Brokeback Propaganda

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[quote]
ZEB wrote:
The main purpose of heterosexual sex is procreation.

Tell me what the main purpose of homosexual sex is.

Uh huh…[/quote]

So let’s look more closely at the axioms you’ve presented as fact:

  1. Sex which potentially produces disease is evil

  2. Sex which leads to procreation is good

  3. Axiom #2 overrides Axiom #1 when both apply

The logical conclusion is that you would similarly see as evil any straight sex which cannot lead to procreation. So straight couples that are infertile should not have sex, right? And birth control is anathema? After all, these are situations where a) disease could be perpetuated, and b) procreation is impossible.

Hmmm…

touches a needle to Zeb’s balloon of amazing logic and watches it pop

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I know the scripture. I thought that it would also be a good thing to remind you that you are far from perfect. I do not agree with this guy’s understanding of religion. I don’t, however, believe that God is standing at the gates of heaven turning away gay people. I also don’t think it is right for us to judge every single one of them and tell them what they can or can’t do. It is none of your business and the true judgement is far above all of us.[/quote]

I guess that’s one place we just simply disagree.

“I” am not telling anyone that they are going to hell. It is not for me to judge.

It is God’s judgement that matters.

However, we do have God’s word here on earth to read, it’s called the Bible.

If the Bible is not Gods word then what is it?

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
scoff00 wrote:
Propaganda? In what way? Is it supposed to make me want to become gay?

No. The propaganda’s role is not to make you a homosexual, but to attempt to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside towards homosexual relations, infidelity, free-spirited & promiscuous lifestyles (whether hetero or homosexual), and even comfortable with disintegrating our obligations and vows to others. Any art that’s strong enough to evoke sentiments pertaining to a given stimulus in a triumphant fashion has the ability to confuse man’s ability between right and wrong.

“Gee, them religious folks killed those gay guys everyone loved in that classic film. I can’t stand religious folks. To hell with them and their religious ideals! Marriage is a joke, women are useless, and kids are such a nuisance. Forget about procreation, it’s just easier to find me a whore or a man to hump 'cause sex is more important than food.”

The author specifies the dangers of such propaganda in his first and latter passages. And yes, the author comes from a Christian background. Nonetheless, only a fool would demote his logic, concerns, and admonitions based upon that fact (as some of you have already done).

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And you think gay sex is wrong?

Promiscuity is wrong?

You have lost your brainwashed, frightened mind.

You are judgmental. I have read your bible. Have you? That “Christ-Guy” was really about not being judgmental… remember?

Or did you miss that whole “don’t be judgmental” vibe that was the FUCKING BASIS OF HIS ENTIRE FUCKING TEACHING?

Modern Christians are so un-christlike.

Oops. There I go being “judgmental” myself. Oh, wait, it’s not hypocrisy if I don’t make some ridiculous claim to my own “holy, selfhating ways” in the first place…

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I find it interesting that as a Christian you chose a bull-headed man as your avatar.

Don’t you realize the minotaur is a symbol of the BEAST SIDE OF MANKIND.???

Do you even KNOW your own religion?

Isn’t it turned against the BEAST SIDE OF MANKIND??

And yet you chose that as your OWN avatar?

What the hell is wrong with you?

Do you even KNOW your own relligion?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Homosexuals have the same rights that heterosexuals have. They can marry anyone of the opposite sex who will have them.

What homosexuals want are special rights!
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That’s like saying:

Blacks have the same rights that whites have. They can be hired by any company that will have them.

What blacks want are special rights!

It is a smoke screen, and you know it as well as I do. The equal right being violated here is the right to marry the person that you love.

And don’t insult me by going down the slippery slope again…marrying a child is potentially damaging because the child doesn’t have the maturity to make such a decision. There is NOTHING inherently damaging in a homoexual relationship.

I know you like to harp on anal sex, but you continue to ignore that a) lots of straight people are allowed to marry, despite practicing anal sex, b) anal sex is not dangerous if you take proper precautions, and c) not all gays practice anal sex.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Then who was Jesus Christ?

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Jesus is an iconic figure that gives people a sense of hope and purpose, like Muhammad or Apollo or Buddha. You choose to have faith in this figure, because you don’t absolutely know that your beliefs are grounded in reality. That’s fine, but at least recognize it as faith rather than fact.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

ZEB wrote:
The main purpose of heterosexual sex is procreation.

