Now Iāve ordered:
Swanson Dmae Complex (130mg 100 Capsules)
Swanson Herb Vinpocetine (10mg 90 Cap)
Hoping it will arrive in a week or so.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Vinpo, ani, dmae.
With food, to aid vinpo absorbtion.
ALCAR f*cks me up a treat - do not want!
BBB[/quote]
thanks! i think i read you lived in/around wales? i just might be making a trip out there some time next yearā¦ i might have to come see you and get some work done!
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
ALCAR f*cks me up a treat - do not want!
BBB[/quote]Even at high dosages I didnāt notice any stimulatory effects whatsoever.
(ā¦always taken with an empty stomach)
Got the DMAE and Vinpocetine 3 days ago, so ordering to Norway works 
Looking forward to the results, having an exam at the end of January.
What are your thoughts on PEA (Phenylethylamine). Itās supposed to be a mood enhancer, however it looks like maybe it doesnāt cross the blood/brain barrier, or is blunted/blocked. Supposedly, taking a MAO inhibitor helps with utilization but this makes me a little nervous (overriding the bodyās natural functions). Is that potentially risky? Are there any mild MAO inhibitors that are easy to find and inexpensive? Is it even worth the effort, seeing as how there are many other ways to skin a cat?
BBB, would you mind PMing me your email, I have some questions.
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Are there any mild MAO inhibitors that are easy to find and inexpensive? [/quote]
Picamilon has very similar in itās effects compared with other MAOās, and itās awesome. Cheap too.
I apologize for being an annoying thread bumper, but Iāve made a couple posts that seem to have flown under the radar. :-p Iām in a really challenging program right now and my first round of exams are coming up, so Iām looking to really optimize my nootropic use.
BBB, could you lay out what youād consider the optimal/ultimate nootropic stack? Budget isnāt so much an issue, though Iām limited to things I can obtain quasi-legally. Prescription only stuff is off the table, but Iām open to research chem stuff (e.g hydergine, selegiline, etc).
I also recently tracked down Adrafinil, but I donāt how you feel about that. Personally, I thought it might be useful on rare occasions for writing long papers or longer ācramā sessions.
Anyway, here is my current stack. I take this 3 times per day with food.
Fish oil: 2-3g
DMAE: 500-750mg
Vinpo: 30mg
Aniracetam: 750mg
Iāve been adding in a dose of Oxi (800mg) with my morning dose, which is prior to my classes. (Iām not sure how well itās workingā¦ kinda thinking I maybe felt better keeping the racetams separate.) Before a study session, I use Oxi. Results have been noticeable and good, but of course improvements are always welcome!
Would you suggest any alterations or additions to this?
After reading throuh the booster threads, I probably need a B complex. I was also thinking about using bacopa semi-regularly.
I went throuhj all the threads that I could find about nootropics. Iāve boiled my noostack down to this.
Vinpocetine: 3x/day @ 10 mg with food(fat)
DMAE bitartrate(~30%DMAE): 1-2x/day @ 600mg(2x/day when studying)
Aniracetam: 3x/day @ 600mg(take these with fat):
Oxiracetam: ĆĀ½ hour before studying 600-800mg
Bacopa: 600mg 30-60 minutes prior to an exam
Basically what I thinking. I canāt help but fall into the āmore is moreā mentality. I want more compounds, dammit! 
Hahahahaā¦ I guess the only two things Iām still curious about are hyderigine and meclofenoxate (Lucidril) vs. DMAE. Iām not looking to simply throw money away of course, but the noops have had such a noticeable effect for me that Iām eager to optimize things.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Are there any mild MAO inhibitors that are easy to find and inexpensive? [/quote]
Picamilon has very similar in itās effects compared with other MAOās, and itās awesome. Cheap too.[/quote]
Thanks for the response. Wikipedia says that Picamilon is a vasodilatorā¦ since Iām currently taking 1,3-Dimethylamylamine which is a vasoconstrictor, I think I need to skip the Picamilon for now (I donāt use Vinpocetine for the same reason).
Heh, I wonder if I could occasionally use the PEA and Picamilon on an off day, and only use 1,3-Dimethylamylamine on training days, with no health risks? I admit my interest in PEA is purely recreational, and I would be satisfied with infrequent usage.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I went throuhj all the threads that I could find about nootropics. Iāve boiled my noostack down to this.
