Boxing with Son is Child Abuse? Really?

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^^What are you even talking about? I was going to quote them individually like you did but that would make for a really confusing response.

You’re first two points make absolutely no sense… Especially the second one. Go ahead and re read what you responded to in your second mini quote and see if it has anything to do with what I wrote. Blood all over the carpet? What are you talking about?

I never said anything about a cop being your parent. Lou said that they were basically the same thing, “teaching a valuable lesson” and you agreed. I never said anything about parents or anything… I was just shocked that you agreed with that statement although you always agree with Lou.

and to adress your last point… “unless there is physical or emotional damage, you can NOT claim child abuse.”… isnt a bloody nose from being punched in the face from your father “physical damage”? (answer is yes) Who knows how many body shots that kid took as well (which the cops wouldnt have known about)

again, you’re arguing for the sake of arguing but please at least read what I wrote and respond to that instead of interjecting whatever thoughts you think will help you prove your “point”

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^What are you even talking about? I was going to quote them individually like you did but that would make for a really confusing response.

You’re first two points make absolutely no sense… Especially the second one. Go ahead and re read what you responded to in your second mini quote and see if it has anything to do with what I wrote. Blood all over the carpet? What are you talking about?[/quote]

What is wrong with some of you? You just wrote that you didn’t know if he was fucked up…as if the police would write SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE for a condition way worse than that.

THAT is what makes no sense.

[quote]

I never said anything about a cop being your parent. Lou said that they were basically the same thing, “teaching a valuable lesson” and you agreed. I never said anything about parents or anything… I was just shocked that you agreed with that statement although you always agree with Lou.[/quote]

This FATHER was disciplining his son. Though this may shock you, many people do this with physical discipline that often involves some level of pain. No, it is not a COP’S job to TEACH me or discipline me. You seem confused.

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and to adress your last point… “unless there is physical or emotional damage, you can NOT claim child abuse.”… isnt a bloody nose from being punched in the face from your father “physical damage”? (answer is yes) Who knows how many body shots that kid took as well (which the cops wouldnt have known about)[/quote]

LASTING physical or emotional damage. A slightly bloody nose is not that.

No one is arguing just to argue. If your point was as solid as you think it is, there would be no response.

You would have to be against any activity in school that could cause damage to a kid to take the stance you are.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
What is wrong with some of you? You just wrote that you didn’t know if he was fucked up…as if the police would write SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE for a condition way worse than that.

THAT is what makes no sense.

[/quote]

did you read the point I made earlier about some one getting beat up pretty bad in boxing/mma fights but not SHOWING the physical damage right away? (especially in the case of body shots)

Very well could have been the case, especially since they were reportedly using 16oz gloves.

Not confused and not a shock, i was disciplined physically growing up… I’ll reiterate my point (which I’m sure you’ll ignore like every other time) there is a big difference between a spanking and putting on gloves to punch your kid in the face because you want to punish them.

ahhhh I see, changing up what you wrote… Ok so now the damage has to be lasting to count? How long does it have to last? If its only a bruise that lasts a day or two does that count as abuse? A couple serious punches to the stomach would hurt like crazy but could very well leave no lasting marks so thats not lasting physical damage so thats ok?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

did you read the point I made earlier about some one getting beat up pretty bad in boxing/mma fights but not SHOWING the physical damage right away? (especially in the case of body shots)

Very well could have been the case, especially since they were reportedly using 16oz gloves.[/quote]

? We haven’t heard one thing about any further extensive injuries so if your whole point is based on a “what if”, save it, dude.

The ONLY difference is what props were used. Period. This kid had on protective gear. This was not some outside brawl to the death with blood spattered all over.

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ahhhh I see, changing up what you wrote… Ok so now the damage has to be lasting to count?[/quote]

Changing it? I wrote that to start with.

? If there are no scars or lasting bruises…and if the kid has not been emotionally traumatized, I am not assuming child abuse. Once again, you have no point because not one report mentioned extensive injuries past a SLIGHTLY BLOODY NOSE.

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^^its not even worth “debating” with you because I know your MO. You’re just going to go round and round in circles. I know how your “debates” work and you’ll type till you’re blue in the face to defend what you wrote even though its incorrect. I’ve seen it a million times.

I think you’re the only on in this thread that doesnt see what your doing/what you always do (or maybe you do?)

Keep grasping at straws X. I wont be replying to you about this anymore in this thread because it is pointless.

One of three things will now happen:

  1. You’ll respond so that you can get in the last word and feel like you’ve “won” and saved face on this forum.

  2. You’ll make some passive aggressive reference to what I wrote in a backhanded comment and preface it with “some of you guys…” or “why is it so hard for some here to…”

  3. Both 1 & 2.

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Meh, I guess parents have different ways of punishing their kids.

