Breakfast Question

Nutrition
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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
elusive wrote:
At 280, you’re a big fucking bastard. You know what your doing.

lol

Right, I thought this was gonna be a “you little mofo’s can ask me how to eat breakfast in this thread.”

I’ll just go ahead and tell you:

step one: fill syringe with AAS cocktail.

step two: inject said cocktail into own ass.

step three: admire physique in mirror.

the breakfast of champs![/quote]

Ha Ha, your a fucking jackass.

Dude, you obviously don’t grasp certain concepts that some people around here do. I honestly feel bad for you.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:

Go ahead and show me what I said that you disagree with, and I’d be glad to tell you why you’re wrong.[/quote]

You are Nominal Prospect aren’t you?

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
What you need to understand is this: all progress is made by simply doing the things that make a difference day in and day out with mind-numbing consistency.

As an example: consider the thousands of people who have built a ton of muscle over the years, what two things do they ALL have in common?

  1. they all added weight to the bar in a progressive manner over time

  2. they all ate enough protein to repair muscle, and enough calories to fuel growth

That’s it. Beyond that, there are a billion different things that they will tell you are the “keys” to their success.

But guess what? 95% of the time, what they think are the keys, don’t fucking matter AT ALL (whether it be not eating carbs after 7:00PM, or seperating macronutrients, or keeping workouts to under 40 minutes, or whatever).

What they don’t get, and what you apparently don’t get either, is that if they just stuck to doing the things that actually make a difference, and stopped obsessing over all the other shit they think is so goddamn important, they would have made the exact same amount of progress, with much less worry/hassle.

So, in conclusion, if separating out your meals into P+C and P+F allows you to sleep better at night, fine do whatever you like. Just understand that even if you DIDN’T, your progress won’t suffer as long as you keep on doing the things that matter (which is apparent that you have been.)[/quote]

Hows that working for you?

Care to post a picture and some weight/bf and lifting numbers? Obviously something this extreme would need some personal results to back it. I’m curious, it’d make our lives easier :slight_smile:

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
What you need to understand is this: all progress is made by simply doing the things that make a difference day in and day out with mind-numbing consistency.

As an example: consider the thousands of people who have built a ton of muscle over the years, what two things do they ALL have in common?

  1. they all added weight to the bar in a progressive manner over time

  2. they all ate enough protein to repair muscle, and enough calories to fuel growth

That’s it. Beyond that, there are a billion different things that they will tell you are the “keys” to their success.

But guess what? 95% of the time, what they think are the keys, don’t fucking matter AT ALL (whether it be not eating carbs after 7:00PM, or seperating macronutrients, or keeping workouts to under 40 minutes, or whatever).

What they don’t get, and what you apparently don’t get either, is that if they just stuck to doing the things that actually make a difference, and stopped obsessing over all the other shit they think is so goddamn important, they would have made the exact same amount of progress, with much less worry/hassle.

So, in conclusion, if separating out your meals into P+C and P+F allows you to sleep better at night, fine do whatever you like. Just understand that even if you DIDN’T, your progress won’t suffer as long as you keep on doing the things that matter (which is apparent that you have been.)[/quote]

Is this trolling or is this a super-serial post, cannot tell the difference

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I don’t know how the hell you can manage 10 whole eggs, let alone adding in some oats too. If I eat 3 whole eggs I feel full, and start to get that nautious feeling. You are one big bastard for sure, you are leaner than I was when I was 280.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
elusive wrote:
At 280, you’re a big fucking bastard. You know what your doing.

lol

Right, I thought this was gonna be a “you little mofo’s can ask me how to eat breakfast in this thread.”

I’ll just go ahead and tell you:

step one: fill syringe with AAS cocktail.

step two: inject said cocktail into own ass.

step three: admire physique in mirror.

the breakfast of champs![/quote]

hah I’ve been drug free for 6 months thanks, does this bother you?

What I am telling you is this: combing all three macros into one meal allowed me to reach 280 lbs, albeit it was sloppy, say 17% bf.

I then cut down to 265 lbs.

I Now have bulked up to 280 pounds again by separating my macros and I am MUCH leaner, stronger and I am at the same weight.

I have used both approaches and AT THIS TIME, separating the macros is what is giving me the best results, I don’t know why you can’t understand that?

And no, I don’t read the articles. I am here for the BOI thread, to help out other lifters who have questions and the SAMA forum. The only article I read is the atomic dog.

Don’t know why you have an issue because I follow my EXPERIENCE instead of some dudes articles. Building muscle is not accomplished by following a blanket approach, you have to do what’s best for you.