Vinpocetine: 3x/day @ 10 mg with food(fat)
DMAE bitartrate(~30%DMAE): 1-2x/day @ 600mg(2x/day when studying)
Aniracetam: 3x/day @ 600mg(take these with fat):
Oxiracetam: Ć??Ć?ĆĀ½ hour before studying 600-800mg
Bacopa: 600mg 30-60 minutes prior to an exam[/quote]
And that is golden.
Q: are you only taking bacopa before an exam, or adding bacopa to ani, vinpo, etc?
I would ADD bacopa to ani, vinpo, DMAE (but NOT oxi) for a pre-exam stack, not rely kust on bacopa.
I would also take bacopa at other times, since can be fantastic for stress busting. I have a friedn who likes weed. He said to me the other day āBacopa is my favourite nootropic because it gives me the same āchill factorā as weed, without the āfuck it, my day is overā head mashā.
Or something like that, lol. Basically bacopa can sub for spliff, yet leave you thinking clearly.
BBB[/quote]
Thanks BBB, Iāll definately give that a try when I start school.
Iām a pretty relaxed person most of the time, low stress
I was reading about pramiracetam, and according to wiki(I know, not the best source)
[quote]
Oxiracetam - Water-soluble racetam (2 to 4 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed])
Aniracetam - Fat-soluble racetam (4 to 8 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed])
Pramiracetam - Fat-soluble racetam (8 to 30 times more potent than Piracetam [/quote]
So thatās pretty interesting if you asking me. 8-30x more potent, boner!!
When Iām done my first semester(start in Sept), Iāll put up my grades and let you guys know how things worked out. I reckon Iāll start dosing regularly in the summer so that Iāll have a flying start instead of starting from a āstandstillā.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Prami is good, no doubt about it
BBB[/quote]
Oh noā¦ another racetam to worry about! BBB (or anyone who has taken all three), how would you compare prami to ani and oxi. Does it have any unique strengths? My experiences with ani and oxi have been pretty much exactly what BBB described. Like ani for writing, lectures, and exams. Oxi is great for study sessions.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]K2000 wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Are there any mild MAO inhibitors that are easy to find and inexpensive? [/quote]
Picamilon has very similar in itās effects compared with other MAOās, and itās awesome. Cheap too.[/quote]
Thanks for the response. Wikipedia says that Picamilon is a vasodilatorā¦ since Iām currently taking 1,3-Dimethylamylamine which is a vasoconstrictor, I think I need to skip the Picamilon for now (I donāt use Vinpocetine for the same reason).
Heh, I wonder if I could occasionally use the PEA and Picamilon on an off day, and only use 1,3-Dimethylamylamine on training days, with no health risks? I admit my interest in PEA is purely recreational, and I would be satisfied with infrequent usage.[/quote]
Why do you seek vasoconstriction? Are you trying to induce some hypoxia-induced training benefits? Are you aiming to reduce angiogenesis in a tumor perhaps? Or is it that you achieve greater orgasms with reduced cerebral bloodflow and donāt want to ādo a Micheal Huchenceā through auto-erotic axphyxiation, so choose a chamical vasoconstrictor over a noose?
If none of the above then perhaps a vaso-dilator would offset the negatives of taking a vasoconstrictor.
BBB[/quote]
I guess Iām a little apprehensive about interactions. I prefer to err on the side of caution, if I am not sure about what Iām ingesting. Iāve looked around a little bit and it seems hard to find a source of definitive information on some of these substancesā¦ not that the information doesnāt exist, just that Iām not always able to find it, or always smart enough to interpret it.
Iām taking 25 or 50 mg of the 1,3 Dimethylethylamine (one or two caps, which I like as a mild stimulant). Are you suggesting that Vinpocetine would be a safe option for me, too? I tend to dose stimulants and nootropics on the low sideā¦ one cap (10mg if I recall correctly) of Vinpocetine had nice effects for me, in the past.
Also, if you have any comments on PEA, they would be appreciated - safe ways to use it more effectively? Is it even worth the effort? Perhaps settle for brief effects. Or perhaps look elsewhere.
Your posts are appreciated!