Bloodied nose happens in any fight and I bet it wasn’t the first time that shit went down between them.

I’m sure it went that way:

son:‘I’m fucking 16, man, I can do whatever I like! Mind your fucking business, man!’

Father: ‘Oh yeah? So you’re a grownass man now, eh? Can you bring food to the table with some MMA fights, motherfucker? Go get dem damn gloves, you lil’ sonovabitch. We’ll see who’s the man of the house…’

son: ‘’ erm… yes, sir.‘’ To self: ‘‘Oh shit, I’m so gonna get fucked!’’ LMFAO!!

Props to the dad. Some 16 years old need their ass whoopped. Can’t believe how many stuff they get away with these days.

Oh and the son called the cops, obviously. He was fucking fed up with losing to his dad all the time. No grit at all. At 16, and as a woman, I already had my nose and teeth broken due to sparring with men older and stronger than me. I didn’t cry about it.

Now that boy knows he can get away with everything. Instead of facebooking sluts, he should have spent his time improving his MMA skills and consequently, beat his father at his own game. Lil’ son of a bitch.

Lol.

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Four60 is right.

When teaching your child the difference from right or wrong and you choose to use physcical discipline (ie:hitting) you do not put the child in the position where they can retaliate(“sparring match”). some will then call this a fight not sparring and the Dad beat up his child to prove a point. How sad.

Look up what the definition of the word Disclipine means. Edit: or better yet : To Disclipine

And I love all the conjecture/dialogue of what happenend before the fight. LOL

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Its the same lesson that we all need to learn somewhere along the way - don’t fuck with so n so cuz he/it will fuck me up. How many times do we have topics about how the cops beat the shit out of some dude for a traffic stop? Somewhere along the way the vic didn’t learn that whether you agree or not doesn’t matter, you need to shut up or get fucked up. Valuable lesson. Very Valuable.[/quote]

LMAO! Sometimes, a beatdown is very much necessary. [/quote]

I swear some of the people responding must have the best acting kids in the world because I know some that won’t be affected by a time out or a good talking to. They need to do some exchange where some of these guys go take care of a family in the projects where the kids get all of their meals at school on free lunch.

I am assuming these responses are because they don’t believe in ANY physical discipline at all.

I am not sure why discussing the LACK of discipline lately is being avoided.[/quote]

so are you guys really defending the police officers who are out there in these vids “fucking up” guys?

So that’s a valuable lesson? That means that you hope they never charge those cops because according to you guys its just a valuable lesson that everyone should learn.

LOL[/quote]

Dude, how’d you make that jump from my comments? I’m not opposed to engaging you in the discussion of cops fucking guys up but I need to understand how we jumped from a preventative ass kicking to this. OH and if you don’t have kids STFU (not too late to get that in was it lol)

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LOL. We went from kids to cops but if we dare discuss the lack of discipline we see lately they cry fowl.

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[quote]Pweedith wrote:
Like many of you guys have said the man is a professional fighter. If he wanted to fuck up the kid he easily could have. He threw him a couple light blows to portray the fact that he’s the dominant figure in the household and what he says goes. And it was obviously done with a calmer mind than just someone who gets pissed and smacks their kid. He had him gear up for christ’s sake so he had protection from getting hurt.

Yes this might not be the best form of discipline for all households since sometimes the kid can beat up the parent but in this case its what he chose for HIS child and its what works for him. We’re discussing this specific incident so don’t bring up what works for most people.

And I’m saying all this as a still quite young man who grew up in the suburbs. I grew up in a town full of pot heads and partiers and you know what a good chunk of the parents do around here? They enable this behavior through providing alcohol and places to consume said alcohol and drugs.

I notice a complete lack of punishment with my generation (myself included) and honestly I’m worried for when we grow up and take control of the world. Kid’s drink and drive, smoke weed, pop pills, deal drugs, etc, etc and you know what they do after?

Throw pictures of themselves doing this stuff up on Facebook…Post statuses bragging about all the shit they’re doing and where they’re doing it…and other kids comment and tell them how cool what they’re doing is and brag about the shit that they did themselves. I’m not ignorant enough to think the older generations didn’t do any drugs or drink at all but they didn’t display it for everyone to see cuz they had fear of their parents and what would happen if they found out.[/quote]

As a father of 5 teenagers I would gladly adopt you kid, this was a very thought out post.

It is a very accurate documentation of late teens and early 20 year olds in middle America. Which as a medical provider and married to medical provider in the pediatric realm this is what we have observed over the last 10 years.

