Brokeback Propaganda

ZEB · June 22, 2006, 4:29pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Before you pass judgement forlife, remember that Jesus is probably pretty unhappy with you working so hard to pervert the human race.

You’re the one that believes in Jesus, brother Ivan. It is you that needs to worry about whether or not your treatment of other people would make Jesus proud. I’m pretty sure that vulgarity and mockery of others doesn’t sit well with him though.[/quote]

More of the same eh forlife?

forlife thinks that if he keeps the topic on religion that he can sterotype everyone who opposes gay marriage as being a “closed minded fundamentalist.”

He has already learned that he cannot win the gay marriage debate on any other topic.

-Tradition…he loses

-Health statistics, he loses.

-Homosexual promiscuity, he loses.

-State ballot initiatives, he loses.

-How homosexuals actually got that way (no proof it’s genetic), he loses.

And while he also loses on religion as there is no major world wide relgion that promotes homosexualality, at least he can have a whipping boy to blame if he can just keep the topic on religion.

You are transparent forlife…

terribleivan · June 22, 2006, 4:35pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I’ll face Jesus, just like you will. Thanks for caring about me and well being when I do so

Any time…should I see you slipping into vulgarity and mocking others, I’ll be there to help you back onto the strait and narrow path. By keeping you from being a hypocrite, maybe I’ll even score a few points with Jesus myself.[/quote]

And, anytime I talk to an individual who is slipping his **** into another man’s ***, I’ll be there to tell him that it is not normal, and that God doesn’t like it. By keeping you from living in ignorance to the truth, maybe I’ll even score a few points with Jesus myself.

BTW - I don’t think any of your true Christan friends would call me a hypocrite. I’ve said before that I’m not perfect, so failing to live a perfect life doesn’t really show any hypocrocy. But, you have nothing else logical to say on this subject, so you might as well continue your trend.

Lorisco · June 22, 2006, 10:58pm

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
forlife wrote:
Back to vulgarity and mockery, Ivan? You’re a shining example of the Christian life. Jesus would be proud!

No forlife, he is just pointing out, as I did, that biologically gay male sex is contrary to evolution and survival of the fittest. Anal sex is wrong from a religious and biological perspective. It serves no purpose other than to spread disease.

Hey lorisco - have you noticed that forlife continues to bring Jesus and God into the equation. Nobody else seems to dwell on that but him. Care to guess why?[/quote]

That does seem to be odd. He uses Jesus to try and imply someone is being unchristian, but does appear to apply any Christian values to his own lifestyle.

Lorisco · June 22, 2006, 11:03pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
I would deny marriage to hetros if that were the only way they could have sex.

Lol!

So let me see if I have this straight (no pun intended). You think it is ok for a man to have anal sex with a woman as much as he wants, as long as he compensates by having vaginal sex as well? But if he only has anal sex then he is suddenly living in sin and should not be allowed to marry?

Does that not sound even a little squirrely to you?[/quote]

No, I’m not the judge of what a man wants to do with his wife. I may not approve of it, but that is his business. However, in the scenario, the man is adhering to the age-old criteria of one man and one woman. Their parts fit. It’s biologically correct.

But someone who wants to go against nature and then wants validation from the majority in the form of marriage is not going get that validation.

forlife · June 23, 2006, 3:47am

So you’re unwilling to judge a straight couple having anal sex, but you condemn gays for the same act. That is what we call a double standard.

Oh, and in case you forgot…40% of gays don’t even practice anal sex.

Why not just admit like SteveO does that your bias is totally based on religion?

steveo5801 · June 23, 2006, 4:55am

[quote]forlife wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Yes, I acknowledged this, but also told you that it is due to the radical Gay movement, but MOST AMERICANS STILL OPPOSE YOUR VIEW!

The point was that there has been a significant trend toward increasing acceptance of gays over time. We saw the same thing when it came to civil rights for blacks and women, and it is happening again with gays. The bigots don’t like it, but it is only a matter of time before their generation dies off and equal rights take another step forward.

This is a good ploy of yours. Attach my Biblical views to true evils of the past so as to marginalize God and the Biblical view.

Go back and study your history. The racial bigots used the very same bible to justify slavery. The misogynists used the very same bible to justify denying women the right to vote. What you now call “true evils” was at one time in our history considered completely normal, and was directly supported from the bible.

