: “I want no fight in the gym” and locked Wallid, Ricardo and Edson out of the gym, in the middle of a corridor.

He tried once again the double underhook on Edson, but Ricardo wouldn’t let him, Wallid screamed: “Medhi, Ricardo is helping Edson! Is two against one!” Medhi put his head out and said: “Ricardo don’t interfere! I don’t want any fight!” and closed the door again, Wallid thought the fight was over, Ricardo pushed him and Edson took him down with a double-leg, they smashed Wallid face on the wall and he got groggy, they stomped his head, kicked him, Edson mounted and hit him, soccer kicked, smashed his tendons. Pensei que o cara fosse parar a luta e larguei o Ã?dson e o Medhi fechou a porta de novo and then Throwed him downstairs. As soon as people began to watch, both went running away.

Medhi put his head out again and saw Wallid trashed and called the ambulance, result: 20 stitches on the head, 2 very swollen eyes, right ear cut and several bruises. Wallid is a fucking brawler =)

Here is an example of his funny english

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I have been watching mma since the first UFC.[/quote]
Cool, I did not mean that as a shot. More that if you were going by stats/tape and came into the sport when Fedor was king and the UFC actually was sorted out it might be hard to grasp how varied talent was from say '97-2002.

[quote]
Ker’s first fight in Pride was in 1998 and his first loss was in 2000 (although he was already exposed somewhat in the first Igor fight in 1999 that was a NC).[/quote]
Well, Igor was sort of a top guy at the time. Of course changes in Pride’s rules led to that being a NC instead of a loss.

[quote]
Nog’s first fight in Pride was in 2001. Fedor, 2002. You say that Fedor and Nog hit Pride several years after Kerr was no longer in top form. Looking at those dates several is not the correct word.[/quote] You are right. I should have wrote that they hadn’t established themselves until Kerr’s star was declining. I should have been more clear. The documentary makes me think he was starting to fade in 2000 and even though he was amazing in ADCC that Fujita fight alone casts doubts.

[quote]
And if the drug issue is seen as the root of his drop off in form one could just as say he would never have been where he was in the first place without some pharmaceutical aid. Drugs allowed him to train through pain. They allowed him to put on a lot of muscle and get stronger. They probably also boosted his confidence (until he got punched in the face). The only time drugs hurt him was when he used them to escape from his personal issues because he lacked the strength of character to end a toxic relationship. Even Bas said as much in Smashing Machine.[/quote]
Fair point, and I did not consider it that way. I guess it is a bit odd for me to act like pharma was the monkey on his back without also admitting that it played a role in his success.

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He fought well as long as he was winning and imposing himself but when his opponent fought back effectively and didn’t show signs of wilting he was the one who wilted. He was good at beating people up but not good at fighting.

And if Kerr dropped off before having to face Nog or Fedor in Pride, which could have happened in 2001 or 2002, then how did he manage to win ADCC in 2001?[/quote]

Well, I think he dropped off in that he was not able to always bring his best. His ADCC performance was fantastic. I also think he gutted out of a leg lock against Sperry in their match, but it has been a while. If I recall correctly he lost a ton of weight and muscle before he faced Arona in their match. The Smashing Machine leads me to say he was in trouble prior to 2000, but that he could still perform at a high level on occasion. When was the Arona match, because that was the one where I really thought he was done vs in a slump?

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Kerr entered the UFC in 1997. In that year Coleman, Maurice Smith, Couture, even Belfort and Tank Abbot, were still active HWs. The first three were all HW champions at some time in that year. Kerr faced none of them and instead went to Japan where he faced mediocre fighters for about 2 years then started losing to slightly better fighters which meant he wouldn’t face the best fighters. So the fact remains that he never faced the best competition available at the time he fought. He left the UFC before having to step up.[/quote]
Well I agree that he did not face the best the UFC had to offer the year he was there. He had already beat Varlens (god to think he was relevant in '96) and Gurgel in Brazil. He was put into and won two HW tournaments in the UFC, that is as good a performance as can be expected. Pride was more money so he went.