We constantly fight with our youngest 16 year old cause we are in an upper middle class town, with many very wealthy parents. She just does not understand why she gets punished (not physical) for her wrongful acts. Her friends are not punished and basically never caught.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Pweedith wrote:
Like many of you guys have said the man is a professional fighter. If he wanted to fuck up the kid he easily could have. He threw him a couple light blows to portray the fact that he’s the dominant figure in the household and what he says goes. And it was obviously done with a calmer mind than just someone who gets pissed and smacks their kid. He had him gear up for christ’s sake so he had protection from getting hurt.

Yes this might not be the best form of discipline for all households since sometimes the kid can beat up the parent but in this case its what he chose for HIS child and its what works for him. We’re discussing this specific incident so don’t bring up what works for most people.

And I’m saying all this as a still quite young man who grew up in the suburbs. I grew up in a town full of pot heads and partiers and you know what a good chunk of the parents do around here? They enable this behavior through providing alcohol and places to consume said alcohol and drugs.

I notice a complete lack of punishment with my generation (myself included) and honestly I’m worried for when we grow up and take control of the world. Kid’s drink and drive, smoke weed, pop pills, deal drugs, etc, etc and you know what they do after?

Throw pictures of themselves doing this stuff up on Facebook…Post statuses bragging about all the shit they’re doing and where they’re doing it…and other kids comment and tell them how cool what they’re doing is and brag about the shit that they did themselves. I’m not ignorant enough to think the older generations didn’t do any drugs or drink at all but they didn’t display it for everyone to see cuz they had fear of their parents and what would happen if they found out.[/quote]

As a father of 5 teenagers I would gladly adopt you kid, this was a very thought out post.

It is a very accurate documentation of late teens and early 20 year olds in middle America. Which as a medical provider and married to medical provider in the pediatric realm this is what we have observed over the last 10 years.

We constantly fight with our youngest 16 year old cause we are in an upper middle class town, with many very wealthy parents. She just does not understand why she gets punished (not physical) for her wrongful acts. Her friends are not punished and basically never caught. [/quote]

I see this often. I treat a wide range of patients from many backgrounds and one thing I can say for sure is that the LACK of discipline is a growing problem I see. It is NOT ok for your kids to act crazy in public while you simply keep repeating, “darling please stop” over and over.

There are tons of parents who now see NO discipline as the solution and will be first to degrade any parent who so much as spanks their child.

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[quote]Pweedith wrote:
Like many of you guys have said the man is a professional fighter. If he wanted to fuck up the kid he easily could have. He threw him a couple light blows to portray the fact that he’s the dominant figure in the household and what he says goes. And it was obviously done with a calmer mind than just someone who gets pissed and smacks their kid. He had him gear up for christ’s sake so he had protection from getting hurt.

Yes this might not be the best form of discipline for all households since sometimes the kid can beat up the parent but in this case its what he chose for HIS child and its what works for him. We’re discussing this specific incident so don’t bring up what works for most people.

And I’m saying all this as a still quite young man who grew up in the suburbs. I grew up in a town full of pot heads and partiers and you know what a good chunk of the parents do around here? They enable this behavior through providing alcohol and places to consume said alcohol and drugs.

I notice a complete lack of punishment with my generation (myself included) and honestly I’m worried for when we grow up and take control of the world. Kid’s drink and drive, smoke weed, pop pills, deal drugs, etc, etc and you know what they do after?

Throw pictures of themselves doing this stuff up on Facebook…Post statuses bragging about all the shit they’re doing and where they’re doing it…and other kids comment and tell them how cool what they’re doing is and brag about the shit that they did themselves. I’m not ignorant enough to think the older generations didn’t do any drugs or drink at all but they didn’t display it for everyone to see cuz they had fear of their parents and what would happen if they found out.[/quote]

Great fucking post.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Its the same lesson that we all need to learn somewhere along the way - don’t fuck with so n so cuz he/it will fuck me up. How many times do we have topics about how the cops beat the shit out of some dude for a traffic stop? Somewhere along the way the vic didn’t learn that whether you agree or not doesn’t matter, you need to shut up or get fucked up. Valuable lesson. Very Valuable.[/quote]

LMAO! Sometimes, a beatdown is very much necessary. [/quote]

I swear some of the people responding must have the best acting kids in the world because I know some that won’t be affected by a time out or a good talking to. They need to do some exchange where some of these guys go take care of a family in the projects where the kids get all of their meals at school on free lunch.

I am assuming these responses are because they don’t believe in ANY physical discipline at all.

