Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

Your quote of mine left off the part about skin color. Raped and killed because of skin color.

The only way this wacko would have known these guys were gay is because they were in a gay bar.

Know one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preference. However, sexual preference by both gay and straight should be kept private.

There have been people I’ve known that I was pretty sure were gay though I never asked them. Pink muscle shirts, frosted tips, and an accompanying toy poodle is always a clue. I am sure there are people that experience discrimination without ever having to open their months.

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So you are saying that those with poor taste are being discriminated against?

[quote]warlock wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

Dude, if I was a black guy, that would be fucking offensive! But since most of the black guys here are more PC than black, they won’t make a sound. Sad!

Really sad that you write before reading/understanding teh whole thing.

Sorry but your statement is totaly out of context.

I have black blood and I totaly agree with that statemen that I was just reproducing. It actually was a black man that said that…

Really? Gays have been brought to this country against their will? They have been slaves against their will? They have been raped and killed as less than human? They have been disenfranchised for 100’s of years just because of the color of their skin? Been forced to have separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, schools, etc?

Words mean things Bro, and equating blacks with gays in the manner that you have is asinine and not remotely accurate.

Asinine??? hahahahahaha

What is more asinine?

Myself reproducing the words of a black man or you that cann’t see the diference in between what I wrote and what you answered?

If you want to hijack the thread it’s up to you I’m out.

Yes words have meaning and sometimes it’s not about what is said but how people want to take it!

When did you last have sex with someone atractive and for free?

Who took my candy???

I’ll sue everybody here!

Give me a f***** break.

w

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Nice try. But everyone here knows what I said and what you said. Making the comparison between gay and black as you did was wrong regardless of who originally stated it and why you quoted it. So go ahead and try and confuse the issue and act like that didn’t occur, but we all know it did.

[quote]Brad61 wrote:
The only way this wacko would have known these guys were gay is because they were in a gay bar.

So then gays should stay out of gay bars, and they won’t get attacked? What is your point?

To get back on topic, just because a movie has gay characters, does not make it “homosexual propaganda”.
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No bro, the issue is not that it had gays in it. The issue is that the gay activities were portrayed as being very positive, while the hetero activities (marriage, kids, etc) were portrayed as negative. That was issue.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Do you think it got the awards simply because it was an Ang Lee movie?

It gets awards because people vote for it. Obviously, popular opinion among the community voting, if it isn’t the same as the general public, is that the movie has value for some reason.
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Excellent point vroom. And if this movie is not the best movie quality wise, and is not really popular with the public, what “value” is there to it that is making Hollywood give itself an award for it? And is it quality value of the picture or is it the message value that they are trying to acknowledge?

[quote]makkun wrote:
Lorisco,

Lorisco wrote:

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So the difference is that, just like hetero’s you don’t have to go around telling people who you want to have sex with. And without knowing this most of the time no one will know. And if they don’t know they won’t be able to discriminate. That is not true for skin color as you can’t hide that. THAT is the difference.

[…]

Know one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preference. However, sexual preference by both gay and straight should be kept private.

Damn, no more hand-holding with my girlfriend in public. Kissing is out then as well. Ah, yes, no more going to those hetero-bars…

:wink:
Makkun[/quote]

Riiiiight !

And no more walking naked in gay pride parades!

Lorisco,

Perhaps after you go see the movie with your boyfriend you can tell us what those qualities are.

Until then, why are you so sure it is something it shouldn’t be?

There are in fact good reasons to vote for such a movie… and if the acting was good, or the cinematography was good, then those are good reasons. Go see it and let us know.

By the way, have any movies about racism ever won any awards? If so, were they merely propaganda?

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

Your quote of mine left off the part about skin color. Raped and killed because of skin color.

The only way this wacko would have known these guys were gay is because they were in a gay bar.

Know one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preference. However, sexual preference by both gay and straight should be kept private.

There have been people I’ve known that I was pretty sure were gay though I never asked them. Pink muscle shirts, frosted tips, and an accompanying toy poodle is always a clue. I am sure there are people that experience discrimination without ever having to open their months.

So you are saying that those with poor taste are being discriminated against?
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If poor taste means all signs point to being gay, then yes, I’m saying people are surely discriminated who don’t make it a point to go around telling people they’re gay.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

Dude, if I was a black guy, that would be fucking offensive! But since most of the black guys here are more PC than black, they won’t make a sound. Sad!

Really sad that you write before reading/understanding teh whole thing.

Sorry but your statement is totaly out of context.

I have black blood and I totaly agree with that statemen that I was just reproducing. It actually was a black man that said that…

Really? Gays have been brought to this country against their will? They have been slaves against their will? They have been raped and killed as less than human? They have been disenfranchised for 100’s of years just because of the color of their skin? Been forced to have separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, schools, etc?

Words mean things Bro, and equating blacks with gays in the manner that you have is asinine and not remotely accurate.

Asinine??? hahahahahaha

What is more asinine?

Myself reproducing the words of a black man or you that cann’t see the diference in between what I wrote and what you answered?

If you want to hijack the thread it’s up to you I’m out.