Tell me what the main purpose of homosexual sex is.

Uh huh…

So let’s look more closely at the axioms you’ve presented as fact:

  1. Sex which potentially produces disease is evil[/quote]

Never said that.

I agree with this. But the illogical conclusion that you will reach later on is that “only sex which leads to procreation is good.”

You are twisting words as well as I have seen any homosexual activist twist them.

Congrats man! :slight_smile:

Here is what I said: “Promiscuity can lead to some sort of sexual disease.”

You do know what this means, right?

You draw one illogical conclusion after another. One would think that you are deliberately trying to twist my words…Oh yea you are! LOL

When “two become one” in marriage they are not acting in a promiscuous fashion by having sex are they?

Disease is perpetuated by promiscuity.

(I’m trying to give you some basics so that you will be less likely to twist them with your response.)

[quote]Hmmm…

touches a needle to Zeb’s balloon of amazing logic and watches it pop[/quote]

You have not drawn even one logical conclusion on this post, not one!

What you have shown is that you have a bitterness that reaches out and attempts to touch all who disagree with your little scenario on life.

I wonder ifChristianity accepted homosexual activity would you still be a Christian?

It seems you had to turn against Christianity in order to rationalize your actions.

Now I could be wrong, but it does seem so at this point.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I know the scripture. I thought that it would also be a good thing to remind you that you are far from perfect. I do not agree with this guy’s understanding of religion. I don’t, however, believe that God is standing at the gates of heaven turning away gay people. I also don’t think it is right for us to judge every single one of them and tell them what they can or can’t do. It is none of your business and the true judgement is far above all of us.

I guess that’s one place we just simply disagree.

“I” am not telling anyone that they are going to hell. It is not for me to judge.

It is God’s judgement that matters.

However, we do have God’s word here on earth to read, it’s called the Bible.

If the Bible is not Gods word then what is it?

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You wrote this above and it shows how limited your thinking on this issue is:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The main purpose of heterosexual sex is procreation.

Tell me what the main purpose of homosexual sex is.

Uh huh… [/quote]

Do you even realize how many people have sex for pure pleasure? I don’t want kids right now. It would truly suck if every time I had sex, I was also having a new kid. Sex in a marriage is very important and it is not because of procreation specifically. It is because it feels damn good. If the act was just for the soul purpose of making more babies, I seriously doubt God would have made it the most enjoyable experience on the planet other than that it ensures there will always be some of us.

Yes, in scientific terms, sex is for procreaton. In terms of relationships, however, it encompasses much more than that.

We have God’s word as a guide. It is not to be used as some weapon to beat others over the head with. You are not acting in a “loving” way by acting as if the gay person you were debating with is abnormal or anti-christian because of his sexual orientation. Nowhere in the bible does it tell us to beat down homosexuals with talking points designed to make them feel inferior.

The basic point is, with all of your talk of religion, you would make a horrible preacher simply because of how elitist you try to make Christianity seem. I have tried to explain this to you before but it is as if it does not sink in. You, Zeb, probably turn more people away from Christianity by doing this than you could ever help towards it. Get it?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
If the Bible is not Gods word then what is it?
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The bible is: a book. It is not a word, and it is not “Gods Word.”

It is also completely full of horrible contradictions.

Do you keep to the rules of the bible?

Don’t have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don’t cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?

If a man sleeps with his father’s wife… both him and his father’s wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be “cut off from their people” (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest’s daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Don’t let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

ARE YOU TELLING ME THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF OUR PERFECT CREATOR???

I guess you would also tell me that it was GOOD AND ADMIRABLE that Abraham (the grandfather of your whole freaking superstition..er..religion) was WILLING TO KILL HIS SON because a VOICE TOLD HIM TO DO IT!

That is what my creator supposedly respects and admires?

To quit Ren, “You’ve really lost it this time, mon.”

Here are some more!

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

That’s some great “WORD OF GOD” you got there, buddy! Can I have some, too!? I’m already crazy!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
But the wages of sin are still death.

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Prove it. You have yet to provide objective evidence that a) homosexuality is a sin and b) that sin results in eternal death.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. Sex which potentially produces disease is evil

Never said that.[/quote]

Ah, the beauty of message board debate. It is more difficult to pretend that you didn’t say things that you actually said.

