Brokeback Propaganda

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]makkun wrote:
I did not state any of those things you mentioned this topic. I never posted that gays were like pedophilia in this post.

This is your paragraph: “You have no basis to include gays in a minority status other than they have a deviant sexual lifestyle in terms of the majority, but so do pedophiles, those who have sex with animals, etc… So just because they are deviant doesn’t mean that grants them minority status.”
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Sorry, I forgot about the pedophile comment. While they are both deviant, it really is unfair to compare gay adults to pedophiles. My apologies.

Well, in the US, the term minority means more than just a smaller group. It is a legal protected status. That is what prompted my comments. And the fact is that you are the only one who agreed that they should not be a protected minority status. So if we are in agreement on that we can move on.

That is because apparently, vroom being from Canada, was not aware the “minority” had that meaning as well.

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But honestly, I am glad that you mean deviant only in a statistical sense, we agree on the legal minority status issue and you would not use the terms gay in the same sentence with sexual offences.
And I feared you were one of these guys who call themselves “homorepugnant”.

:wink:
Makkun[/quote]

I don’t think my personal feelings here are the issue, but if you want to know I think it is contrary to nature. It goes against the natural design or evolution of male/female relations.

Male and female fit together like pieces of a puzzle. The same male/male or female/female pieces don’t fit together. So it seems like gays are trying to force something that it not part of the natural process. So in that sense, I believe being gay is more in one’s mind than body.

Now, there are way more biological and psychological issues involved here, but I don’t want to start that topic up again. I’m just telling you my opinion.

Back to the topic at hand, I agree with Stellar, the movie is clearly sending a message. And the fact that it got all these awards demonstrates that fact.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

Dude, if I was a black guy, that would be fucking offensive! But since most of the black guys here are more PC than black, they won’t make a sound. Sad!

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Really sad that you write before reading/understanding teh whole thing.

Sorry but your statement is totaly out of context.

I have black blood and I totaly agree with that statemen that I was just reproducing. It actually was a black man that said that…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Let’s become Muslims so we can get rid of all the gays :slight_smile:

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hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhaahah

that was a great one.

w

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I had enough of this for today.

So a guy that calls himself straight instead of look for pussy watches a movie about manlove, them resarches an article of a guy that’s fucked in the head but believes that because he is a Dr his opinion is important and the so called straight dude publishes this stupid article in a BBing internet forum and the discussion starts.

Q1) why a straight guy wastes his time with gay shit?

Q2) If you believe in God why don’t you pray for him to solve the problem instead of give opprtunity to other people verbalize hatred and miscomceptions?

Q3)If you are a Bber why do you waste time discussing gay stuff in a BBing site?

Q4) If you are well educated, religious, succesfull, decent looking and are living in a big city why don’t you have a mate to fuck your brains out and make you think about something else than gay stuff or does sex only makes you think even more about it?

Q4) When did you last have sex?

Q5) Was it with a man or woman?

Q6) How much was it?

Q7) Do you want a hug?

xoxoxoxo

w

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I wonder about the concept of “gay propaganda”.

Who is going to be swayed?

I mean, can you imagine anyone that has a problem with the gay lifestyle leaving the theatre thinking that being gay is now okay?

Alternately, people who are already convinced that being gay is okay don’t need a movie with propaganda to help them feel that way.

Do you honestly think there are a lot of people with no opinion on this issue that will have their opinion decided by this movie?

Perhaps, in the real world, the only people that are going to see the movie are those that are already at peace with the gay community… and I’ll bet many people that are okay with the idea aren’t even going to go see it either.

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Lorisco,

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
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Sorry, I forgot about the pedophile comment. While they are both deviant, it really is unfair to compare gay adults to pedophiles. My apologies.[/quote]

Based on the fact that you use “deviant” only in a statistical sense, I accept that. Cool, not many here apologize for oversights like that. Respect.

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Well, in the US, the term minority means more than just a smaller group. It is a legal protected status. That is what prompted my comments. And the fact is that you are the only one who agreed that they should not be a protected minority status. So if we are in agreement on that we can move on.

[…]

That is because apparently, vroom being from Canada, was not aware the “minority” had that meaning as well. [/quote]

I still think you misunderstood Vroom there, but yeah, we agree on that.

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I don’t think my personal feelings here are the issue, but if you want to know I think it is contrary to nature. It goes against the natural design or evolution of male/female relations.