[quote]
He started losing in Pride which meant he wouldn’t be able to step up. And regardless of the reasons why he never fought the best available competition it still means he didn’t face the best available competition. A fighter’s greatness is measured against the competition he faced. Kerr did not face the best, let alone beat the best. And they were out there. [/quote]

Duarte was supposed to be a major opponent, but Tank beat him and that really tarnishes his rep. Takada was considered to be a major guy in Japan in that he fought Rickson, but again I am doubtful to say the least. Takada lost twice to Rickson and I have heard his match with Coleman was a work. In any event he was a star and Kerr beat him. NC with Igor, a win on Inoue, and then the Grand Prix which was THE competition at the time. He faced the best in the world at ADCC and did very well. When he was at his best he fought and beat some of the best fighters offered to him for the most money he could get. After the Grand Prix he was hit and miss, and he lost to some game opponents. Igor was considered a top fighter and Herring seemed to have the game plan for beating big wrestlers (side note: Who’s idea was it to diet Heath down and try to make him a pure kickboxer?) By '04 there was not much of the old Kerr left.

We may be talking (typing?) past each other a bit. I am not claiming he accomplished a ton in MMA, although I think an in shape 1999-2000 Kerr was capable of hanging with the best. I am saying that he was among the best in 2000 or so in MMA. I think he would have beat Couture, Vitor, certainly Tank, and maybe even Smith. I concede his best accomplishments were in submission grappling not MMA. I apologize if I was unclear about that earlier.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
We may be talking (typing?) past each other a bit. I am not claiming he accomplished a ton in MMA, although I think an in shape 1999-2000 Kerr was capable of hanging with the best. I am saying that he was among the best in 2000 or so in MMA. I think he would have beat Couture, Vitor, certainly Tank, and maybe even Smith. I concede his best accomplishments were in submission grappling not MMA. I apologize if I was unclear about that earlier.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Obviously Kerr was a guy who had the tools. Even Bas said he wasn’t like some of the other wrestlers in mma (example: Coleman) because he was actually trying to expand upon his skill base. I just think his personal issues were something he couldn’t overcome and they manifested themselves in his mental breakdowns in the ring (he seemed to just freeze against Fujita even though he was winning) and his use of drugs for more than performance enhancing. But there is no reason to think that he could have surpassed Coleman’s accomplishments. I think he had the tools to beat Fedor because, unlike Coleman, he wouldn’t have fallen as easily for the armbar. He is also younger than Coleman.

I read somewhere that Kerr is really messed up because of his drug use. He is actually more sensitive to pain now. I’m trying to remember his match with Arona, it’s probably on Youtube, but I think he looked flabby. I feel bad for the guy because we were born on the same day, same year.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I feel bad for the guy because we were born on the same day, same year. [/quote]

the same way i feel bad for being born on the same day and month than Randy Couture, does that mean i will be overrated with an .500 record?

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I feel bad for the guy because we were born on the same day, same year. [/quote]

the same way i feel bad for being born on the same day and month than Randy Couture, does that mean i will be overrated with an .500 record? [/quote]

Meh, I think your alright and you have a 0-0 record (Pro debut hasn’t happened yet, correct?) So, yeah your good to go at .500.

EDIT: 0-0 not .000, sorry bout that.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I feel bad for the guy because we were born on the same day, same year. [/quote]

the same way i feel bad for being born on the same day and month than Randy Couture, does that mean i will be overrated with an .500 record? [/quote]

No. Tito Ortiz will call you the greatest ever. On Inside MMA he said that during the time Fedor was in Pride, and people were calling him the number one HW in the world, it should have been Randy. His reasoning: the UFC is, and always was, the best. What he failed to consider is that during Fedor’s Pride years, Randy only had 2 fights at HW and lost them both. He was a LHW for most of that period.

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hasn’t done anything great since Napão

I wouldn’t call Toney, Coleman and Vera a great run since he’s back on the UFC.