I am not sure why discussing the LACK of discipline lately is being avoided.[/quote]

so are you guys really defending the police officers who are out there in these vids “fucking up” guys?

So that’s a valuable lesson? That means that you hope they never charge those cops because according to you guys its just a valuable lesson that everyone should learn.

LOL[/quote]

Dude, how’d you make that jump from my comments? I’m not opposed to engaging you in the discussion of cops fucking guys up but I need to understand how we jumped from a preventative ass kicking to this. OH and if you don’t have kids STFU (not too late to get that in was it lol)[/quote]

If you re read what you wrote in that paragraph do you really think its in any way a stretch to come to the conclusion that I (and I’m sure several others) came to?

From your response I’m sure that isn’t what you were trying to convey/what you meant but from reading that paragraph alone it isn’t a stretch to take it the way I did don’t ya think?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Its the same lesson that we all need to learn somewhere along the way - don’t fuck with so n so cuz he/it will fuck me up. How many times do we have topics about how the cops beat the shit out of some dude for a traffic stop? Somewhere along the way the vic didn’t learn that whether you agree or not doesn’t matter, you need to shut up or get fucked up. Valuable lesson. Very Valuable.[/quote]

LMAO! Sometimes, a beatdown is very much necessary. [/quote]

I swear some of the people responding must have the best acting kids in the world because I know some that won’t be affected by a time out or a good talking to. They need to do some exchange where some of these guys go take care of a family in the projects where the kids get all of their meals at school on free lunch.

I am assuming these responses are because they don’t believe in ANY physical discipline at all.

I am not sure why discussing the LACK of discipline lately is being avoided.[/quote]

so are you guys really defending the police officers who are out there in these vids “fucking up” guys?

So that’s a valuable lesson? That means that you hope they never charge those cops because according to you guys its just a valuable lesson that everyone should learn.

LOL[/quote]

Dude, how’d you make that jump from my comments? I’m not opposed to engaging you in the discussion of cops fucking guys up but I need to understand how we jumped from a preventative ass kicking to this. OH and if you don’t have kids STFU (not too late to get that in was it lol)[/quote]

If you re read what you wrote in that paragraph do you really think its in any way a stretch to come to the conclusion that I (and I’m sure several others) came to?

From your response I’m sure that isn’t what you were trying to convey/what you meant but from reading that paragraph alone it isn’t a stretch to take it the way I did don’t ya think?[/quote]

I was going to rile you up but its not worth the argument.

Hey as long as you now understand my position and agree with me its ok.

:slight_smile:

Facebook Friends again??

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^^Me get rilled up over the Interwebz? Naaaah

didnt you know that Facebook will be the end of us all? lol

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I don’t see a problem.

Different strokes for different folks.

My wrestling coach wrestles His son when he fights in school or wherever.
[/quote]

Being a Parent can be fucking hard (PERIOD). Trying to do it with the world looking over your shoulder is harder.

I get it, really I get it. A athlete is trying to teach his kid right from wrong and keep the respect of being DAD reverts back to his sport to teach the kid a lesson.

But you end up teaching the kid that his WRONG actions His defiance of YOUR rules earns him a shot to get away with it if one day he can be Stronger and Faster than the person in charge.

Is that what you want the kid to walk away with by this CHALLENGE.

So its no longer Do what I say becuase I"M RIGHT and YOU are WRONG its Obey My rules or BEAT ME???

I think the dad was trying to be a good father to the kid.

I don’t agree with the lesson he is teaching.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I don’t see a problem.

Different strokes for different folks.

My wrestling coach wrestles His son when he fights in school or wherever.
[/quote]

Being a Parent can be fucking hard (PERIOD). Trying to do it with the world looking over your shoulder is harder.

I get it, really I get it. A athlete is trying to teach his kid right from wrong and keep the respect of being DAD reverts back to his sport to teach the kid a lesson.

But you end up teaching the kid that his WRONG actions His defiance of YOUR rules earns him a shot to get away with it if one day he can be Stronger and Faster than the person in charge.

Is that what you want the kid to walk away with by this CHALLENGE.

So its no longer Do what I say becuase I"M RIGHT and YOU are WRONG its Obey My rules or BEAT ME???

I think the dad was trying to be a good father to the kid.

I don’t agree with the lesson he is teaching.

[/quote]

Well said 460 and I agree, my only question is:

What do you do when they flat out just do not respect or listen to you? When they are 16-17 years old skipping school and running with the wrong crowd?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I don’t see a problem.

Different strokes for different folks.

My wrestling coach wrestles His son when he fights in school or wherever.
[/quote]

Being a Parent can be fucking hard (PERIOD). Trying to do it with the world looking over your shoulder is harder.