Male and female fit together like pieces of a puzzle. The same male/male or female/female pieces don’t fit together. So it seems like gays are trying to force something that it not part of the natural process. So in that sense, I believe being gay is more in one’s mind than body.

Now, there are way more biological and psychological issues involved here, but I don’t want to start that topic up again. I’m just telling you my opinion. [/quote]

Accepted. I personally think you got that wrong, but that would my personal view, and we really don’t need another “is being gay unnatural” discussion here.

As you can see from my previous posts answering Fat Tony, I think it get’s so much attention, because it’s an Ang Lee movie, not necessarily because it’s about gay people.

I’m glad we can lay this (and I hope the whole thread) to rest…

Makkun

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Interesting article here, that says an American psychologist found approximately 80% of homophobic men were aroused when exposed to gay porn. This would indicate that anti-gay feelings may sometimes be a manifestation of someone who is repressing their own homosexual desires.

I don’t see why some people want to have an opinion about other peoples’ sex lives. I think they should mind their own damn business.

I did see Brokeback Mountain, I went to see it on Christmas break (with my parents). We all enjoyed it, although i would say it’s merely just very good (and not great). Anyway, the message (propaganda, to use the phrase from the original stupid article) is that what made these characters unhappy was society’s intolerance towards homosexuality, that prevented them from leading the lives that they truly wanted to lead. So by extension, the “propaganda” would also be that society should be less judgemental.

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[quote]warlock wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

Dude, if I was a black guy, that would be fucking offensive! But since most of the black guys here are more PC than black, they won’t make a sound. Sad!

Really sad that you write before reading/understanding teh whole thing.

Sorry but your statement is totaly out of context.

I have black blood and I totaly agree with that statemen that I was just reproducing. It actually was a black man that said that…[/quote]

Really? Gays have been brought to this country against their will? They have been slaves against their will? They have been raped and killed as less than human? They have been disenfranchised for 100’s of years just because of the color of their skin? Been forced to have separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, schools, etc?

Words mean things Bro, and equating blacks with gays in the manner that you have is asinine and not remotely accurate.

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[quote]makkun wrote:
As you can see from my previous posts answering Fat Tony, I think it get’s so much attention, because it’s an Ang Lee movie, not necessarily because it’s about gay people.

I’m glad we can lay this (and I hope the whole thread) to rest…

Makkun[/quote]

Do you think it got the awards simply because it was an Ang Lee movie?

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Interesting article here, that says an American psychologist found approximately 80% of homophobic men were aroused when exposed to gay porn. This would indicate that anti-gay feelings may sometimes be a manifestation of someone who is repressing their own homosexual desires.

“This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.”
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I wonder how many heterophobic men get aroused by seeing hot women naked? Probably a lot! Must be because they are really straight but were convinced to be gay after seeing brokeback!

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Lorisco,

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
makkun wrote:
As you can see from my previous posts answering Fat Tony, I think it get’s so much attention, because it’s an Ang Lee movie, not necessarily because it’s about gay people.

I’m glad we can lay this (and I hope the whole thread) to rest…

Makkun

Do you think it got the awards simply because it was an Ang Lee movie?

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Practically all of his movies got a lot of praise )and revenues). Yes, he makes good and moving movies, and that’s why I guess this one will be a success as well, not because it’s about gay people. See me previous list of his accolades earlier.

Makkun

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I have liked Ang Lee’s movies, particularly Sense and Sensibility. I have not seen Brokeback Mountain and will probably not actively try to see it. It’s a good movie, I’m sure and the chances that I’ll watch it at some point are reasonably big. For some reason I’m more interested of the lifes of young women in 1900th century England than gay cowboys, though.

Since I have not seen it, I can not comment on the possible subversive aspects in the movie, but I doubt it can have any noticable negative effect on the society. The greatest threat to marriage as an institution are heteros themselves. The media’s and society’s over-sexualisation plays a big role in this, but the gay part in the big picture is quite small. It’s a spice at most, nothing more.

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Just a couple of days ago, some idiot walked into a gay bar in Boston with a hatchet, and tried to kill people in the bar. It’s been all over the news.

He later murdered a cop, and then he was killed in a shootout with police.

Gays do get murdered, just because they are gay.