Here are your words:

You clearly said that the reason gay sex is wrong is because it produces disease.

I then pointed out that straight sex can also produce disease. After which you admitted that to be true, BUT you said it is ok because straight sex can produce children.

You can’t logically argue that gay sex is wrong because a) it produces disease and b) it is infertile while allowing straight sex that meets both of those same criteria. Where is the sense in that?

Now we have a new argument! Sex which produces disease and is infertile is evil UNLESS it is done as part of a marriage. Then it is ok.

But of course you won’t allow gay couples to be married, in order to prevent the promiscuity that you say makes gay sex evil. LOL! I see what you’re doing here, and it’s not going to fly. You are creating a circular argument that is not grounded in objective logic, but is driven by your own religiously motivated definition of what should be allowed in sex.

So don’t hide behind the smoke screen of claiming that gay sex is unsafe and cannot produce children, when you make it impossible for gays to not be promiscuous by disallowing them marriage. It is a flimsy argument, and you know it.

Maybe there’s a glimmer of hope here though…do you admit that a committed monogamous relationship can be non-promiscuous, even if it’s not a marriage?

No need to resort to personal attacks by implying how I feel. Defending my right to happiness is not bitterness…it is fairness. I wonder if you would similarly have accused blacks and women of bitterness when they were striving for equal rights in earlier generations.

I answered this earlier. If I were magically made straight today, I couldn’t with integrity return to my religious convictions. I didn’t leave Christianity because I am gay; there are, in fact, many good Christians who happen to be gay.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
We all have our own behaviors that we need to fix.

According to whom? Fixing self-destructive behaviors makes sense. But there is nothing inherently self-destructive in homosexuality. Like heterosexuality, it is not the orientation, but the expression of it which is either healthy or unhealthy.
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Ok, I guess you must be the one perfect person on this earth, but for the rest of us honest people, we all have issues we need to work on and fix.

I agree that it is not the homosexual thoughts that are the issue, it’s the expression of those thought in destructive behavior.

So you believe that the majority has arbitrarily determined that having sex with the opposite sex was natural or normal regardless of any biological facts? Dude, come on! From a natural perspective, the female vagina is designed for the male penis. It’s a fact of nature and science. What does that have to do with religion?

You will also notice that I have not mentioned religion in any of my posts. So it does not help your case to keep bring it up as I can prove my position without it.

So what we really have here is the acting out of homosexual thoughts is done in a manner contrary to how the male and female sexual organs have evolved. This a fact of alone medical science.

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forlife:

So that you are not confused about the head covering and homosexual activity regarding scripture:

When Paul wrote this letter he had to address issues of public worship that caused dissension or controversy within the church. According to Jewish law, while a man was in the process of reading or ministering the Word of God, he was to have his head covered. This was a sign of unworthiness towards God, that he was ashamed to be before God.

Paul directly challenges this because of the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. We are no longer unworthy in our sins, but sons and heirs before God for those who believe and accept the gift.

Women must cover their head

In ancient times women had much more manmade baggage to deal with. It was a well-accepted custom among the Greeks and Romans that a woman was to be "veiled. This was, and is, a common custom through the entire east, and none but public prostitutes go without veils. And if a woman should appear in public without a veil, she would dishonor her head-her husband. And she must appear like those women who had their hair shorn off as the punishment of whoredom, or adultery. Not covering your head was tantamount to having your hair cut off, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 11:6

Let me quote a portion of writing from a first century Roman historian Tacituc:

Tacitus informs us, Germ. 19, that, considering the greatness of the population, adulteries were very rare among the Germans; and when any woman was found guilty she was punished in the following way: accisis crinibus, nudatam coram propinquis expellit domo maritus; “having cut off her hair, and stripped her before her relatives, her husband turned her out of doors.”

Paul did not want to give anyone any reason to stumble in the new Christian church, especially when Christians were gathered together to worship God. This well accepted custom of women covering the head dealt with sexual sin and needed to be dealt with so as to keep the appearance of the church pure. This in no way can be equated with the thought that homosexuality was a “cultural custom”. Paul, in other parts of scripture discussed practices that would keep people out of the kingdom of heaven. Homosexuality was one of them!

