I almost made a racial joke, i lol’d and then I wrote this.
anyway kidding aside. I clean the men’s and women’s bathrooms at work, the Womens bathroom is three times bigger, even has furniture and smells nice with an assortment of soaps and lotions. Who would’nt want to drop an atom bomb in there?
keep them separate, kthxbai
I’m going to jump in here, and say it’s a really stupid idea, for all the reason mentioned, and I’m sure many more.
I’m also pretty sure that it won’t happen, and that the news piece is really just there to ruffle some feathers.
There are some private schools that offer “gender neutral” restrooms, or allow dudes who pretend to be women, and women to pretend to be dudes to use the facilities in accordance with their delusion. But as far as I know, those are only private institutions.
[quote]playmaker08 wrote:
I went to a bar last Friday and the woman’s bathroom had a long line, while the guys did not, so girls started using the men’s bathroom. As one of the girls was walking out a guy stopped her and demanded her to flash him as compensation for using the men’s bathroom, unfortunately he got slapped; that ungrateful bitch.[/quote]
Yea really. That’s lost drinking time while the dude had to wait for the girl to take 45 mins to piss like they all do.
This is one of those ridiculous PC attempts to fix what isn’t broken. What will this improve?
I don’t really care that much, however the next step will be to try to force men to pee sitting down. I will not pee sitting down, and I promise you I will go ape shit fucking William Wallace ballistic if anyone tries to force me to pee sitting down. Seriously, my scalp knife will run red. Seriously.
Try and find the side-ways/blurry document from the Fox site on the Main Human Right Commission Website.
I couldn’t, and it’s a fairly easy to navigate site.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Another thing: if what is erotic is “transgressing boundaries” - what happens if we no longer have any boundaries?
[/quote]
Indeed.
I do not see the point of this.
Looks like it isn’t going to happen.
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.
Go to Northern Europe and you have unisex saunas and swimming pools that people use naked, it is not a sexual thing and no-one sees anything wrong with this. Go to pretty much any beach in Europe and there will be women as good as naked, again this is not a sexual thing.
I am not saying you are wrong for your values, I am also not saying that the US should immediately switch to unisex locker rooms, there are too many people in the US that are conditioned to link nudity to sex, therefore this would cause problems.
What I am saying is that a people’s concept of what is acceptable changes over time. Go back to Victorian times and a woman showing her ankles was seen as slutty.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.
Go to Northern Europe and you have unisex saunas and swimming pools that people use naked, it is not a sexual thing and no-one sees anything wrong with this. Go to pretty much any beach in Europe and there will be women as good as naked, again this is not a sexual thing.
I am not saying you are wrong for your values, I am also not saying that the US should immediately switch to unisex locker rooms, there are too many people in the US that are conditioned to link nudity to sex, therefore this would cause problems.
What I am saying is that a people’s concept of what is acceptable changes over time. Go back to Victorian times and a woman showing her ankles was seen as slutty.[/quote]
You could argue the same thing for acts like murder. If we grew up in the wild west, shooting someone in a duel wouldn’t be a big deal. If you were raised a Dane going viking, raping murdering and pillaging wouldn’t be a big deal.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.[/quote]
Actually I don’t find anything wrong with the naked human form, I ran around naked all the time as a little baby/child and still do in privacy. I am not sure how being chaste is thinking “something wrong with the naked human form.” I just think it distorts my perception of the beauty of my wife.
I am sorry, but it is a personal choice, nothing to do with being afraid of nakedness or being a prude.
Yes, because that is our tradition, and I am sure there would be plenty of people willing to use unisex bathrooms/lockers. They have them in the United States, however the reason why there is not more is because there is not a call for them.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.
Go to Northern Europe and you have unisex saunas and swimming pools that people use naked, it is not a sexual thing and no-one sees anything wrong with this. Go to pretty much any beach in Europe and there will be women as good as naked, again this is not a sexual thing.
I am not saying you are wrong for your values, I am also not saying that the US should immediately switch to unisex locker rooms, there are too many people in the US that are conditioned to link nudity to sex, therefore this would cause problems.
What I am saying is that a people’s concept of what is acceptable changes over time. Go back to Victorian times and a woman showing her ankles was seen as slutty.[/quote]
You could argue the same thing for acts like murder. If we grew up in the wild west, shooting someone in a duel wouldn’t be a big deal. If you were raised a Dane going viking, raping murdering and pillaging wouldn’t be a big deal.[/quote]
I agree you don’t even have to take it to the wild west. Murder is far more ‘acceptable’ to an inner city gang member than to someone living in a small town.
The difference is that I can see a pretty clear benefit in keeping the murder rate down. Keeping the incidence of people seeing each other naked down or being in the same part of the building while people of a different sex shit and thereby increasing the costs of comercial building space, I find harder to understand a real rationale for.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.[/quote]
Actually I don’t find anything wrong with the naked human form, I ran around naked all the time as a little baby/child and still do in privacy. I am not sure how being chaste is thinking “something wrong with the naked human form.” I just think it distorts my perception of the beauty of my wife.