Yes words have meaning and sometimes it’s not about what is said but how people want to take it!

When did you last have sex with someone atractive and for free?

Who took my candy???

I’ll sue everybody here!

Give me a f***** break.

w

Nice try. But everyone here knows what I said and what you said. Making the comparison between gay and black as you did was wrong regardless of who originally stated it and why you quoted it. So go ahead and try and confuse the issue and act like that didn’t occur, but we all know it did.
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Do you have friends?

Do you want a hug?

Why do you need so much attention?

w

[quote]warlock wrote:
Do you have friends?

Do you want a hug?

Why do you need so much attention?

w
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Lorisco should be asking you these questions. You have nothing insightful to provide to this thread and despite the fact that you appear to be liberated from religious ethics and testify of a black heritage, your comments are offending to homosexuals and African Americans alike.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Lorisco,

Perhaps after you go see the movie with your boyfriend you can tell us what those qualities are.
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Why begin throwing insults vroom? Can’t you maintain a sense of dignity and class without offending him? Is that the way you talk to people who don’t share your values? For a person who preaches against intolerance, you sure prove to be a hypocrite!

I don’t know of any off the top of my mind, but I’d bet there have been movies that were racist that involved propaganda which a fraction of the people recognized, protested, and warned the community about. Propaganda against one culture or group of peoples doesn’t justify propaganda against another. If propaganda occurred in the 19th century against blacks to enslave them and the mass consensus was in sinc with those values, that was wrong of society. Likewise, if propaganda occurs in the 21st century against heterosexuals or begins spewing idealogy that defies proper morals and the mass consensus is in sinc with those values, then that too is wrong of society.

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
warlock wrote:
Do you have friends?

Do you want a hug?

Why do you need so much attention?

w

Lorisco should be asking you these questions. You have nothing insightful to provide to this thread and despite the fact that you appear to be liberated from religious ethics and testify of a black heritage, your comments are offending to homosexuals and African Americans alike. [/quote]

Are you black? If not, how can you claim to speak as to whether or not African-Americans are offended.

There are quite a few black guys on this forum and none of them have taken offense.

I would be far more interested to hear what they have to say than what you do.

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Why begin throwing insults vroom? Can’t you maintain a sense of dignity and class without offending him? Is that the way you talk to people who don’t share your values? For a person who preaches against intolerance, you sure prove to be a hypocrite![/quote]

Oh bullshit. First, it was funny. Second, Lorisco and I get a bit heated in our conversations. Don’t like it, don’t read it.

You took what I said and inverted my intended meaning. I meant a movie that was against racism, not a movie that was pro-racism.

Want to adjust your answer at all? I’d argue that oppression of gays bears similarities to oppression by race. In fact, any distinct group that is oppressed (when they live within the law) are being wronged by society.

Your response works as well against you as it does for you…

I think some of the extreme liberals have been working overtime on this thread. It’s time to shine some light on their politically correct faulty thinking:

First- of all, why would anyone equate “Racism” with being homosexual?

How many times does it have to be shown that there is no proof that being homosexual is genetic?

Therefore, if you are attempting to bestow special status on homosexuals there are many other groups which should be given this status too (dajavue all over again). If we are giving out special rights for a personal choice It could easily become comical.

Shall I throw some examples out? No, I’ll save that for later when my premise is questioned-more fun that way.

Second- I think many of the politically correct who are basically out to bash others for their views are missing the entire point (which is not unusual on this subject).

Those who don’t like Brokeback because it is about two gay men have a right not to like it!

They don’t have to make up excuses as to why. They can simply say that they don’t like movies with a homosexual theme.

That does not mean that they are homophobic. Nor does it mean that they “hate” anyone. And what is “homophobic” anyway? Are those who speak out against homosexuality actually afraid of homosexuals? Or do they feel that it is not a “natural” lifestyle? And are they perhaps repulsed by the act of two men having sex?

Here is a news flash for you: Men are allowed to feel repulsed by two men having sex! It’s more “homorepugnance” than homophobic. Some men cannot help but feel sickened by certain acts. The fact that this does not fit your politically correct agenda matters not.

I know that those who want to push the homosexual agenda don’t want to read this, but it’s the truth. And I have also seen the great defenders of all things homosexual make fun of those who are obese.

Why is it okay in their politically correct play book to make fun of the obese? What if they were born fat?

Third- No one is claiming that the movie industry is “trying to make us all gay.” that is one very silly comment on this thread.

However, it is merely one more step in attempting to push the gay agenda onto America. “See these two poor guys…they had to…GASP get married and have children…of all the rotten things…”

Hollywood is liberal! PERIOD If you don’t know that by now you are either a liberal yourself, or you are simply not capable of paying attention.

Fourth- People who speak out against the acclaim given the movie are not attempting in any way to take away the right of two men to have sex (that might have been the silliest comment. Difficult to judge there are so many coming from the left). Who cares what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home? Certainly not me.

However, speaking out against a movement is another matter. It is everyone’s right, and some would say duty to speak out against things that they feel are being politicized, gay marriage not being the least of these national issues. “Gay” Hollywood continuing to push their liberal agenda is another.