Marriage, until very recently, was 1 man + 1 woman.

Did you forget all the examples of polygamy I provided from the bible? You still haven’t provided that biblical verse that you claimed as proof that Abraham’s polygamy was considered a sin. That is because there is no such verse. Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham, and their polygamous union was sanctioned by society at the time. So much for marriage always being defined as 1 man + 1 woman.

What you engage in was regarded as a mental illness needing correction. That, sir, is a fact.

Every major medical and mental health organization in the world has concluded that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness as you claim. Again, you need to educate yourself instead of sticking your head in the sand as bigots are wont to do:

The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses in 1973. The American Psychological Association followed suit in 1975; the National Association of Social Workers in 1977; the National Psychoanalytic Association finally followed suit in 1991, stating that homosexuality was not a disorder.

From “Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel”:

"The most important fact about ‘reparative therapy,’ also sometimes known as ‘conversion’ therapy, is that it is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus there is no need for a ‘cure.’

In 1998-MAR, the Governing Council of the American Counseling Association (ACA) approved a motion that the association:
?opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation; and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based in ignorance or unfounded beliefs about same-gender orientation.

You don’t like it, as it serves your religious agenda to demonize gays as being mentally ill. But the facts are against you, and every major medical and mental health organization in the world says you are wrong.

What do you think God meant when He said that if you have sexual relations with a person of your own sex it is “abomination?” What do you think it means?

I think it means that the men who wrote that particular passage believed incorrectly that homosexuality was wrong…just as they believed incorrectly that slavery was justified and that women should not have a voice in public affairs.

Did you forget that the very same men also wrote that eating lobster, wearing mixed fibers, and eating blood is an ABOMINATION?

My viewpoint is that women cannot be pastors nor can they stand in the pulpit and teach men the Bible. That is what the Bible says and that is what we do in our church and churches like ours.

Actually, the bible says that women should not so much as speak in church. It also says that they must at all times have their heads covered. Do you still believe this is “God’s Unchangeable Word”?
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I am not going to go “point by point” anymore with you. READ my answers to your posts. You keep taking my answers out of context, or you repeat your mantras about God sanctioning things that He just doesn’t. You also keep bringing up the “lobster” thing which I already dealt with, but you IGNORE.

You are gay. You like being gay. You want all of us to like you being gay.

I have news for you…

…the first 2 things above is your right as a U.S. citizen as far as I am concerned. The last is ‘my’ business – I will never accept your sinful lifestyle and neither will God. The “people” who wrote the Bible made no such mistake. You would like to think so, so as to make yourself feel better about your sin. However, since God gave you a conscience like He gave to me and everyone else, there is a small part of your conscience that tells you that this is wrong. You know it but you won’t listen to it because you want to keep your sin.

Therefore, it is impossible to discuss anything with you to the contrary, because you will just scream “slavery” and “discrimination,” which is TOTALLY NOT THE ISSUE.

The Bible tells us NOWHERE that slavery is right. Anyone can USE the Bible…BUT…

The Bible clearly states that Sodomy (which, btw is the Biblical term) is ABOMINATION.

Period – end of story…

steveo5801 · June 23, 2006, 4:59am

[quote]forlife wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I don’t wish to be forced to have my tax money supporting their lifestyles which I believe is sin. The laws define what marriage is and therefore it is the state legislatures – the representatives of the people – who get to decide.

There is a strict separation between church and state for a very good reason. People do not have the right to enshrine their religious beliefs in the civic government, and expect others to live as they do. How would you react if a Muslim became President of the U.S. and declared that all women must wear a veil while in public because doing otherwise would be immoral?

You have the right to exclude gays from your church, but it is wrong to impose your religious views through legislation that affects people who see the world differently from you. I know you believe that your particular brand of religion is “The TRUTH”, but so do billions of other people in the world.[/quote]

You have the facts and history against you. Marriage is defined by the State Legislatures – it has always been defined by the States. In America, we the people elect representatives that make the laws. There is NOT ONE STATE of the union where they have voted for this.

We the people get to decide what is marriage and we the people have spoken. You are simply wrong.