I am sorry, but it is a personal choice, nothing to do with being afraid of nakedness or being a prude.
Yes, because that is our tradition, and I am sure there would be plenty of people willing to use unisex bathrooms/lockers. They have them in the United States, however the reason why there is not more is because there is not a call for them.
Your second sentence says it all, by bringing up chastity you are equating nudity to sexuality. If there is not a call for them, why do they exist at all and why is this discussion even happening?
If you put unisex changing rooms in all commercial properties you would increase the profitability per square foot, this would be a benefit to the economy and good for the environment.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Yeah, but before there were locker rooms, there were no locker rooms. Profound right? And for some reason, it worked out better to have locker rooms, separating people of different genders.
The only way it could possibly work, is if we decided as societally de-sexualize the naked human bodies, program our children to think differently. Some people do this.
I don’t know about you all, but I like the fact that naked women are erotic. I don’t want to be programmed from youth that they are not. I’d rather live in a world where there’s an appropriate place for eroticism and nudity, and I don’t want my kid there.
I know some people like nude beaches, and have either conditioned, or merely convinced, themselves that it’s not sexual or erotic. That’s their choice to do. But I’d be pissed if I had had that taken away from me.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
I don’t know about you all, but I like the fact that naked women are erotic. [/quote]
Amen.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.[/quote]
Actually I don’t find anything wrong with the naked human form, I ran around naked all the time as a little baby/child and still do in privacy. I am not sure how being chaste is thinking “something wrong with the naked human form.” I just think it distorts my perception of the beauty of my wife.
I am sorry, but it is a personal choice, nothing to do with being afraid of nakedness or being a prude.
Yes, because that is our tradition, and I am sure there would be plenty of people willing to use unisex bathrooms/lockers. They have them in the United States, however the reason why there is not more is because there is not a call for them.
Your second sentence says it all, by bringing up chastity you are equating nudity to sexuality. If there is not a call for them, why do they exist at all and why is this discussion even happening?[/quote]
Why would you try to separate something like nudity and sexuality? People are sexual, they usually have sexual intercourse with the opposite sex while they are nude. There is a call for them. They exist because there is a call for separate bathrooms pertaining to one’s sex. The reason why they are having this discussion is because people are trying to force private companies to have unisex bathrooms even if they do not wish too.
I do not think you see the point of this discussion, it is not about if people want it or not, or will be fine with it or not. It is about government trying to force businesses to do something that they have no business in. There is plenty of businesses with one bathroom, unisex bathroom, employee-only bathroom, and no bathrooms at all.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Do a lot of you guys just wander round the Johns with your cock out or something? Even at a Urinal you would have to be trying to see someone else’s dick so really not sure what the issue is. At my office they have women cleaners in the male toilet and I couldn’t care less.
I see the point in different locker rooms, but that is mainly because I grew up with separate locker rooms. If we grew up with unisex changing rooms as the norm we might not have so many issues.[/quote]
Sorry if I feel seeing a naked women that isn’t my wife is wrong. That is why I use locker rooms that are separated from the women [/quote]
But the reason you feel that is because you (along with most people in the western world including me) have been conditioned from birth to believe there is something wrong with the naked human form.
Go to Northern Europe and you have unisex saunas and swimming pools that people use naked, it is not a sexual thing and no-one sees anything wrong with this. Go to pretty much any beach in Europe and there will be women as good as naked, again this is not a sexual thing.
I am not saying you are wrong for your values, I am also not saying that the US should immediately switch to unisex locker rooms, there are too many people in the US that are conditioned to link nudity to sex, therefore this would cause problems.
What I am saying is that a people’s concept of what is acceptable changes over time. Go back to Victorian times and a woman showing her ankles was seen as slutty.[/quote]
I hate to say that I am inclined to agree with everything you’ve written in this post.
I do sometimes wonder, however, what kind of testosterone is flowing around in your typical European man that he can confidently wear speedos on a beach full of jigglin titties.
Seriously. 
Summary: Brother Chris is a prude and RBlue and Deb are slutty.
=D
Seriously though, seeing as my workplace has a 10:1 male to female ratio, it is quite nice for me that I don’t have to share. Plus, in our washroom, we get lotions and girly things and a nice make up area with hair dryers and free samples of every kind of skin product you can imagine. We have all new toilets and sinks and faucets, fully automatic with nice automatic soap dispensers that has a lovely apple-berry scent. And it’s always immaculate. I kid you not, the men’s washroom is a disaster. ( I have no explanation outside of some of the women insist on these things and facilities responds to requests where the men don’t bother.) So it really does suit me to not share. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s very silly for a female to worry that a male might hear her pee in the stall next to her.
For the record, I am under the assumption that co-ed washrooms all have closed stalls. There is no nudity. There is no sexuality (unless your a fecal freak but you might very well prefer male poo so that is moot) The idea that the mere suggestion of nudity by having a stall gets people upset is very very (VERY!) shocking to me.