1Co 6:9 -

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
[HIJACK]

forlife,
Zeb is relying on statistical documentation as evidence to support the idea that the homosexual lifestyle is both risky & dangerous and that sexual orientation can actually be manipulated. I’m the one who introduced the concept (somehow or other by addressing a post involving religious attitudes) of homosexual practices as being immoral and defiling.

I know you currently disagree with my religious tangent, but I want to emphasize that despite anyone’s religious beliefs, all humans deny or repress certain behaviors within themselves.

Lorisco mentioned having an affinity for gambling, thus he avoids gambling (whether he uses tricks like avoiding the casino altogether, going there with only $5, or bringing with him a nagging friend). My acquaintance journeys over to the strip-joint but practices self-discipline and restraint instead of grabbing any of the dancers. A heavy drinker may have an affinity for driving while impaired, so he hopefully stops drinking or discovers other methods of transport.

Perhaps the key to maintaining your spiritual/physical welfare in those 10 years should’ve been that instead of repressing that sexual energy, you could have used it for other endeavors; painting with the kids, weight-lifting, praying, etc. Maybe you did all of that but it still wasn’t enough? Only you know for sure how hard you tried.

I also want to quickly mention the possibility that perhaps your beliefs (though Christian-based) were underscored and riddled by principles of philosophy versus theology. False principles which painted one icon of the Christian life while genuine Christian theology paints another.

I witnessed that you used the term “happy” a few times in your posts. Since most people are under the misleading impression that pleasure is a condition or symptom of being virtuous and saintly, I leave you with this quote from Saint Maximos the Confessor, a 6th century theologian of the Orthodox Christian Church:

Saint Maximos says:
"33. When God the Logos created human nature He did not make the senses susceptible either to pleasure or to pain; instead, He implanted in it a certain noetic capacity through which men could enjoy Him in an inexpressible way. By this capacity I mean the intellect’s natural longing for God.

But on his creation the first man, through an initial movement towards sensible objects, transferred this longing to his senses, and through them began to experience pleasure in a way which is contrary to nature. Whereupon God in His providential care for our salvation implanted pain in us as a kind of chastising force; and so through pain the law of death was wisely rooted in the body, thus setting limits to the intellect’s manic longing, directed, in a manner contrary to nature, towards sensible objects.

  1. Pleasure and pain were not created simultaneously with the flesh. On the contrary, it was the fall that led man to conceive and pursue pleasure in a way that corrupted his power of choice, and that also brought upon him, by way of chastisement, the pain that leads to the dissolution of his nature. Thus because of pleasure, sin became the freely chosen death of the soul; and pain, by means of this dissolution, brought about the disintegration of the material form of the flesh.

For God has providentially given man pain he has not chosen, together with the death that follows from it, in order to chasten him for the pleasure he has chosen."
Phil; v.II; 243-44;

The true Christian life involves suffering and self-denial, not pleasure-seeking and a promotion centered on earthly happiness. Happiness is sometimes a byproduct of being faithful to God, but He wants us to love and follow Him through waves of good fortune and waves of persecution and despair.

The Christian walk is not about evolving into a junky who can enjoy endless pleasure by being awarded an infinite supply of heroin. Pleasure is not the ultimate goal of the Christian Life - it is about loving God & all of His creations, and this is accomplished by abiding in His commandments (even if achieving these feats is incredibly painful).

If you need any further religious support for what I’ve just relayed, feel free to pm me.

Peace be with you.[/quote]

Great post Stellar!

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Wrong is wrong. And the gay sex act is wrong as it produces disease.

Fine logic. Ergo, the heterosexual act is wrong as it also can produce disease.[/quote]

No, the gay sex act is wrong because it is contrary to biological function.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Do you even realize how many people have sex for pure pleasure?[/quote]

Pay close attention:

  1. We are having a conversation about the Bible and the purpsose of sex.

  2. The Bible states that when a man and women marry they can have all the sex they want.

  3. Sexual promiscuity is one of the things that can lead to sexual disease.

Then you agree that the Bible is Gods word?

I quote the Bible I have never hit anyone with a Bible yet. You might be the first…If you are as big as you say I’ll need a weapon. :slight_smile:

A. Never said anyone was abnormal

B. Never said anyone was “anti-Christian.”

C. Are people “loving” when they allow others to harm themselves without giving them at least a warning?

D. Are you being loving right now? And are you “loving” in most of your posts?

And you have probably turned many people away from T-Nation with your ego driven diatribes. But then you have admitted this in the past.