I get it, really I get it. A athlete is trying to teach his kid right from wrong and keep the respect of being DAD reverts back to his sport to teach the kid a lesson.

But you end up teaching the kid that his WRONG actions His defiance of YOUR rules earns him a shot to get away with it if one day he can be Stronger and Faster than the person in charge.

Is that what you want the kid to walk away with by this CHALLENGE.

So its no longer Do what I say becuase I"M RIGHT and YOU are WRONG its Obey My rules or BEAT ME???

I think the dad was trying to be a good father to the kid.

I don’t agree with the lesson he is teaching.

[/quote]

Well said 460 and I agree, my only question is:

What do you do when they flat out just do not respect or listen to you? When they are 16-17 years old skipping school and running with the wrong crowd?[/quote]

A teen is going to try/test you. We all know that. Its hard at that age because shit they are damn near out the door and the world is looking at them as adults when the parents know they are not.

So you are fighting the kid, his friends and the world telling you how to lay the smack down on a pre-adult who still needs you to survive.

With me its my way or the Highway. If you don’t like my punishment then the door is your option (I understand kids will call the cops etc etc. But shit they will call them no matter what you do). What I will not do What I WILL NEVER do is let the kid think he stands on equal grounds with me.

This fucking worlds wants us to treat kids as equals when they are not. Teachers tell them this friends, media hell even some family. You can tell me your side of the story no problem. You can prove me wrong no problem. But you do not get to overrule me as a parent. To much negotiation with kids.

The hardest part about punishment is sticking with it. Once you have decided you are right the conversation is over until the punishment is over (spank,take away shit, strip everything from the closet except 4 pants 4 shirts for school) or whatever you decided.

But it only takes one time for a kid to think he can play you and its over he will do it again and again. And this shit is 1000 times harder if you have 2 adults in charge and one does not agree with the other in front of the kid.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I don’t see a problem.

Different strokes for different folks.

My wrestling coach wrestles His son when he fights in school or wherever.
[/quote]

Being a Parent can be fucking hard (PERIOD). Trying to do it with the world looking over your shoulder is harder.

I get it, really I get it. A athlete is trying to teach his kid right from wrong and keep the respect of being DAD reverts back to his sport to teach the kid a lesson.

But you end up teaching the kid that his WRONG actions His defiance of YOUR rules earns him a shot to get away with it if one day he can be Stronger and Faster than the person in charge.

Is that what you want the kid to walk away with by this CHALLENGE.

So its no longer Do what I say becuase I"M RIGHT and YOU are WRONG its Obey My rules or BEAT ME???

I think the dad was trying to be a good father to the kid.

I don’t agree with the lesson he is teaching.

[/quote]

Well said 460 and I agree, my only question is:

What do you do when they flat out just do not respect or listen to you? When they are 16-17 years old skipping school and running with the wrong crowd?[/quote]

A teen is going to try/test you. We all know that. Its hard at that age because shit they are damn near out the door and the world is looking at them as adults when the parents know they are not.

So you are fighting the kid, his friends and the world telling you how to lay the smack down on a pre-adult who still needs you to survive.

With me its my way or the Highway. If you don’t like my punishment then the door is your option (I understand kids will call the cops etc etc. But shit they will call them no matter what you do). What I will not do What I WILL NEVER do is let the kid think he stands on equal grounds with me.

This fucking worlds wants us to treat kids as equals when they are not. Teachers tell them this friends, media hell even some family. You can tell me your side of the story no problem. You can prove me wrong no problem. But you do not get to overrule me as a parent. To much negotiation with kids.

The hardest part about punishment is sticking with it. Once you have decided you are right the conversation is over until the punishment is over (spank,take away shit, strip everything from the closet except 4 pants 4 shirts for school) or whatever you decided.

But it only takes one time for a kid to think he can play you and its over he will do it again and again. And this shit is 1000 times harder if you have 2 adults in charge and one does not agree with the other in front of the kid.[/quote]

I have had two sons go off the deep end, and no matter what things we did would not deter from the wrong path. Drugs, drinking, sex, stealing etc. We had to do the tough love and as a parent that was the hardest thing I have ever done. For 3 years I did not talk to my son who is fixing to turn 21 years old.

He came back with a lot of baggage and legal fees, the other son came back after only a year with the same baggage and fees.

How many parents do the hard stuff?

Is it just giving up to do tough love or is just enabling them giving up?

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As I have no children, my opinion is worthless here… but… for the record, I agree with 460.

I also don’t believe that punishment should include any form or sports or exercise. Simply because I wouldn’t want my hypothetical child to equate sports and exercise with being punished.