Anyone ever tried taking modafinil with reboxetine? The reboxetine should potentiate it.
Bushy:
I just turned 30
no have not had my hormones checked, as of yet.
what should i be looking for?
and could you elaborate on this statement:
“Sounds like either thyroid or test/est issues to me”
thyroid could be causing what exactly?
and test/est (estrogen)? could be not normal? too high of estrogens? too low of ?
Thanks
j2048b
Bushy thanks man!
lets see…
libido, is ok? Wife is prego so until recently have been like rabbits 2-3 x’s a week?
(read in her to be expecting book that a mans libido actually decreases due to the stresses of her being prego and stuff like that)
strength in gym? Well, it seems as though everytime i look at weights these days i get injured!!
have not been able to excersize due to possible hernia (again!!!)(
but eat like a horse!
will find an endocrinologist and see what they say?
thanks again Bushy!!
[quote]j2048b wrote:
hey mc_neumann do you think there will be any side effects to taking the mix of nootropics that you recently purchased?
Just wondering, because i really want to buy some but do not know what to get, when to take them each, and if i can mix and match?
Any help with these symptoms with regards to suggestions of nootropics :
moodyness(snap like a twig)
lazzyness(lack of energy, and finishing projects)
foggy minded(can’t keep my thoughts to one subject long enought to finish)?
and nootropics help will be appreciated, ALL suggestions welcomed!
J2048b[/quote]
I’m not mc_neumann, but I do recognize that your symptoms are consistent with depression, and if you have depression, nootropics aren’t going to fix it.
Also, if your diet is very low-carb, that may cause all or part of the problem. I learned that for me, I need a certain amount of starchy carbs regularly in order to maintain mental health.
Finally, if you’re taking stimulants like ephedra, a lot of caffeine, and/or yohimbine, stop. After coming off, carefully evaluate whether they contribute to the irritability (although I doubt they’d be responsible for all the other symptoms). It is possible to do fine on stimulants for a long time, but later (usually in conjunction with higher stress levels) have them cause anxiety and irritability.
[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Anyone ever tried taking modafinil with reboxetine? The reboxetine should potentiate it. [/quote]
In theory. I take another type of NRI (reboxetine is not legally prescribed in the USA, thanks to the FDA) along with moda (Provigil) and I’ll be damned if I notice improvement. But I’m not the best testimonial for that, considering I completely burnt out my CNS from past drug abuse. Seems I need a whopping dose of anything to notice an effect, now.
[quote]mc_neumann wrote:
I found a website that supplies Oxi, Ani, and Pi, along with vinpo… lots of supplements minus modafinil of course. Modafinil still illudes me.
OK, I have purchased Huperzine A, Vinpo, Brain Octane 350, and Adrafinil. Wait the ten days it takes for shipments to arrive at camp and I will be in business.
Any other suggestions out there?[/quote]
Hey Mc, how's it been man?
I’m just wondering if you tried the supps seperately at first to determine effectiveness of each, or if you have just combo’d it from the get go?
If seperate, or if you can tell, how do you like the brain octane so far? And the Adra, is it going down nice with good results for you? Really curious as that’s my plan to a T pretty much, I’ve just been laggin on getting them due to finances for a while now. I plan on getting the brain octane and Adrafinil here very soon though, and the vinpo needs to be replaced soon too. That should get me going till I can get some Huperzine to round it all out.
Anyway, just interested to hear how things are working out for you lately.
Haven't been here in a good while now, glad to see you all are still contributing. And Bushy's always a big "plus", can't keep a good man down eh Badboy?!!
cheers guys,
ToneBone
Well, I thought I’d add my Adrafinil experiance to the thread. I ordered mine about three weeks ago, but the company had to wait for it to arrive from Europe; however, once it was received I received them the next day, so I’m happy about that.
Woke up around 4:30 and eagerly took my little white pill. Normally I drink a couple cups of coffee, but for the sake of purity I abstained this morning. Went for a quick 20 minute run. From D3HT09’s posts I expected that the effects would kick in between the 60-90 minute marks, and in retrospect, I should have had that coffee.
Got home, quick creatine and BCAA cocktail then shower and breakfast, after which I began to study the lymphatic system. A little after an hour I found myself getting irritated that my eyes were moving too slow. Not physically moving slower, but I was processing the information faster than I could read it, if that makes sense. I finished that bit of schoolwork in about 3/4 of the time I estimated it would take me, so that nice, I like being productive.
Since I was done early, I wanted to wait a little longer for my food to settle before hitting the gym, so I turned on Food Network. That might have been a mistake. After about 5 minutes I got out some paper and began taking notes, recipe ideas, and so forth. If you have never watched “Tylers Ultimate” go do it. The man is a genius.