I’m sorry you feel so inadequate that you have to talk shit because I don’t follow your advice. To be honest, you are in no position to offer me advice.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Articles don’t mean shit to me.

wait, if this is true, then why the fuck are you on this site in the first place?

obviously you already know what “works for you” and have closed off your mind to any information that may contradicts your preconceived notions. so why don’t you sign off and do what you know “works”?[/quote]

This makes me laugh firstly because

  1. I’m 280 lbs at 20 years old, I think I can say I do know what works for me.
  2. There are these things called forums, they are those things you like to troll
  3. How can you tell me what I’m doing is not working when it is clearly producing results? That just makes no sense.
  4. I have no problem making changes to what I’m doing. I have followed the advice of cephalic_carnage, prof X, and other vets which have allowed me to reach the size I am now. Everyone who has ever offered an answer to a question I have asked has helped me grow. It has opened my eyes to other possibilities and has allowed me to broaden my experience.

HOWEVER, I have made zero changes to my routine based on articles. I repeat ZERO.

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[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
Dammit Jmo, Must you shit on every thread?

Im just curious Way, whats your daily eating like? like grams of each macro?[/quote]

Sure man, I have no idea on macros although I do eat an obscene amount of protein. Here’s my meals in order.

50g whey 5g leucine
10 whole eggs +1 1/2 cups oats mixed with skim milk
75g whey +4 tbsp EVOO
Pre W:50g whey +30g waxy maize +5 leucine +5g creatine
Peri W: 25g whey+30g WM+5g leucine
Post W: 75g whey +60g WM +10g leucine +5g creatine
1.5 lbs ground sirloin +handful spinach leaves+salsa
75g whey +4 tbsp EVOO
2 chicken breasts +handful spinach leaves
4 tbsp natty PB +1 cup 4% cottage cheese
50g whey +5g leucine

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what I just don’t understand is this: you come here asking if you should make a change to your diet. you LITERALLY fucking ask: “is this not even a big deal?”

I come along and tell you that no, it is in fact NOT a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it. Then I direct you to two articles explaining WHY it’s not a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it.

but after all of that, you simply ignore it and come up with some lame ass reasoning that you “know what works”.

so I ask you this: why come to a message board seeking advice if you already fucking know what you’re going to do? why ask if something is a “big deal”, if you’ve already decided that it is and you’re going to change it?

why not just fucking do it if you’re that sure? do you need our blessing? are you that insecure that you need us to affirm the actions that you’ve already decided to take.

this isn’t trolling. this is a serious question. I await your response.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
what I just don’t understand is this: you come here asking if you should make a change to your diet. you LITERALLY fucking ask: “is this not even a big deal?”

I come along and tell you that no, it is in fact NOT a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it. Then I direct you to two articles explaining WHY it’s not a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it.

but after all of that, you simply ignore it and come up with some lame ass reasoning that you “know what works”.

so I ask you this: why come to a message board seeking advice if you already fucking know what you’re going to do? why ask if something is a “big deal”, if you’ve already decided that it is and you’re going to change it?

why not just fucking do it if you’re that sure? do you need our blessing? are you that insecure that you need us to affirm the actions that you’ve already decided to take.

this isn’t trolling. this is a serious question. I await your response.[/quote]

I probably said that because you came in acting like a smart ass. I don’t like the condescing overtone that basically implies I am retarded for even asking this question. Then you made comments like, if everyone just stopped worrying about the little things and just ate etc etc they would be better off.

I am not some beginner lifter Jmo, things become more complicated at this point. I intend to compete and I don’t want my bodyfat levels to go to high. Do me a favor, go look at mightystu’s diet. He said he wants to stay within 15-20 lbs of contest shape, you think he can maintain that by the “just eat” mentality? All of the competitors on this site have pretty strict diets. Hussayn is another example, and Prisoner is by far the best example I can give.

Countless individuals have gotten results by watching their nutrient paring, which tells me it works. Shit, by your reasoning I might as well start doing CW workouts. He’s always putting out articles saying how his way will help you build a ton of muscle blah blah blah, but were are the real life examples? There are none.

To answer your last question. I don’t know if or what I am going to change, as I’m typing this I am eating my 10 whole eggs and my oats, you should be happy.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
what I just don’t understand is this: you come here asking if you should make a change to your diet. you LITERALLY fucking ask: “is this not even a big deal?”

