Brain Function Boosters

Nutrition
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
TheBlade wrote:
I tried moda, and been on it for a few months at a time. You can get it online. It’s like $60 for 20g, which is enough for a while, because I think you need at most 40mg a day or something like that (IIRC).

I haven’t noticed that much of an effect from it, at least stimulant-wise. A friend said he can stay awake on very little sleep on it, but I haven’t noticed that much of a difference:(. Memory-wise or focus-wise I can’t really tell whether it has an effect.

If you’re only using 40mg then I’mm not surprised.

I take 200mg for a dose, although I know one girl who does just fine off 100mg.

Bushy[/quote]

I would like to know that source,…you say you’re getting 20g for 60.00???

the international antiaging site is selling 3gms for 150.00 plus shipping/tax…so what gives…?

            Something doesn't add up here..
                Can you enlighten us further...maybe you got some bunk shit...cause I've never heard of it being that cheap..
                   ToneBone
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InTheZone,
Check these out. You can buy them at any health food store.

Nature’s Herb for Mental Alertness
(Bacopa monniera) Bacopa Monnieri is considered a fine “brain tonic” that has been used for centuries to improve mental and brain functions, enhance clear thinking, support learning and memory.

Traditional applications already suggest that it has a direct effect on increasing concentration, and modern laboratory tests claim that Bacopa provides antioxidant protection for the critical memory centers and helps to reduce the effects of stress on the brain.

The traditional therapeutic dose (standardized to 20% bacosides A and B) for adults is 200�??400 mg extract daily, respectively, in divided doses.

Vinpocetine Vinpocetine is a derivative of Vincamine. It facilitates cerebral metabolism by improving blood flow to the brain, boosting brain cell ATP production, and increasing utilization of glucose and oxygen by neurons. Vinpocetine increases the production of Noradrenaline and Dopamine, contributing, in this way, to the release of Serotonin and the concentration of Acetylcholine.

Research has shown that the effects of this compound go beyond mere prevention and turn it into a Powerful Memory Enhancer. Most studies showing positive benefits from vinpocetine have been done at amounts of 10 to 30 mg/day

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I just ordered some oxiracetam. 800mg pills, 30 for $24.99. Bushy, when you said 800mg was too much for you, what kind of effects, or side effects did you have? If Ilike this stuff I’ll go through bulk nutrition next time.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I never really got on with the mind power mix to tell the truth.

In fact I have a sealed tub sitting in my kitchen cupboard.

I think it may be the acetly-l-carnitine as that stuff just seems to make me a bit dull and sleepy for whatever reason…

I think you’ll like the vinpo/oxi combo, but if not, try my method of gradual oxi administration rather than one big hit.

CHJoline is cool. I like it before a workout as the neuromuscular junction is ‘powered’ by acetylcholine, and I get a noticeable performance increase whist training. It requires less mental drive for a greater effect. For me, anyway :wink:

Good luck in class tonight TBN. Anatomy is great, but she’s also a hard bitch.

Bushy[/quote]

Hi Bushy, Yeah I liked how I felt for the first round during last nights class…had a bit of that first day anxiety that I get, and thought all the goodies might expand that, but actually, It had a calming focused effect that was fantastic…I am picking up a digital voice recorder today for the lectures…that’ll be invaluable…

         thanks for all the guidance on this topic for me Bushy.... what can I say, you've put your mark on this site, with all the help you give so freely to people..

     You can be found all over the site, making relaxed, articulate, and accurate comments that help us all a great, great deal...

                Awesome Guy..
                   TBN
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This is one of the greatest threads ever. Can’t believe I just stumbled upon it now.

I have never tried brain boosters other than Power Drive and spike (both Biotest products), and I have gotten some great mental stimulation from Sclaremax (which used to be in many Biotest products)and the components found within HOT-ROX. Geez…I’m sounding like a Biotest tool…but by golly they really do work for me.

I was waiting for something written here with regards to combining the Vinpocetine with something like Spike. I believe they work entirely by different mechanisms but I’m not sure since I am surely not a chemistry or biology expert by any means.

Is Vinpocetine similiar to Ginko? Ginko increases blood flow to the brain and Vinpocetine has similiar text written about it.

This is something I just have to try.

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I know for the most part 17/18 year olds shouldn’t be taking all that much in besides food, work, and rest, but I’m taking 4 AP classes plus i have the SAT and ACT to take again. Could I use Vinopocetine, Oxiracetem, Choline, etc, as a boost? I already use Power Drive with some good results, help would be appreciated, thanks.

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Hi all, great thread. I’ve been trying Vinopocetine and man it’s great. I’m also trying oxiracetem at the end of the week.

Has anyone tried Deprenyl? Centrophenoxine? Or Hydergine?

(It’s fun trying new supps, ain’t it? Biotest is making me a supp slut. I’ll try anything…HAH!)

cheers, ~katz

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alright, well i read through most of the thread, but my main question is: what should i get? I’m interested in trying these nootropics especially since i lost my adderall source and i wasn’t fond of taking it that much to begin with.

so if i’m studying for exams what should i be looking towards getting? i don’t want to take that much and i especially don’t want to spend that much because my Biotest supps take priority and i need to save some cash for those monthly haha. thanks guy

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Well vinpocetine is incredibly affordable. $10.00 will get you a months supply. Definitely take it everyday, because it does seem to work better as time goes by.