So I was a little late to my planned workout, but not by much. Physically I didn’t notice much of a difference, but you know when you’re just gasping for air after a hard set and your mind is shot for a little bit, and telling you “Don’t do it again!”? I found that mentally I was ready to do another set quicker. Oh, and fuck meltdown training. That shit is awesome.
So now I’m back in the books and still dealing with “Slow Eye Symptom.” So, here are my overall conclusions.
1.) The effects are much more subtle than I expected. I’m going to try 60mg tomorrow.
2.) I think having a quick acting stimulant before this would be nice to “jump start” you, and then enjoy the level energy provided by the Adra. I’m picking up some Spike Shooters from GNC later today.
3.) Speed metal sounds awesome right now.
4.) I like the effects it has both for studying and in the gym. I do notice a “feel good” effect also.
Ok, I’ll give another update later today, and then I’ll be doing some Kentucky liver poisoning tonight, so I’ll let you know how the Adra affects that whole process.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Hey gang, as a guy in his early forties, I need some help with memory retention and focus for my Anatomy class which starts in about three weeks.
This class is pretty hard, and I have on hand some supps for help with retaining of information and concentration and such,…
I have Vinpocetine, and there’s Spike which helps too…
What would someone recommend for taking supps for this, as far as supp timing/scheduled dosing etc…
Classes are on Tues/Thurs nights from 5:30-10:30 I believe…so I don’t want to “overstim” before class, but I am a geezer so wtf? lol…
Seriously any help would be appreciated.
p.s. there was a period of moderate/heavy pot smoking in the earlier years which isn’t helping the short term memory banks at all…can you relate??
thanks,ToneBone[/quote]
Lay off the stimulants.
B Vitamins will do the trick. Especially B12. Give it a shot.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Hey gang, as a guy in his early forties, I need some help with memory retention and focus for my Anatomy class which starts in about three weeks.
This class is pretty hard, and I have on hand some supps for help with retaining of information and concentration and such,…
I have Vinpocetine, and there’s Spike which helps too…
What would someone recommend for taking supps for this, as far as supp timing/scheduled dosing etc…
Classes are on Tues/Thurs nights from 5:30-10:30 I believe…so I don’t want to “overstim” before class, but I am a geezer so wtf? lol…
Seriously any help would be appreciated.
p.s. there was a period of moderate/heavy pot smoking in the earlier years which isn’t helping the short term memory banks at all…can you relate??
thanks,ToneBone
Lay off the stimulants.
B Vitamins will do the trick. Especially B12. Give it a shot.
LOL! Did you even read the thread?
The OP is looking for something considerably more potent than just “B vitamins”.
Nice try.
Bushy[/quote]
I read the first page and saw that people were recommending nootropics. My take on it is that he should start with the basics before taking substances that are foreign to the body.
And B Vitamins are extremely potent. I have tried dozens of supplements, nootropics among them. B12 is still the most potent supplement I’ve ever tried. And we are talking about oral supplementation. If I was injecting the stuff, which I aim to start doing soon, then I can’t imagine how potent it would be.
B12 is a miracle drug and it is not foreign to the body, unlike nootropics.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Hey gang, as a guy in his early forties, I need some help with memory retention and focus for my Anatomy class which starts in about three weeks.
This class is pretty hard, and I have on hand some supps for help with retaining of information and concentration and such,…
I have Vinpocetine, and there’s Spike which helps too…
What would someone recommend for taking supps for this, as far as supp timing/scheduled dosing etc…
Classes are on Tues/Thurs nights from 5:30-10:30 I believe…so I don’t want to “overstim” before class, but I am a geezer so wtf? lol…
Seriously any help would be appreciated.
p.s. there was a period of moderate/heavy pot smoking in the earlier years which isn’t helping the short term memory banks at all…can you relate??
thanks,ToneBone
Lay off the stimulants.
B Vitamins will do the trick. Especially B12. Give it a shot.
LOL! Did you even read the thread?
The OP is looking for something considerably more potent than just “B vitamins”.
Nice try.
Bushy
I read the first page and saw that people were recommending nootropics. My take on it is that he should start with the basics before taking substances that are foreign to the body.
And B Vitamins are extremely potent. I have tried dozens of supplements, nootropics among them. B12 is still the most potent supplement I’ve ever tried. And we are talking about oral supplementation. If I was injecting the stuff, which I aim to start doing soon, then I can’t imagine how potent it would be.
B12 is a miracle drug and it is not foreign to the body, unlike nootropics.[/quote]
Prospect,
It’s just a wee bit late in the game to respond to the very first post now isn’t it? And if B12 is getting your skirt up, hey that’s great. We’ve been over and through a very large and diverse amount of substances during the life of this thread. Some stimulant oriented, some not.