You continue to try to make this a civil rights issue, but you then refuse to answer the next logical question which is – WHERE DOES IT END?

How about someone who loves goats, dogs, 5 people, 2 women and 1 man, 1 woman and one cat???

WE THE PEOPLE…NEVER FORGET THIS!

Also, THIS IS NOT A CHURCH and STATE ISSUE. IT is a STATE ISSUE and the states have spoken.

steveo5801 · June 23, 2006, 5:03am

[quote]forlife wrote:
So you’re unwilling to judge a straight couple having anal sex, but you condemn gays for the same act. That is what we call a double standard.

Oh, and in case you forgot…40% of gays don’t even practice anal sex.

Why not just admit like SteveO does that your bias is totally based on religion?[/quote]

Bias?

Clearly your “bias” is because you are GAY. So what?

My worldview is based upon Scripture, but I hate to break this to you:

I THOUGHT HOMOSEXUALITY WAS SIN WAY BEFORE I EVER BECAME A CHRISTIAN.

This has nothing to do with my faith. It has everything to do with the fact that your sin goes against nature, and while I can’t stop you from doing it – I have said that I really don’t care what you do – I WILL NEVER SUPPORT IT OR WANT MY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO BENEFIT YOU FOR IT.

I hope you can really understand what I am saying here and stop the BS about my faith, civil rights, etc…

Bias – that is really funny considering how biased you are.

terribleivan · June 23, 2006, 12:16pm

[quote]forlife wrote:

Oh, and in case you forgot…40% of gays don’t even practice anal sex.
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Thanks for that beautiful illustration of homo-love.

You are so blind forlife. You do everything you can to justify a poor life choice. First you tell us that lube makes it safe, and now you give us this.

Your bias is evident.

terribleivan · June 23, 2006, 12:18pm

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

I THOUGHT HOMOSEXUALITY WAS SIN WAY BEFORE I EVER BECAME A CHRISTIAN.

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Huge point Steveo - thanks for bringing it up. The same thing applies to me.

Forlife is on such a Christian bashing tirade that he probably will not even grasp this simple fact. Blinded by bias, what a surprise.

forlife · June 23, 2006, 1:42pm

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
You also keep bringing up the “lobster” thing which I already dealt with, but you IGNORE.[/quote]

Actually, you haven’t dealt with it. I’m just looking for some logical consistency in how you interpret the bible. You say that homosexuality is wrong because the bible calls it an ABOMINATION. Guess what? The bible also calls eating lobster an ABOMINATION. It says you should not wear mixed fibers or eat blood.

Your response is that Jesus “took care of all of that”. Again, you are doctrinally wrong. What Jesus claimed to fulfill was the law of moses, i.e., the sacrificial offerings that were supposed to portend his coming. He didn’t do away with the 10 commandments (given through Moses), with the commandment not to wear mixed fibers, with the proscription against eating lobster, etc. If you want to try and prove otherwise, be my guest…but beware that I know the bible at least as well as you do.

Even setting all of that aside, you have continued to ignore my point about the NEW TESTAMENT injunction against women speaking in church (not just women pastors), and against women having their heads uncovered. Hmmm…somehow it is now ok for women not to cover their heads in church, but you have no scriptural justification for doing away with that commandment.

The point of all this?

You are a smorgasbord Christian. You take from the bible what you want to believe, and blatantly ignore what you don’t want to believe. If women having their heads covered in church is no longer relevant, maybe the jewish cultural bias against homosexuality is also no longer relevant. Ya think?

forlife · June 23, 2006, 1:42pm

So you claim, but the racial bigots of the 19th century believed otherwise. They were absolutely convinced that the bible sanctioned slavery, and they used the bible to rationalize their bigotry just as you are doing with homosexuality.

Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.

Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina

A statement by a prominent 19th-century southern Presbyterian pastor, cited by Rev. Jack Rogers, moderator of the Presbyterian Church (USA).

United States Senator James Henry Hammond.

forlife · June 23, 2006, 1:43pm

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I THOUGHT HOMOSEXUALITY WAS SIN WAY BEFORE I EVER BECAME A CHRISTIAN. [/quote]

Many racial bigots and misogynists weren’t Christian either. What is your point?

terribleivan · June 23, 2006, 2:26pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I THOUGHT HOMOSEXUALITY WAS SIN WAY BEFORE I EVER BECAME A CHRISTIAN.