Nothing new.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Since forlife was a Christian missionary, I’m sure he’s more educated than that. But since you may be unaware vroom, repentance is a life-long struggle & committment to the avoidance of sin and striving to maintain a virtuous life.

The grace of God helps us draw closer to the ritual of genuine wholehearted repentance. If even for a split second you’re relying on this premise for salvation, I pity you!

Stellar,

Shame on you!

True repentance, not a pretense of it, happens whenever it happens. It is never too late to find God and you should well know that.

It matters not how long we are led astray, as long the lost sheep is eventually brought back to the flock.

Tsk. I’m disappointed.

Why don’t you leave the judging for your Lord as he commands of you to do.[/quote]

Ok Vroom, now you are starting to scare me! Since when did you get religion? Stop posting like that, it’s freakin me out!

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[quote]horny yoda wrote:
ZEB wrote:
If the Bible is not Gods word then what is it?

The bible is: a book. It is not a word, and it is not “Gods Word.”

It is also completely full of horrible contradictions.

Do you keep to the rules of the bible?

Don’t have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don’t cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?

If a man sleeps with his father’s wife… both him and his father’s wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be “cut off from their people” (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest’s daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Don’t let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

ARE YOU TELLING ME THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF OUR PERFECT CREATOR???

I guess you would also tell me that it was GOOD AND ADMIRABLE that Abraham (the grandfather of your whole freaking superstition..er..religion) was WILLING TO KILL HIS SON because a VOICE TOLD HIM TO DO IT!

That is what my creator supposedly respects and admires?

To quit Ren, “You’ve really lost it this time, mon.”

Here are some more!

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

That’s some great “WORD OF GOD” you got there, buddy! Can I have some, too!? I’m already crazy!

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Ha ha…Whenever the topic turns to the Bible the God haters come out in droves. Welcome Mr. hornyyoda. :slight_smile:

Also, the Old Testament “rules” that you quote were washed away when Christ arrived.

They were there for various reasons. If you want an explanation for each one it will take some time and I’m not sure you’ll end up very happy.

By the way, there are no contradictions in the Bible.

I know you want to think that there are, but that just is not the case.

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[quote]Xvim wrote:
This thread is priceless. I’m reminded of the parody review on the Landover site about how people shouldn’t see Lord of the Rings because it promotes a gay lifestyle, as represented by Froda and Sam and that the Lord of the Ring the giant red eye were veilled references to the anus.

Eloquence often indicates intellegence, it’s sad to see that wasted in pursuits such as this.[/quote]

There is a big difference between a friendship between two guys (Lord of the Rings) and two guys playing hide the salami in a tent in the mountains.

Newsflash - male friendships are not gay! Doing sexual things with a guy is gay! There is a difference.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
horny yoda wrote:
ZEB wrote:
If the Bible is not Gods word then what is it?

The bible is: a book. It is not a word, and it is not “Gods Word.”

It is also completely full of horrible contradictions.

Do you keep to the rules of the bible?

Don’t have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don’t cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?

If a man sleeps with his father’s wife… both him and his father’s wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be “cut off from their people” (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest’s daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Don’t let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

ARE YOU TELLING ME THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF OUR PERFECT CREATOR???

I guess you would also tell me that it was GOOD AND ADMIRABLE that Abraham (the grandfather of your whole freaking superstition..er..religion) was WILLING TO KILL HIS SON because a VOICE TOLD HIM TO DO IT!

That is what my creator supposedly respects and admires?

To quit Ren, “You’ve really lost it this time, mon.”

Here are some more!

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

That’s some great “WORD OF GOD” you got there, buddy! Can I have some, too!? I’m already crazy!

Ha ha…Whenever the topic turns to the Bible the God haters come out in droves. Welcome Mr. hornyyoda. :slight_smile:

Also, the Old Testament “rules” that you quote were washed away when Christ arrived.

They were there for various reasons. If you want an explanation for each one it will take some time and I’m not sure you’ll end up very happy.

By the way, there are no contradictions in the Bible.

I know you want to think that there are, but that just is not the case.

[/quote]

I agree with this. The Old testament laws are not carried over because of CHRIST. If someone is going to pick apart the bible, at least do it well and understand it first.