You are about the only person out of a shitload, that’s touting B12 as a super duper supplement. And yes I have been on par with your basic supplementation for a long time buddy. Next time read through a decent amount of the thread before you spout off on the Killer B’s. “I read the first page” is slightly lame to say the least as to what this thread has been about. The whole point of it IS NOOTROPICS.
I agree B12 is a GOOD thing, just not the end all of brain stimulation and health.
ToneBone
andersons,
Thanks for the input, yeah it does sound like depression but if you research the thyroid stuff it acts as depression when it may/may not be.
So i guess i will go see the doc and see what i can be tested for?
Thanks for the input.
B-12?
or
~20 pages of solid nootropic information?
How did we not think about B-12? Jesus we’re idiots. Maybe we should have loaded up on more nootropics so we wouldn’t have made this mistake. Oh wait, it wouldn’t have mattered because we were forgetting the B-12 the whole time!
To be fair, Prospect has a decent point, but to be fair again he shouldn’t have suggested his blatantly simple solution as gospel without having read more of the thread.
Just a quick pop-in,
I’m still taking the Adrafinil regularly. As the effects have evened out (everything isn’t a new revelation anymore), I have stopped posting. There are a few updates that I would like to mention though.
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The buildup effect is very real. I have noticed less of an effect on Mondays (I take weekends off), than Wed, Thu, Friday. Also, the drug “carries over” to Saturday. I find an extra kick, and it is MUCH easier to wake up. This leads me to believe that some people might get a better lasting effect by not coming off for the weekends. Conventional wisdom still says that people should come off once and a while to give the liver a break, though.
-
2 pills (600mg)is the SHIT. Sorry for the profanity, but there is no other way to describe it. 600mg completely jacks me up, it is almost too much (but still no jitters). I save this for when I want to go out with friends and be “On Point”, or if I think that I could be draggin’ a bit in the gym. Endless mental energy, great conversations, good mind/ muscle link, etc. But, I haven’t tried drinking with this in my system. I’m a bit leery of mixing the two.
-
I have tried a bit of caffiene as a kickstart. I’m not a big fan. I have found that my roommate responds to this med better with a bit of caffeine. Maybe some of us are conditioned to associate uppers with a slight jittery feeling? This is no doubt a subtle upper, with no jittery or jumpy side effects (why I love it so much). For those who aren’t getting as much of an effect, try 600mg (2 pills) spaced 1 hour apart with LOTS of water. I have noticed that water intake makes a BIG difference in overall effect.
-
On a side note, my roomate has been experimenting with this compound as well. This guy has naturally high levels of energy, and doesn’t notice much of an effect. Caffeine seems to help with a kickstart. 600mg, seems to work as well. He claims 1 pill does nothing for him, but I have seen some of the effects (staying up later, more focused in work or activities). I am under the impression, it is so subtle that the effects for him are not so extreme as they are with me.
Or, there is the other theory that possibly he is so used to the side effects of other uppers (jittery , jumpy, etc), that he associates a chemical energy lift, with the sides. His upper of choice is usually ritalin or lots of Red Bull.
Anyway, I’m off to lurk around again.
Peace,
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
Just a quick pop-in,
I’m still taking the Adrafinil regularly. As the effects have evened out (everything isn’t a new revelation anymore), I have stopped posting. There are a few updates that I would like to mention though.
-
The buildup effect is very real. I have noticed less of an effect on Mondays (I take weekends off), than Wed, Thu, Friday. Also, the drug “carries over” to Saturday. I find an extra kick, and it is MUCH easier to wake up. This leads me to believe that some people might get a better lasting effect by not coming off for the weekends. Conventional wisdom still says that people should come off once and a while to give the liver a break, though.
-
2 pills (600mg)is the SHIT. Sorry for the profanity, but there is no other way to describe it. 600mg completely jacks me up, it is almost too much (but still no jitters). I save this for when I want to go out with friends and be “On Point”, or if I think that I could be draggin’ a bit in the gym. Endless mental energy, great conversations, good mind/ muscle link, etc. But, I haven’t tried drinking with this in my system. I’m a bit leery of mixing the two.
-
I have tried a bit of caffiene as a kickstart. I’m not a big fan. I have found that my roommate responds to this med better with a bit of caffeine. Maybe some of us are conditioned to associate uppers with a slight jittery feeling? This is no doubt a subtle upper, with no jittery or jumpy side effects (why I love it so much). For those who aren’t getting as much of an effect, try 600mg (2 pills) spaced 1 hour apart with LOTS of water. I have noticed that water intake makes a BIG difference in overall effect.
-
On a side note, my roomate has been experimenting with this compound as well. This guy has naturally high levels of energy, and doesn’t notice much of an effect. Caffeine seems to help with a kickstart. 600mg, seems to work as well. He claims 1 pill does nothing for him, but I have seen some of the effects (staying up later, more focused in work or activities). I am under the impression, it is so subtle that the effects for him are not so extreme as they are with me.
