Brain Function Boosters 3.0

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
Interesting to note, how would you review vinpo overall – were you able to study very productively with it on its own, or did you use a combination of supps?
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I never studied on vinpo alone, took it during the last weeks of summer, but it at least gave me a good feeling and I didn’t get tired.

With a combination of supps (outlined in more detail above I think) I simply focus better, remember better (even things that happened before I started taking noops), learn better and think better. Don’t study apart from attending classes, but keep up just fine with the competition in my country’s hardest education, which ain’t too shabby.

Effects not related to studying:
Vinpo: heightened sense of smell. Not always a good thing. Don’t feel dizzy when I stand up after lying down anymore. A damn good thing. Never experience “brain fog”, feel rested and ready.
Ani: enjoy music more. hear new sounds and beats in songs I’ve listened to hundreds of times.

And that last thing BBB said is about huperzine A, not vinpo.

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Cool thanks for the feedback guys, I’m going to give vinpo a whirl in low doses.

I’ll let you all know how it goes!

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Personal experience here.

Started taking a product called Neurostim by Mind Nutrition (contains 420mg Aniracetam, 300mg DMAE & 15mg Vinpocetine per capsule) about two weeks ago, to help with my studying. I’ve taken one capsule with food about an hour before school, or a study session.

Just to mention it: I’ve always been a fast learner, and school never presented itself with a lot problems for me.

On Neurostim, I seem only have to read information a couple of times before it sticks, meaning that I’m alot for efficient with my studying now, compared to before.
Understanding fairly complex topics also seem to be easier than before, my mind simply feels more “clear”.

Another effect that I have noticed, is that I seem to have faster reaction times, for instance when I have to dodge a tackle playing soccer, or deciding who I should pass the ball to.

All in all, a very happy user.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I tried the neurostim and found it to be excellent. I take 2 caps though :wink:

BBB[/quote]

In one or two sittings?

(I’m also on teh nurostimz.) Glad they help, Lock!

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So I finally got a hold of some modafinil–and I was skimming your recent comments and you mentioned that you should cycle the stuff. How often do you tend to use moda?

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It’s working good, this Neurostim, so thanks Kakno for suggesting it.

Are there any adverse effects if one is taking this year round?

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So I’m wondering about choline sources. Under the “choline” category at, say, iherb.com, there are a number of different products or forms. Lecithin, phosphatidyl choline, CDP choline/citicholine, choline+inositol, alpha GPC. You guys seem to stick to DMAE; is that because it’s the cheapest reliable choline source? (I haven’t even looked at prices, I’m just guessing.) I get a huge effect from alpha GPC (Biotest) so I’m wondering if I need more choline in general.

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BBB/others

I think that the reason why adderall is so pervasive among students is not whether or not it helps learning, but the fact that it keeps you up and makes you focus. Whatever you are reading gets much more interesting and exciting. I wonder if you have any recommendation for focus and concentration? I find that I get distracted easily, and have used measures like music and short study periods as methods of combating this. However, I’m wondering if any of the stacks would help this issue?

Also, do you know how adderall seems to make things interesting?

Brian

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I don’t think there are any long-term side effects, Lock. I actually think a lot of the “life extension people” use vinpo and DMAE. Probably some other stuff too. And if you can grow old without going senile…

[quote]andersons wrote:
So I’m wondering about choline sources. Under the “choline” category at, say, iherb.com, there are a number of different products or forms. Lecithin, phosphatidyl choline, CDP choline/citicholine, choline+inositol, alpha GPC. You guys seem to stick to DMAE; is that because it’s the cheapest reliable choline source? (I haven’t even looked at prices, I’m just guessing.) I get a huge effect from alpha GPC (Biotest) so I’m wondering if I need more choline in general. [/quote]

Excellent question. Not that I have an excellent answer.

Lectithin=phosphatidylcholine. It’s choline bound to glycerol and two fatty acids. What I didn’t think about is that only about 2% of the lecithin is choline. And someone here probably knows how well this can get across the blood brain barrier (BBB) and help form acetylcholine (ACh) in the brain. Not too well, I think, but a lot of choline made its way to the brain over the years. So there is probably some way.

DMAE: Choline minus a methyl group. Costs a bit more, but once it’s methylated in the body the 600 mg or whatever you ingest can become more than 600 mg ACh. Good at crossing the BBB if I’m not mistaken.

Alpha-GPC: choline bound to glycerol. Another high quality choline source that I think is good at crossing the BBB.