Many racial bigots and misogynists weren’t Christian either. What is your point? [/quote]

Many homosexuals are pedophiles and even more homosexuals engage in dangerous AIDS spreading sex with men they don’t even know. What is your point?

forlife · June 23, 2006, 4:12pm

If you were truly worried about gays spreading AIDS, you would support government sanctioned gay unions, since this has been shown to DECREASE the incidence of disease.

But that is not what you are about. You are far more interested in pushing a homophobic religious agenda than in actually helping people.

harris447 · June 23, 2006, 4:25pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You said that you were finished with this thread. You were not going to post here anymore. Why did you lie harris? Didn’t like how I treated you in the last couple of posts?

Get used to it. Eventually we all get what we deserve.

Also, you seem to be posting during school hours. Tell us all how this helps the children in your class?

Just more stealing from the school district huh?

Yea…it’s easy so why not? It would actually take some integrity to do what’s best for the district and the children in your class.

harris447 wrote:

Thank god you don’t like me.

You’re a pathetic, see-through bigot.

I actually went through some of your posts last night.

You claim (well, lie, actualy) that you “just want to help” people who are afflicted with the dread homosexuality.

Yet, you dont’t post about wanting to help obese people.Or the poor.

Etc, etc.

Actually, dim wit I’ve posted on plenty of topics from homosexuality to obesity, to helping people improve in the gym and many many other helpful posts. In fact, I just posted on another thread to help someone who has a chiropractic problem.

Where as you are here representing the underbelly of life. A hate line here a hate line there…Why don’t you go back over your own posts and read them out loud? I think you could gain a very good insight into what many of us already know. And that is, you are totally worthless to this site. Hopefully you mask your true self in your real life…but somehow I doubt it.

you call gays diseased sinners.

Actually I have never called gays “diseased sinners.” That little phrase like many of your posts is a lie.

If quoting from a government web site that the great amount of disease that homosexuals happen to have and pass along, bothers you perhaps you better take it up with The Center For Disease Control (CDC). As the information I posted largely came directly from their site.

I’ve said it before, and now I’ll repeat it; it’s been proven true by you evvery word: you don’t like fags.

Wrong again, it’s you I don’t like. And I can honestly say that I don’t feel that way about any other single person that I have ever debated with on this forum. But you really are a sick low life. A venomous little man who gets his kicks attacking people on the Internet.

I have no idea what has happened in your life that created your mindset. I can’t imagine what it would be but the bitterness that you carry is incredible.

And that I have held off this long in telling you off is a testimony to patience. That anyone on this site puts up with your crap past two or three posts is also utterly amazing. You need to count your blessings that TC has not booted your worhless butt off this great site by now.

It’s an ugly, small-minded wold view you have and I’m grateful that we’ll never have to meet in person.

All you have seen are posts in this thread and similar ones is that I am
in favor of traditional values. And opposed to gay marriage, Polygamy, incest, pedophilia and beastiality.

Now that’s small minded. LOL…

…you are one very disturbed individual.

The smell would be neauseating.

And all this coming from a guy who wants the government to sanction one man sticking his penis up another mans anus. And also finds polygamist marriage to be perfectly alright. Were you in favor of legalized drug use when you were taking drugs?

LOL…Go away harris…Time to stop stealing from the scool district. Get back to work, you have plenty of young minds to poison!

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AHHHH!

Now we come to the truth.

It’s not about helping people.

(No one ever believed that that’s what you were doing.)

It’s about the fact that you find a “man putting his penis in another man’s anus” repulsive.

Rights, freedom, equality…these all wither and die and the face of you finding something icky.

So icky that it’s tantamount to fucking dogs, right? And anyone that supports gay rights and calls you out for the bigot that you are must support bestiality and pedophilia, right?

That’s even dumber than terribleivan’s mouth-breathing, but it’s actully refreshing to hear what you really think.

Traditional values are anti dog-and-kid fucking. Good job, there, shithead. Surely, there will be a spot for you in “heaven” for your brave stance aginst these evils that are so widespread.

And the posting during school hours: have you ever heard of summer vacation, moron?