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My brother has narcolepsy and gets Provigil (modafinil) for it. I was just talking to him about it after reading this thread and he said its great, especially because his doctor had him on some amphetamine before. All the things Bush said about it he confirmed.

So the question for Bush or anyone else with experience, is it something you can dose for a short period of time? Or is it more effective as a daily supplement? My bro has to take it every day, so he couldn’t really help me on this.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I would strongly recommend anyone to get the vinpocetin.

The benefits are too numerous to ignore, especially when you see that there are zero negatives, as far as anyone can tell.

Even if it were 5 times the price, I would probably still get it, I would just sacrifice other stuff, like choline which is a bit of a waste of time IMO. I’m not even sure that it is absorbed from the GI traxct fully.

Anyway, I do likle Huperzine A, which is known to slow the breakdown of ACH, thus improving the capacity for the brain to activate memory storage.

I guess that if I had to sum up my all time winning combo, in order of their importance in the stack, it would be:

Vinpocetine (3 x 10 mg ED)
Modafinil (200mg upon rising)
Spike (yellow, caffinated vesion, 1 cap with the moda).

However this is a pretty intense studying stack. The sort of combo that can have you wide awake and FULLY alert in an 8am pathology lecture, answering questions with speed and surety, whilst others around you are still struggling with their ‘morning miasma’.

Also, modafinil is a controlled substance now, I believe. I doubt you’d get into too much bother over it, but some countries/states are fiercer than others of course.

Bushy[/quote]

Great update Bushy, I had neglected to check on my thread in some time, and am happy to see so many friendly faces on board now…Looks like a great combo there…wish I could afford the moda, I’m sure it would probably arrive through the mail w/out too many problems…but the price is pretty steep for someone like me unfortunately.

           Well I'm going to take my Vinpo,Oxi, and the choline/creatine, and get to studying for these exams I have today in Anatomy. Two back to back, lecture/practical....wish me luck guys...I'll need it..lol.

                 thanks to all of you,
                   ToneBone
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Thought I’d share this…

Adrafinil is metabolized into Modafinil in the body, and is not a controlled substance in the US.

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[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
Thought I’d share this…

Adrafinil is metabolized into Modafinil in the body, and is not a controlled substance in the US.[/quote]

Hey thanks Brant, this looks really promising as far as getting into the states without any worries…on legalities…and if indeed it does work very very similar or equal to moda…you’ve just solved my problem as far as that is concerned…now let me just try and price it, hopefully that’s a rosy picture too…lol…

                 thanks bro,
                   ToneBone
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I would strongly recommend anyone to get the vinpocetin.

The benefits are too numerous to ignore, especially when you see that there are zero negatives, as far as anyone can tell.

Even if it were 5 times the price, I would probably still get it, I would just sacrifice other stuff, like choline which is a bit of a waste of time IMO. I’m not even sure that it is absorbed from the GI traxct fully.

Anyway, I do likle Huperzine A, which is known to slow the breakdown of ACH, thus improving the capacity for the brain to activate memory storage.

I guess that if I had to sum up my all time winning combo, in order of their importance in the stack, it would be:

Vinpocetine (3 x 10 mg ED)
Modafinil (200mg upon rising)
Spike (yellow, caffinated vesion, 1 cap with the moda).

However this is a pretty intense studying stack. The sort of combo that can have you wide awake and FULLY alert in an 8am pathology lecture, answering questions with speed and surety, whilst others around you are still struggling with their ‘morning miasma’.

Also, modafinil is a controlled substance now, I believe. I doubt you’d get into too much bother over it, but some countries/states are fiercer than others of course.

Bushy[/quote]

Busy, I read what MODOK said about aniracetam - have you tried it? Any thoughts on it versus oxi? Also, what are your thoughts on Deprenyl?

Cheers to all! ~katz

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Hmmm, I may have to look into the Oxiracetam again.

I’ve been going with piracetam on and off for about 3 years or so now. Strangely, sometimes I feel it works great, other times, nothing. I ran out recently.

Aniracetam- Still have a tub left. My first tub was phenomenal. Words flowed better, instant recall, as with piracetam, but it was accompanied by a strange sense of calm.

Oxiracetam- still have the original tub. Only tried it about 5 times. Terrible headaches, fuzzy brain, mentally feeling exhausted. Tried smaller doses and large doses, same effect.

After reading some of the feedback here, maybe I should sip it over a few hours time.

Vinpo is great, as long as I don’t overdo it, where I get crazy headaches.

Choline comes from Schiff lecithin caps now. Tried the bulk Alpha-GPC and wound up with a migraine no matter what the dose.

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Here’s a question I have in regards to all of this. Are there any of these drugs/supplements that do not risk interfering with one’s sleep? Everybody has their weak link and mine is my sleep. If there is stress going on in my life, my sleep is the first thing to suffer. If a drug/supplement can provoke insomnia, it definitely will provoke it in me.

So, I am looking for nootropics that definitely DO NOT have that effect. In other words, if you tell me nootropic “X” only causes insomnia in 1 percent of cases, believe me, I would be a member of that one percent.