Didn’t answer your question, but before you stare yourself blind at the price tags, consider the fact that 600 mg DMAE contains more choline than ten tablespoons of lecithin. And it’s likely that more of the DMAE goes to the right place.

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[quote]KoldNet wrote:
BBB/others

I think that the reason why adderall is so pervasive among students is not whether or not it helps learning, but the fact that it keeps you up and makes you focus. Whatever you are reading gets much more interesting and exciting. I wonder if you have any recommendation for focus and concentration? I find that I get distracted easily, and have used measures like music and short study periods as methods of combating this. However, I’m wondering if any of the stacks would help this issue?

Also, do you know how adderall seems to make things interesting?

Brian[/quote]

One Spike pill used to get me focused. Vinpo, ani and dmae make sure that my brain doesn’t get tired during the day and that sure makes it easier to focus.

Tried 30 mg vinpo and 600 gram aniracetam for breakfast, then 15mg vinpo, 300mg DMAE and 420mg ani for lunch today. Felt very alert.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Lock wrote:
Are there any adverse effects if one is taking this year round?[/quote]

Yes. Envy and jealousy from classmates too chickenshit to try it themselves.

:slight_smile:

BBB[/quote]

BBB,

I meant to ask this some time ago and sorry to ask this directly. Supplements like Vinpo, DMAE are banned under the Poisons Act of Singapore*. It means anything with these ingredients cant be brought it. I know you’ve mentioned these two chemicals (?) as one of your preferred supplements for your stack (I can’t remember which -cetam was in that stack too).

If the goals were to increase concentration, memory levels are there any alternatives to consider?

I’m taking over 20g of Fish Oil daily. I think Alpha-GPC can be brought in as well.

EDIT : I work in sales, I have many things to remember and I don’t know how to increase my concentration levels, whether its going to be a function of the supplements I take or changing work patterns to increase motivation.

Thank you in advance.

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[quote]Lock wrote:
It’s working good, this Neurostim, so thanks Kakno for suggesting it.

Are there any adverse effects if one is taking this year round?[/quote]

On a similar note to my last question and this question–should you cycle any of these or can you stay on them continuously? I seem to remember you saying that the vinpo can and should be continuous, but what about the others?

Also, would you say there is any difference other than price between buying a propriety nootropic blend like Neurostim and mixing your own batch? For instance, I have the raw ingredients of Aniracetam, DMAE, and vinpo so would I be just as well off taking them separately?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
“HupA I’m not confident about recommending as I have seen too many patients test weak on it. In other words, hold a pill close to their nervous system and their deltoid muscle goes weak.”

Kind of lost you at the end the BBB, you’re saying you are not confident recommending vinpo – are you being serious about loosing strength specifically in your delt?[/quote]

No, it’s hupA I’m not recommending any more.

And yes, I’m serious about the weakness, though it will be evident in any ‘sim’ muscle, not just the delt.

I know it sounds kooky, and believe me, I tried like fuck not to believe in the whole muscle testing thing.

But ultimately I believe it can be used to good diagnostic effect for locating and treating CNS irritation, whether that irritation be caused by a mis-aligned spinal joint or a nutritional issue, or a requrement for (or toxicity to) a specific type of supplement or steroid.

When I was shown this, you couldn’t have had a more disbelieving student, BUT I have seen it work too many times to just write it off.

My patients like it, because I don’t push it on them as some sort of ‘be all and end all’ miracle, just a tool to guide my clinical evaluation.

If I test a muscle and it is noticably weak (unable to lock for time), and I can use that to guide me to a specific vertebral joint, which then (when challenged) makes the weak muscle test strong, then I adjust that vertebra in the direction of change/irritation. This results in a previously weak part of the kinetic chain become functional again.

How can you argue with that? The results speak for themselves. OK, so holding a sample of a specific noop next to the cheeck or sternum is different, it’s also ‘the same’ in a way.

That’s how I personalise my noop, nutrition and supplement protocols to specific individuals. I have worked with a guy who had biosignature done on him. My analysis revealed similar issues tl the biosig. but my nutritionsl and supplemental program worked better with the client - partly because I made the food palatable and enjoyable and didn’t push (IMO) unnecessary amounts of supps. But everything I recommended was then tested on the guy to double check that they ran in sympathy with his body, not against it.

In summanry, lol:

Muscle testing works, but may be too extreme for some.

That is my opinion.

BBB[/quote]

Er…wha? I may be misunderstanding this post, but are you saying that simply holding a substance near the body can affect it? Forgive me for saying this BBB, because I have a ton of respect for your opinion, but that sounds like utter bullshit. On what theory does that work exactly?

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