(PS: I did print out some of your posts and show them to some of my students before school ended. They now call stupid and bigoted people “Zebs.” You’re famous!)

ZEB · June 23, 2006, 5:33pm

[quote]harris447 wrote:

Now we come to the truth.

It’s not about helping people.

(No one ever believed that that’s what you were doing.)

It’s about the fact that you find a “man putting his penis in another man’s anus” repulsive.[/quote]

Most men do you horses ass!

What would ever make you think in your wildest homosexual dreams that heterosexuals are the least bit attracted to the main homosexual act?

You are so entwined in the politically correct homosexual mindset that you have lost control of reality.

But…It can be about more than one thing. You see adults can look at issues from more than one position. And they can like or not like something for a myriad of reasons.

If you were even 1/10th as smart as you think you are you would realize this, moron!

I would also suggest to you (this is going to come as a big surprise) that most heterosexual men find that one man putting his penis in another mans anus is repulsive!

Where were you when I said long ago on this very site: Calling people homophobic is inaccurate. It’s really more “homorepugnant.”

Men can tolerate homosexuality, (and should) but not many of us think that it’s an “attractive” lifestyle. And beyond that some are actually sickened by the act.

Maybe you missed that huge thread because you were actually teaching at the time and were not stealing hours from that poor shcool district that is unfortunate enough to employ a scum like you.

The politically correct left would love to take this natural right away from all of us. They are now dictating what you can and can’t feel repulsed by.

LOL

If they can say you should not feel repulsed by this behavior then they can use that to rationalize most anything huh?

What could be down the road?

What else can they condmn you about feeling “icky” about?

Let’s see…

harris has already stated that he does not think there is anything wrong with polygamy…That’s not “icky” to him.

So…let’s move on…Can you hear the politically correct left stating:

"What’s wrong with a man having sex with a 10 year old girl…oh you don’t like it because you think it’s ‘icky.’

"What’s wrong with the guy having sex with his German Shepard…Oh you don’t like it cause it makes you feel “icky?”

harris your head is so far up your ass that I’m sure at this point you don’t find anything “icky.” After all, smelling your own crap for all these years sort of makes you immune…Ha ha…

I’m sure that they say whatever they think you want them to hear. You grade them right? But in reality I’m glad you showed them all my posts. Especially the ones that speak to the issue of homosexuals and physical and emotional health. The CDC has some great facts regarding this issue.

While they pay you lip service they just might be thinking twice about the politically correct bullcrap that you have been shoving down their throats.

Of course I’m sure that you brainwashed many young minds into thinking that Polygamy is perfectly normal? And that homosexuals should have the right to marry? And that George Bush is really an evil guy? And that the VP is somehow making millions because of all that Iraq oil.

And…Whatever else politically correct leftists like you think.

You need to actually get out more. Not to the gay clubs, but to middle America. More people agree with me on traditional values than you harris.

That’s why an average of 71% of all people who actually get to vote on the gay marriage issue have given it a resounding NO!

As soon as you pull your fat head out of your ass and start smelling fresh air again, you might start to understand how hopeless you and your positions are.

Then again after reading your posts for the last few years…I don’t hold out much hope for you.

ZEB · June 23, 2006, 5:43pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
If you were truly worried about gays spreading AIDS, you would support government sanctioned gay unions, since this has been shown to DECREASE the incidence of disease.[/quote]

As if a marriage certificate is going to prevent the single most promiscuous group of adults from having sex with others.

Funny stuff!

And this is where forlife wants to keep the argument!

“Homophobic religious agenda.”

You will read those words on his posts many times. He wants you to think that the only people who are against two homosexuals getting married are fundamentalist Christians.

But…like much of what he has posted that too is a lie!

-An average of 71% of all people who have voted in state elections on the gay marriage initiative have voted it DOWN! They also voted it down to accept a homosexual “married” couple from any other state in the union!

And keep in mind that not many of the 71% are Christian fundamentalits. The average person does not want homosexual marriage. And that’s what forlife does not want you to know.

But back to religion…

…how many of the worlds major religions promote homosexuality? ZERO

Keep posting forlife we are getting closer to 100 pages! And you are helping me spread the truth.

ZEB · June 23, 2006, 7:08pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote: