[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
No bigger pussies in all of sports than baseball players, and I’m a huge baseball fan. Waaaa he’s watching his home run waaaaaaa. The Braves like to run their mouths at people and can’t handle when it comes back at them, so they act like crybaby pussies.[/quote]
None of what you said made sense.
If you got in a man’s face and called him a motherfucker in bar, would onlookers declare it “crying?” McCann challenged him short of taking the first swing in a venue where taking an open swing really isn’t appropriate, especially in the 1st inning when his team needs him behind the plate.
I’m pretty sure all fights, assaults and murders start with something verbal.
And, fighting, checking, tackling isn’t in the design of the sport. So, calling someone a motherfucker when he shows you up (which is certainly not crying, again - it’s defending your honor in the most reasonable way short of spearing someone. I don’t know many men who have a pair of balls who like getting shown up on national TV.
Too many kids grow up nowadays without a pair of balls. They can’t even recognize when they’re being shown up. It’s probably because everyone tells them to “stop crying” when other players take cheap shots at them. Scouts love watching a pitcher get pissed and brush a guy back when he takes a big swing; they write “fierce competitor” in their notes section and offer them a bigger signing bonus.
[quote]BennyHayes wrote:
Lost in all of this is that the Braves managed a meager two hits all night. In this game, and in the prior 20, are hitting an anemic .204. First round sweep in playoffs, anyone?[/quote]
watching your home run is a natural reaction to hitting a homerun, you would need a sand dune up your vagina to get butt hurt over that which clearly the braves have enough to fill the sahara desert. Flipping the bat is another issues.
[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
He didn’t even watch his homerun that long before they started talking shit…fuck the braves[/quote]
Being from Mass I am assuming you are a Sox fan. Braves fans like the Sox because they took a lot of the attention off of us when we fell apart in 2011 by falling apart even better than we did.
All joking aside, I don’t know what their deal is with the end of the year but it is exhausting as a fan to watch you very talented team come apart at the seams every year when it matters most.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
No bigger pussies in all of sports than baseball players, and I’m a huge baseball fan. Waaaa he’s watching his home run waaaaaaa. The Braves like to run their mouths at people and can’t handle when it comes back at them, so they act like crybaby pussies.[/quote]
None of what you said made sense.
If you got in a man’s face and called him a motherfucker in bar, would onlookers declare it “crying?” McCann challenged him short of taking the first swing in a venue where taking an open swing really isn’t appropriate, especially in the 1st inning when his team needs him behind the plate.
I’m pretty sure all fights, assaults and murders start with something verbal.
And, fighting, checking, tackling isn’t in the design of the sport. So, calling someone a motherfucker when he shows you up (which is certainly not crying, again - it’s defending your honor in the most reasonable way short of spearing someone. I don’t know many men who have a pair of balls who like getting shown up on national TV.
Too many kids grow up nowadays without a pair of balls. They can’t even recognize when they’re being shown up. It’s probably because everyone tells them to “stop crying” when other players take cheap shots at them. Scouts love watching a pitcher get pissed and brush a guy back when he takes a big swing; they write “fierce competitor” in their notes section and offer them a bigger signing bonus.
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This. The Catcher/Pitcher thing is pretty similar to a QB and his Center. Know one calls it crying when lineman step in to fight their QB’s battles for them. I am really hoping that some of that fire they showed the other night can carry over and help them a in the playoffs because they are not really looking like a contender right now.
[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
He didn’t even watch his homerun that long before they started talking shit…fuck the braves[/quote]
Being from Mass I am assuming you are a Sox fan. Braves fans like the Sox because they took a lot of the attention off of us when we fell apart in 2011 by falling apart even better than we did.
All joking aside, I don’t know what their deal is with the end of the year but it is exhausting as a fan to watch you very talented team come apart at the seams every year when it matters most.[/quote]
You assumed correct. Red Sox all day. Yeah, this is a very good year for us(as an added bonus the yankees are not even in the playoffs,lol) But, trust me I know the feeling very well. Boston has gone through it and then some. I don’t get it either when teams fall apart at the end.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
For those of you saying watching your home run shot is not a big deal, do you consider a blatant disrespect of the opposing team and a lack of sportsmanship no big deal? Because that is what watching your home run ball is considered in baseball. Gomez knew exactly what he was doing and exactly the message he was trying to deliver to the Braves without actually saying anything when he watched that ball. [/quote]
I still don’t understand your point. It’s not like he really took that long to get going. He started walking immediately and then within 5 seconds of destroying the ball (count the time in the vid) he is jogging. He wasn’t pointing at it saying “look what I did” or being overly dramatic about it. Like I said, I don’t really follow baseball, but that seems like a gross over-reaction by the other team. I’ve seen plenty of homeruns where the batter will watch the ball for just about the same amount of time before making their move.
It seemed to me like the bigger issue in this was the verbal stuff b/w the batter and the catcher first and then the batter and everyone else after that haha. But everyone wants to act like he was very disrespectful watching the ball and that’s why all this started. I don’t believe that- there was bad blood before that…
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
For those of you saying watching your home run shot is not a big deal, do you consider a blatant disrespect of the opposing team and a lack of sportsmanship no big deal? Because that is what watching your home run ball is considered in baseball. Gomez knew exactly what he was doing and exactly the message he was trying to deliver to the Braves without actually saying anything when he watched that ball. [/quote]
I still don’t understand your point. It’s not like he really took that long to get going. He started walking immediately and then within 5 seconds of destroying the ball (count the time in the vid) he is jogging. He wasn’t pointing at it saying “look what I did” or being overly dramatic about it. Like I said, I don’t really follow baseball, but that seems like a gross over-reaction by the other team. I’ve seen plenty of homeruns where the batter will watch the ball for just about the same amount of time before making their move.
It seemed to me like the bigger issue in this was the verbal stuff b/w the batter and the catcher first and then the batter and everyone else after that haha. But everyone wants to act like he was very disrespectful watching the ball and that’s why all this started. I don’t believe that- there was bad blood before that…[/quote]
I didn’t necessarily think that the back and forth before the at bat was unfriendly. The stare down with Maholm after the first swing let you know that Gomez had more than just this at bat on his mind, which was fine. Even the watching it and the slower trot would have been fine by me if you wanted to rub it in a little on a pitcher that hit you. But don’t open your mouth. By Gomez’s own admission he started the verbal.
“When I hit the homer, I said, ‘Now we’re tied.’ And they began to tell me things,” Gomez said.
What he said about McCann “If I’m a catcher, I do the same thing,” Gomez said. “I try to protect my pitchers, my teammates. I respect McCann, all his players.”
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
It’s not about ‘watching’ the homerun, he only did that for a second or two. It’s about the fact that he ran his mouth at Maholm while circling the bases. THAT is the part that caused Freeman and McCann to react the way they did. THAT is the part that makes Gomez a shitbag.
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I just watched it again, with sound this time. Clearly the catcher & 1st baseman started it. Gomez just reacted to them. Sure he “mired” his blast but not to a degree to anywhere near warrant that reaction. Those Braves players completely over reacted. Can’t believe that catcher didn’t get tossed. He was the biggest instigator.[/quote]
Incorrect. McCann and Freeman said nothing until Gomez started jawing at Maholm. The reason it seems that they were jawing first was because Gomez was running his mouth almost immediately out of the box (and if you’re using the video at the top of the thread then find another one that shows this). And they weren’t yelling at him for his split second look at the ball, they were yelling at him because he was yelling at Maholm. Period.
Again, most people and the media seem to think this particular incident had to do with “admiring” the homerun, it did not. It had everything to do with Gomez opening his mouth and hollering at Maholm. Gomez says nothing, the Braves say nothing. End of story.
Also find it funny that those in the thread are calling baseball players pussies. You would never say that to the face of someone like Matt Holliday or Evan Gattis.
[quote]rugbgod wrote:
It’s not about ‘watching’ the homerun, he only did that for a second or two. It’s about the fact that he ran his mouth at Maholm while circling the bases. THAT is the part that caused Freeman and McCann to react the way they did. THAT is the part that makes Gomez a shitbag.
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I just watched it again, with sound this time. Clearly the catcher & 1st baseman started it. Gomez just reacted to them. Sure he “mired” his blast but not to a degree to anywhere near warrant that reaction. Those Braves players completely over reacted. Can’t believe that catcher didn’t get tossed. He was the biggest instigator.[/quote]
Incorrect. McCann and Freeman said nothing until Gomez started jawing at Maholm. The reason it seems that they were jawing first was because Gomez was running his mouth almost immediately out of the box (and if you’re using the video at the top of the thread then find another one that shows this). And they weren’t yelling at him for his split second look at the ball, they were yelling at him because he was yelling at Maholm. Period.
Again, most people and the media seem to think this particular incident had to do with “admiring” the homerun, it did not. It had everything to do with Gomez opening his mouth and hollering at Maholm. Gomez says nothing, the Braves say nothing. End of story.
Also find it funny that those in the thread are calling baseball players pussies. You would never say that to the face of someone like Matt Holliday or Evan Gattis.
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Watch the 2nd clip again. The one from behind the 1st base line. You can clearly see Gomez isn’t dong anything but admire. You can clearly hear someone yelling at him, I think either the pitcher or catcher. They’re saying something like “you better fucking run”. Not that it matters much.
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Watch the 2nd clip again. The one from behind the 1st base line. You can clearly see Gomez isn’t dong anything but admire. You can clearly hear someone yelling at him, I think either the pitcher or catcher. They’re saying something like “you better fucking run”. Not that it matters much.[/quote]
You do realize that Gomez ADMITTED that he yelled first (he yelled “now we’re tied”)? I reckon he would know seeing as how he was there and all…
But you’re right, it’s not a big deal (no sarcasm).
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
For those of you saying watching your home run shot is not a big deal, do you consider a blatant disrespect of the opposing team and a lack of sportsmanship no big deal? Because that is what watching your home run ball is considered in baseball. Gomez knew exactly what he was doing and exactly the message he was trying to deliver to the Braves without actually saying anything when he watched that ball. [/quote]
I still don’t understand your point. It’s not like he really took that long to get going. He started walking immediately and then within 5 seconds of destroying the ball (count the time in the vid) he is jogging. He wasn’t pointing at it saying “look what I did” or being overly dramatic about it. Like I said, I don’t really follow baseball, but that seems like a gross over-reaction by the other team. I’ve seen plenty of homeruns where the batter will watch the ball for just about the same amount of time before making their move.
It seemed to me like the bigger issue in this was the verbal stuff b/w the batter and the catcher first and then the batter and everyone else after that haha. But everyone wants to act like he was very disrespectful watching the ball and that’s why all this started. I don’t believe that- there was bad blood before that…[/quote]
There was certainly bad blood before that. But you don’t watch baseball so you don’t know why it’s considered disrespectful and unsportsmanlike to mire a home run ball. If you don’t watch baseball there’s nothing I can do to explain that to you.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
For those of you saying watching your home run shot is not a big deal, do you consider a blatant disrespect of the opposing team and a lack of sportsmanship no big deal? Because that is what watching your home run ball is considered in baseball. Gomez knew exactly what he was doing and exactly the message he was trying to deliver to the Braves without actually saying anything when he watched that ball. [/quote]
I still don’t understand your point. It’s not like he really took that long to get going. He started walking immediately and then within 5 seconds of destroying the ball (count the time in the vid) he is jogging. He wasn’t pointing at it saying “look what I did” or being overly dramatic about it. Like I said, I don’t really follow baseball, but that seems like a gross over-reaction by the other team. I’ve seen plenty of homeruns where the batter will watch the ball for just about the same amount of time before making their move.
It seemed to me like the bigger issue in this was the verbal stuff b/w the batter and the catcher first and then the batter and everyone else after that haha. But everyone wants to act like he was very disrespectful watching the ball and that’s why all this started. I don’t believe that- there was bad blood before that…[/quote]
There was certainly bad blood before that. But you don’t watch baseball so you don’t know why it’s considered disrespectful and unsportsmanlike to mire a home run ball. If you don’t watch baseball there’s nothing I can do to explain that to you. [/quote]
I PLAYED baseball from 9 years old until 22, then again from 32 to 36 and I still don’t get many of the unwritten rules of baseball. As a fan I like to see that it’s not a nine to five job for the players. I like to see that they love it and still have passion for the game. When JT Snow whacked a Randy Johnson fastball off the top of the outfield wall, popped up from a slide into 2nd with a good ole american boy “FUCK YEAH!” for everyone to hear, I loved it. That’s the kind of enthusiasm I want to see from the players. Not all this stoic bullshit.
When Gomez 'mired his blast he did it with a hell of a lot of attitude which is hardly the same as my JT Snow example. JT wasn’t showing anyone up and Gomez was, however, while I know nothing of the history involved in this circumstance, I’m smart enough to know that what we saw was a build up of bad blood that came to a head.
If all the players could just play the game with open enthusiasm without having to worry about offending someone’s delicate feelings this kind of bullshit would never happen. Half the time I think these players get offended because they think they’re supposed to be offended, not that they really are. Then they get themselves all worked up.