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Did any of these things happen to you?

"Dr. Moberly suggests other situations which may cause same sex attraction:

"1. The illness of the child, especially when this involves hospitalization, i.e., a large measure of separation from parental care.

  1. The illness of a parent. Even when this does not involve hospitalization, it may mark a period of inability to care for the young child, which may in turn affect the child’s capacity for attaching to the parent.

  2. The birth of a sibling, especially when this involves the mother’s absence due to hospitalization, or a conspicuous lessening in the amount of care she gives to the child she has already.

  3. The temporary, prolonged, or permanent absence of a parent.

  4. The separation or divorce of the parents.

  5. The death of a parent.

  6. Adoption, fostering or living in an orphanage.

  7. Being brought up in a succession of nurses, governesses, etc., i.e., a constantly changing succession of ‘parental’ figures.

  8. Being molested as a child by someone older.

  9. Feeling different for a variety of reasons.

[E. Moberly (1983) Psychogenesis: The Early Development of Gender Identity, p. 78, Routledge and Keegan Paul Ltd.: London]

1489

Fortunately many Psychologists speak against the ruling of the Homsexualy controlled APA.

Is trying to change harmful? Not at all!

"Homosexuals can?t change ?and to suggest they try is unrealistic, even harmful.

Again, some of the most prominent specialists in this field disagree. Dr. John Money said in his 1988 book, Gay, Straight and In Between: ?Some people do change their sexual orientation. There is absolutely no harm in trying."

Dr. Reuben Fine, director for the New York Center for Psychoanalytic Training, said in his 1987 publication, Psychoanalytic Theory, Male and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches: ?I have recently had occasion to review the result of psychotherapy with homosexuals, and been surprised by the findings. It is paradoxical that even though politically active homosexual groups deny the possibility of change, all studies from Schrenck-Notzing have found positive effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment used?a considerable percentage of overt homosexuals became heterosexual?.

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The misinformation spread by certain circles that ?homosexuality is untreatable by psychotherapy? does incalculable harm to thousands of men and women.?

MISINFORMATION SPREAD BY THE CERTAIN CIRCLES THAT HOMOSEXUALS CAN’T CHANGE IS DANGEROUS

Dr. Robert Kronemeyer , in his 1980 book, Overcoming Homosexuality: ? For those homosexuals who are unhappy with their life and find effective therapy, it is ?curable.??

?The homosexual?s real enemy is?his ignorance of the possibility that he can be helped,? said Dr. Edmund Bergler, in his book, Homosexuality: Disease or Way of Life?

?The major challenge in treating homosexuality from the point of view of the patient?s resistance has, of course, been the misconception that the disorder is innate or inborn,? wrote Charles Socarides (?Homosexuality,? the American Handbook of Psychiatry).

In 1962, Dr. Irving Bieber and his colleagues concluded: ?The therapeutic results of our study provide reason for an optimistic outlook. Many homosexuals became exclusively heterosexual in psychoanalytic treatment?. In our judgment, a heterosexual shift is a possibility for all homosexuals who are strongly motivated to change.?

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“Seventeen years later, Bieber stated: ? We have followed some patients for as long as ten years who have remained exclusively heterosexual.”

No wait that can’t br right forlife says no one can change!

LOL

1490

[quote]ZEB wrote:
No wait that can’t br right forlife says no one can change!
[/quote]

Misquote. I said that people cannot generally change their orientation. Those few that are so-called “success stories” may be more moderate on the sexual continuum.

Most importantly, every major medical and mental health association has concluded that people cannot generall change their orientation, and that attempting to do so can be damaging and is not recommended.

1491

[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:

What if someone is born with an orientation that is halfway between the homosexual <--------> heterosexual continuum

I can never let you say this without pointing out how nutty it sounds and in fact is!

“The homosexual, heterosexual continuum.”

Ha ha…:)[/quote]

This idea of taking people out of their spot in the continuum is a farce. It’s just as healthy when homosexuals change their sexual attraction as when transexuals, pedophiles, and beastialitiers (like the word, I made it up!) change their sexual attaction.

Heck, you can ever throw in the guys who are having sex with watermelons if you want.

1492

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
This idea of taking people out of their spot in the continuum is a farce.[/quote]

Tell that to:

American Academy of Pediatrics

American Counseling Association

American Association of School Administrators

American Federation of Teachers

American Psychological Association

American School Health Association

Interfaith Alliance Foundation

National Association of School Psychologists

National Association of Social Workers

National Education Association

1493

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
This idea of taking people out of their spot in the continuum is a farce.

Tell that to:

American Academy of Pediatrics

American Counseling Association

American Association of School Administrators

American Federation of Teachers

American Psychological Association

American School Health Association

Interfaith Alliance Foundation

National Association of School Psychologists

National Association of Social Workers

National Education Association [/quote]

You have my permission to forward my response to them. When you do, please send the entire post.

It is good that you didn’t deny my post. Homosexuals, pedophiles, and beastialitiers (love that word!) can all benefit from change in sexual desire.

1494

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
You may not realize it, but this thread was originally about propaganda in the Brokeback Mountain movie. After the original post, do you know how many posts it took for the liberal to change the subject to “Is gayness right or wrong”?

Here is the answer: ONE[/quote]

Actually, the answer is ZERO. As Prof X pointed out a few dozen pages ago, the “warning” that Brokeback Mountain is a continuation of some gay conspiracy directly implies that gayness is wrong.

-Glee

1495

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Fundamentalists? Oh you mean those of us who believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. And he came to this earth to die for our sins if we only accept his great sacrifice and turn from sin.

Yes…it’s really bad stuff huh? [/quote]

No, it’s not bad. But it’s goofy and unfounded. What is bad is using these goofy superstitions to advocate harm.

-Glee

1496

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
There’s even a continuum for orientation? I’m sorry but I think that’s just a convenient way for sexually immoral people to excuse their “[b]f*ck anything with a hole[/b]” behavior.[/quote]

Welcome to three weeks ago. Why the sudden interest?

[quote]I wonder where incest, pedophilia, and beastiality appear on this continuum.

Here’s an honest question… If people are categorized on this continuum, how are their orientations graded?[/quote]

The concept of a sexuality spectrum isn’t a definite or regulated one. It’s simply a widely-accepted paradigm based on the observation that people have various levels of sexual attraction to various things. In this context, we’re talking about the spectrum that basically runs from 100% heterosexual and 0% homosexual on one end to 0% heterosexual and 100% homosexual on the other.

-Glee

1497

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Many Christians are frauds. See my previous posts.[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree.

-Glee

1498

[quote]ZEB wrote:
We really don’t need to hear any religious lectures from you![/quote]

Correction: we really don’t need to hear any religious lectures at all.

-Glee

1499

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Straight men do not have sex with other straight men!

forlife wrote:
See Sparta (and all the other examples provided earlier).

ZEB wrote:
See the USA circa 2006! A Heterosexual man does not want to bend Cliff Claven over the couch when their wife is not around.

Why don’t you wake up?[/quote]

This is exactly what I was talking about when I told you to be a man and admit when you’re proven wrong.

-Glee

1500

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Change is possible otherwise NO ONE would change and many have.

ZEB wrote:
This is probably the most important point in the entire debate. If homosexuality were truely an unreversable condition, then no one would ever change. People have changed. So, HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT AN UNREVERSABLE CONDITION![/quote]

We have proof that same-sex sexual activity has been changed (but even that proof is primarily from biased bodies), but precisely none that homosexuality has been reversed.

-Glee

1501

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You deny the natural tendency for heterosexuals to be attracted to those of the opposite sex.[/quote]

Those are bisexuals, actually. We’ve already been through this.

I fully agree. God created homosexuality in a great many vertebrate animals, including humans. There is no amount of cultural learning and “acceptance” that would change this.

-Glee

1502

[quote]forlife wrote:
Don’t you think it is possible that some people are further along the bisexual continuum…

ZEB wrote:
Okay, I can’t let this beauty go past without recognition.

THE BISEXUAL CONTINUUM.[/quote]

Actually, you let it go past the first few times it was mentionned.

-Glee

1503

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Remember you brought up the “sex with a watermelon” idea? According to your logic, we should all be able to do that without much of a problem because we can put our cocks anywhere they fit.[/quote]

You’ve never been an adolescent boy, have you?

-Glee

1504

[quote]forlife wrote:
people can’t generally change their sexual orientation,

terribleivan wrote:
I just wanted to focus on this part of it. I noticed you included the word “generally”. But, if even one person changes from gay to straight, them the whole orientation from birth agrument is flawed.[/quote]

Depends on which “orientation from birth” argument. You see, in the scientific community, people explore all the viable options they can think of, instead of blindly following the Great Book of Steve™. As human sexual orientation is not a wholly understood from a scientific standpoint, people are considering all sorts of theories.

And what’s really cool about science is if you know something about (in this case) homosexuality that the current scientists don’t, you can tell them. And if you can back up your assertions with proof, the scientists will believe you and will forward your ideas as the leading scientific theory.

-Glee

1505

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Take a look:

(May 9, 2001). Press Release, National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality, […][/quote]

(March 7th, 2006). Double-blind study posted in “Hypocrites Quarterly” by the ZEB Is Full Of Shit Society of America, saying that you need to find some actual unbiased medical research if you’re going to present it as such.

I’ve obviously been unable to communicate this to you previously, so allow me to clarify: I have no objection to considering studies and reports and views forwarded by interested parties. What I have a problem with are studies and reports and views from an interested party that are scientifically biased towards alignment with the interested party in question.

-Glee

1506

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
It’s just as healthy when homosexuals change their sexual attraction as when transexuals, pedophiles, and beastialitiers (like the word, I made it up!) change their sexual attaction.[/quote]

There is no more evidence that pedophiles and bestialists can change their proclivities any more than people who participate in consentual and legal sexual activities.

Your point?

-Glee

1507

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Remember you brought up the “sex with a watermelon” idea? According to your logic, we should all be able to do that without much of a problem because we can put our cocks anywhere they fit.

You’ve never been an adolescent boy, have you?

-Glee[/quote]

Tell me glee, have you?