Fifth- Tolerance is all the rage when it comes to accepting two men having sex. And to this I agree. We live in a free society and everyone has the right to pursue happiness as they see it. However, where is the tolerance in reverse when someone on this thread speaks out against something like gay marriage, or even a gay film?

the haters from the left come out in droves.

It seems that no one is allowed to question anything gay without the tired old homophobic comments flying.

And no one…and I mean NO ONE is more intolerant than an extreme liberal.

And, before any of you extreme liberals go there: I am not asking others to be tolerant of intolerance. What I am asking is that those who want to either embrace this lifestyle, or defend those who do to be more tolerant of someone’s free speech right to question it’s place in society.

Those of us who are pro traditional values have no right to name call. But on the other hand neither do the extreme liberals who push the homosexual agenda (and there is an agenda make no mistake about it). It seems that almost every thread I have been involved in the name calling is done by those who want to silence anyone who has the audacity (in their eyes) to question the place that homosexuality fits into today’s society.

Let the debate about Brokeback continue. But keep in mind there are always at least two sides to every issue. And simply because you are on one side and I am on the other does not make either of us evil.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
warlock wrote:
Do you have friends?

Do you want a hug?

Why do you need so much attention?

w

Lorisco should be asking you these questions. You have nothing insightful to provide to this thread and despite the fact that you appear to be liberated from religious ethics and testify of a black heritage, your comments are offending to homosexuals and African Americans alike.

Are you black? If not, how can you claim to speak as to whether or not African-Americans are offended.

There are quite a few black guys on this forum and none of them have taken offense.

I would be far more interested to hear what they have to say than what you do.

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african-american???

we’re so politically correct here.

PC people are just the most boring people in the world!

Well if you realy want to know what they think you should start a new thread!

w

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
warlock wrote:
Do you have friends?

Do you want a hug?

Why do you need so much attention?

w

Lorisco should be asking you these questions. You have nothing insightful to provide to this thread and despite the fact that you appear to be liberated from religious ethics and testify of a black heritage, your comments are offending to homosexuals and African Americans alike. [/quote]

And yoiu have not answered any of my questions…

w

Well to finish my participation in this non-sense (straight boys discussing homossexualim… hahhahahaha)

I’ve to say thanks for keeping me entertained.

Sorry i can’t take you seriously specially after being attacked for something that I didn’t say, I just reproduced a coment of somebodyelse.

To you straight boys: find a nice woman a have some sex.

For the homos: have sex.

good bye see you in the exercise realted forums.

love

warlock

It’s a sad day on T-Nation when the most popular threads are about gays, religion, and politics.

Anybody up for a workout?

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Are you black? If not, how can you claim to speak as to whether or not African-Americans are offended.

There are quite a few black guys on this forum and none of them have taken offense.

I would be far more interested to hear what they have to say than what you do.
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Maybe I have a black friend who read his posts and thought they were demeaning. Or maybe I can put myself in a black person’s shoes and say, “Gee, this guy is out of line”. Just because I’m not black doesn’t mean I can’t place myself in the psychological role of a black person. It doesn’t take a rocket-scientist or a professional psychologist to realize that humans think in common parameters to some degree. As far as blacks not taking offense to warlock’s statements in this forum, have they pm’ed you and told you so? Unless they have, don’t jump to conclusions.

You might have a poor gauge of what’s disrespectful and offensive or perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. I do realize one thing though, if his comments were directed at white people, I would be offended.

Yesterday while I was running at the track, two white girls were with two white guys and one of the guys jumped over a fence. One of the girls said to the guy, “you shouldn’t be able to do that, you’re not black” and added a comment about blacks being used to running from the cops. I was offended by her comment and I’m not even black. I didn’t appreciate her racist joke. If I was black, I could definitely imagine being offended by her words. Maybe you couldn’t care less after hearing a comment like that in a public environment. I don’t know.

Maybe I have superpowers or some type of extra sensory discernment which helps me filter what I say or write. Maybe it’s this power which helps me keep a job in culturally diverse atmospheres while at the same time maintaining a strong foundation of my beliefs. I don’t need to be an African American or a homosexual to know what speech might be considered offensive to one.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
RIGHT! KILL THE GAYS! THEY WANT US TO BE GAY LIKE THEM! BOOO! EVIL GAYS!

WE FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!

C’mon dude. This is pathetic.[/quote]

Right after I read the article about discerning propaganda, and the risk of being labels a homophobe for having that discernment, I read this post.

The irony is humorous. It looks like the article was dead-on!

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Why begin throwing insults vroom? Can’t you maintain a sense of dignity and class without offending him? Is that the way you talk to people who don’t share your values? For a person who preaches against intolerance, you sure prove to be a hypocrite!
vroom wrote:
Oh bullshit. First, it was funny. Second, Lorisco and I get a bit heated in our conversations. Don’t like it, don’t read it.
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Do I have to ask for your permission to comment on it vroom? I know you’re secretly employed by the thought police, so I know now that I require clearance from you to share my thoughts on a wide array of topics.

Intolerance of the intolerant masked to appear completely tolerant. Employing your own propaganda tactics vroom?