Or, there is the other theory that possibly he is so used to the side effects of other uppers (jittery , jumpy, etc), that he associates a chemical energy lift, with the sides. His upper of choice is usually ritalin or lots of Red Bull.
Anyway, I’m off to lurk around again.
Peace,[/quote]
Hey buddy!
Great summary of effects, and it’s good to see you back with it. I should be getting my Brain Octane any day now, and I’ve got another mix containing Huperzine and some others but at a decent amount of each. I plan on getting some of the Adrafinil but my finances make it a slow process. I wasn’t too sure about Adra after bushy said he didn’t get much out of it, but from what you’ve posted it looks like a solid alternative to Moda for me. Takes a lot to get Bushy’s cage rattled, ha,haaa.
Anyway, I'll be needing it, as my class looks pretty challenging. Keep us updated for any new developments bud. Glad it kicked butt for you.
ToneBone
[quote]roweski wrote:
I got a small pack of modalert on wednesday and decided to take it alone yesterday to really FEEL what kind of effect it would have on me.
Well it all started out great. A higher sense of awareness, and faster thought process after about an hour [100mg]. I spent some time with friends a couple of hours after ingestion of said 100mg, and i was on top form making jokes and quips and generally being talkative, but not to the point where everyone thought i was on speed!
I felt i had better short-term memory, which has always been a problem for me. Whilst the improvement wasn’t huge, i was able to do small things like remember more digits on a phonenumber i was given as i was writing it down.
I liked it, but it’s noticibility was starting to wear off, so i took another 100mg.
When i got in, about 2 hours later, that’s when things started to go a tad nuts. I felt a bit over stimulated. I was shaking, slightly - much like after a couple of large coffees, or two spike’s, and felt generally on edge and jittery. That’s when i noticed something really unexpected and frankly worrying: i started getting small chest pains, and arrhythmia [sp?].
These came and went throughout the whole evening, but weren’t really causing a problem, barely noticable. I just put it down to the ‘full dose’, for a moda newb, and left it at that. A few hours before bed, the symptoms completely dissapeared.
I woke up feeling very refreshed mentally, today, though i don’t think my body was keeping up with the lack of sleep. I was yawning and had the urge to go back to bed even though i wasn’t tired. I took 50mg, hedging my bets, had breakfast and then went to school. I noticed it. My CNS was fried from a low-rest lactate session the night before, and i suspect this was why i felt the same jitterness as after taking the full dose. It was okay, quite clearly not as good as the first, but i’d imagine that was a fair bit of placebo anyway.
I felt the strong heartbeat again today but no arrhythmia, and seemed to sweat alot more than usual. I took another 50mg, at 11 - first dose was at 6am. At school i was extremely productive, working hard and feeling like information sank in quicker.
Went to the gym again today [1pm] for a quick deadlifting session, and felt really powered up. I got into the music more than usual, humming along to rage against the machine as i set everything up. I was pretty productive, and felt no shakes, arrhythmia etc [i did have a strong heartbeat but i put that soley down to the iron].
Driving home road rage was a major issue, and since then i have been completely intollerable. I found myself just wanting to tear some friends ‘new one’s’, which was thoroughly undeserved.
Just taken another dose of 50mg as i’m going out tonight and didn’t want to drink, but still want that chatty, playful edge i seemed to get with the first dose. I’m feeling a strong heartbeat, not irregular, but just very strong, like it’s pounding against my ribs almost. Bpm is around 65-70.
So far, it’s been good - ignoring the cardio stuff. I like the ‘edge’ and sociability it gives you. I’ve found that i don’t have to ‘move’ my head, i just think about it and it happens. Wow, that sounds odd. But it’s more fluid and feels like my mind and body are more connected to better effect.
Still the downsides, for me at least, were pretty severe. They weren’t life-altering, just undesirable, and considering the symptoms were to do with my heart, i’m suspicious of taking it again.
I’ll give another update sometime tommorrow, no doubt.
-Rowesk[/quote]
Interesting, some of it sounds like Moda, and some of these effects don't at all. Real Moda has no effect on the cns, and this sounds quite strange, especially at the dose you described taking.
Where did you get your generic Moda? Bushy indicated that the generic Moda had different effects for him than the top dollar version as well, in fact to be accurate “no effects” worth noting. You never know, this could be counterfeit and/or mixed with something else to give a “similar” high to the mental stimulation that Moda gives a user, in an effort to sell a dishonest product.
Having said that, could be you’re very sensitive too. I would be skeptical about it being genuine though if you’re getting any kind of “arrhthmia”, and/or “sweating” etc. from it’s use. Again can you tell us where you purchased the product?
ToneBone