I come along and tell you that no, it is in fact NOT a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it. Then I direct you to two articles explaining WHY it’s not a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it.

but after all of that, you simply ignore it and come up with some lame ass reasoning that you “know what works”.

so I ask you this: why come to a message board seeking advice if you already fucking know what you’re going to do? why ask if something is a “big deal”, if you’ve already decided that it is and you’re going to change it?

why not just fucking do it if you’re that sure? do you need our blessing? are you that insecure that you need us to affirm the actions that you’ve already decided to take.

this isn’t trolling. this is a serious question. I await your response.[/quote]

No, this IS trolling. Some of us in here want to actually learn something rather than walk on water and baptize babies in the Jordan River like you claim to do in your small little pathetic world.

Reading peoples questions and replying with articles is a sure way to be a troll. I’m sure you think HMB is eqivalent to Deca too. Cuz, u know… its in a fuckin article.

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BTW Way, thanks for sharing your eating habits. I’m somewhat tall like you and I’d like to get up in muscle weight also, be it 15 or 50 lbs.

I think Ferrigno was somewhere in your weight range on stage, am I right?

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[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
what I just don’t understand is this: you come here asking if you should make a change to your diet. you LITERALLY fucking ask: “is this not even a big deal?”

I come along and tell you that no, it is in fact NOT a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it. Then I direct you to two articles explaining WHY it’s not a big deal and you shouldn’t worry about it.

but after all of that, you simply ignore it and come up with some lame ass reasoning that you “know what works”.

so I ask you this: why come to a message board seeking advice if you already fucking know what you’re going to do? why ask if something is a “big deal”, if you’ve already decided that it is and you’re going to change it?

why not just fucking do it if you’re that sure? do you need our blessing? are you that insecure that you need us to affirm the actions that you’ve already decided to take.

this isn’t trolling. this is a serious question. I await your response.

No, this IS trolling. Some of us in here want to actually learn something rather than walk on water and baptize babies in the Jordan River like you claim to do in your small little pathetic world.

Reading peoples questions and replying with articles is a sure way to be a troll. I’m sure you think HMB is eqivalent to Deca too. Cuz, u know… its in a fuckin article.
[/quote]

did you actually READ the articles I provided? because if you did you would realize how fucking ignorant you sound right now.

and if you think answering people’s questions in a timely and coherent manor while proving links to multiple articles by respected thinker/authors in the field of bodybuilding nutrition is trolling, then you need to recheck your definition of trolling.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
elusive wrote:
At 280, you’re a big fucking bastard. You know what your doing.

lol

Right, I thought this was gonna be a “you little mofo’s can ask me how to eat breakfast in this thread.”

I’ll just go ahead and tell you:

step one: fill syringe with AAS cocktail.

step two: inject said cocktail into own ass.

step three: admire physique in mirror.

the breakfast of champs![/quote]

I can’t believe JMoUCF87 just claimed that he haven’t been trolling in this thread.

He’s shown some intelligence in the past, but he seems to need to be perceived as a nutrition guru.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:

I’m simply going to respond by posting these two articles and simply say “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”.

Carbs and Fat: Friends After All? by Alan Aragon (smart guy, check out his stuff)

Bodybuilding Nutrition Round Table:

http://www.alanaragon.com/bodybuilding-nutrition-roundtable-alan-aragon-will-brink-jamie-hale-layne-norton.html

^^^ pay close attention to this part: “J Beaty: What are your thoughts on the reemergence of the macronutrient food combining theory where carbs shouldn’t be mixed with protein/fat meals and fat shouldn’t be mixed with protein/carb meals?”

Now, read and be enlightened.[/quote]

Nothing in either article was enlightening or relevant to gaining muscle with minimal fat. Any studies that were mentioned were only about calorie deficit/fat loss situations. Muscle gain is NOT just some inverse or opposite process of fat loss. You can’t logically generalize that what matters for fat loss is the same thing that matters for muscle gain, and certainly not the more complicated situation of increasing muscle mass but not fat mass.

Aragon offers the reasoning (not empirical evidence) that when eating frequently, there will always be carbs and fats floating around in the blood. But that’s only partially true. The biggest response to a normal-size meal is going to be in the first hour or so. If you eat every 3 hours, blood sugar will likely be back to baseline or below well before your next meal.

And there is the just-as-reasonable reasoning that in the presence of carbs, fat is going to preferentially get stored for future use. (Note I did not say insulin, but rather any carb providing glucose for energy regardless of insulin levels). Storing fat is fine when you’re in a deficit and need to mobilize it at some point later in the day anyway, but when you’re in a surplus to gain muscle, I don’t see how that’s so good. In a calorie surplus, you can probably get away with a small amount of fat in a P+F meal, but regularly taking in calorie surpluses of carbs and fat together sounds like a good way to increase fat mass.