Gays do not want “special rights” what they want and what they deserve are “equal rights”. In many states, you can be fired from your job, or denied housing (renting an apartment) just because you are gay. This is not true in every state, but a federal law would make sure that gays had equal rights in every state. Why should gays have less rights than other Americans? Because some people don’t like their sexuality? Those people should mind their own damn business.

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
They (gays) have been raped and killed as less than human?

Just a couple of days ago, some idiot walked into a gay bar in Boston with a hatchet, and tried to kill people in the bar. It’s been all over the news.
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Your quote of mine left off the part about skin color. Raped and killed because of skin color.

The only way this wacko would have known these guys were gay is because they were in a gay bar.

So the difference is that, just like hetero’s you don’t have to go around telling people who you want to have sex with. And without knowing this most of the time no one will know. And if they don’t know they won’t be able to discriminate. That is not true for skin color as you can’t hide that. THAT is the difference.

Apparently cops get murdered because they are cops as well.

Know one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preference. However, sexual preference by both gay and straight should be kept private.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:

Your quote of mine left off the part about skin color. Raped and killed because of skin color.

The only way this wacko would have known these guys were gay is because they were in a gay bar.

Know one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preference. However, sexual preference by both gay and straight should be kept private.
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There have been people I’ve known that I was pretty sure were gay though I never asked them. Pink muscle shirts, frosted tips, and an accompanying toy poodle is always a clue. I am sure there are people that experience discrimination without ever having to open their months.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
warlock wrote:
As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

Dude, if I was a black guy, that would be fucking offensive! But since most of the black guys here are more PC than black, they won’t make a sound. Sad!

Really sad that you write before reading/understanding teh whole thing.

Sorry but your statement is totaly out of context.

I have black blood and I totaly agree with that statemen that I was just reproducing. It actually was a black man that said that…

Really? Gays have been brought to this country against their will? They have been slaves against their will? They have been raped and killed as less than human? They have been disenfranchised for 100’s of years just because of the color of their skin? Been forced to have separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, schools, etc?

Words mean things Bro, and equating blacks with gays in the manner that you have is asinine and not remotely accurate.
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Asinine??? hahahahahaha

What is more asinine?

Myself reproducing the words of a black man or you that cann’t see the diference in between what I wrote and what you answered?

If you want to hijack the thread it’s up to you I’m out.

Yes words have meaning and sometimes it’s not about what is said but how people want to take it!

When did you last have sex with someone atractive and for free?

Who took my candy???

I’ll sue everybody here!

Give me a f***** break.

w

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So then gays should stay out of gay bars, and they won’t get attacked? What is your point?

To get back on topic, just because a movie has gay characters, does not make it “homosexual propaganda”.

This whole “homosexual propaganda” issue is a total joke and an embarrassment to those who spout off about it. You would think these holier-than-thou moralizing clowns would have learned, but maybe this issue is a good way to drum up donations among the ignorant?

SpongeBob, Barney promote ‘gay’ agenda?
61,000 schools to receive ‘We Are Family’ video with lesson plan
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42253

Falwell’s newspaper attempts to label `Teletubbies’ character as gay
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/1999/02/10/national0333EST0476.DTL

Something’s Swishy About Shark Tale
Cartoon Primes Kids with a Pro-Homosexual Message
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/11/afa/172004c.asp

To these people, I suggest seeking professional help.

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It gets awards because people vote for it. Obviously, popular opinion among the community voting, if it isn’t the same as the general public, is that the movie has value for some reason.

I didn’t see it, have no interest in seeing it, so I can’t argue about what they thought was good about it.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Do you think it got the awards simply because it was an Ang Lee movie?

It gets awards because people vote for it. Obviously, popular opinion among the community voting, if it isn’t the same as the general public, is that the movie has value for some reason.

I didn’t see it, have no interest in seeing it, so I can’t argue about what they thought was good about it.[/quote]

He can’t either but it sure makes it sound better to act as if he is a victim of “gay/liberal/religious” persecution.

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Lorisco,

[quote]Lorisco wrote:

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So the difference is that, just like hetero’s you don’t have to go around telling people who you want to have sex with. And without knowing this most of the time no one will know. And if they don’t know they won’t be able to discriminate. That is not true for skin color as you can’t hide that. THAT is the difference.

[…]

Know one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preference. However, sexual preference by both gay and straight should be kept private.
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Damn, no more hand-holding with my girlfriend in public. Kissing is out then as well. Ah, yes, no more going to those hetero-bars…

:wink:
Makkun