Boxing with Son is Child Abuse? Really?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

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Sparring does not = “Discipline”. They are not the same ballgame, not in the same ballpark, not the same Church, pew, planet or galaxy.

Sparring is the practice of a sport. Under controlled circumstances, no different than playing one on one basketball with your son.

It’s more a question of what is “appropriate” rather than one of injury. The kid did complain of injury though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do some of you immediately start personally attacking people just because they don’t agree with you?

I could see if both sides were tossing insults…but it’s always the same guys.[/quote]

Here we go with that passive/aggressive problem of yours again. There are a million and one drugs on the market now, most with commercials, and they’ve yet to find one for this syndrome. Too bad :frowning:

When I see stupid, I lose my filter. It’s that simple. But probably for the same reason you turn a clothes don’t fit thread into a hissy fit about the accuracy of measurements.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do some of you immediately start personally attacking people just because they don’t agree with you?

I could see if both sides were tossing insults…but it’s always the same guys.[/quote]
[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. Most threads lately have the intellectual depth of diarrhea. No discussion can take place anymore because if anyone dares question why you believe what you do, they can be sure others will harp on their post count or whether they can do a deadlift for 17 pages.

The arguments that don’t find a problem with this are not disjointed or insane. Disagreeing with it doesn’t make you right.[/quote]

come on man, you know exactly what I mean and that you’re comment was a trolling one.

You throw that out as a passive aggressive jab at Irish and TBG even though Bodyguard just called you out about the passive aggressive thing… you HAVE to know that you’re trolling him by doing it again right after you guys had that exchange (in the BIG GUYS clothes thread i think?)

but there is one thing that you are definitely right about: “Disagreeing with it doesnt make you right” (but that applies to you as well)

lol… you know you were trolling.[/quote]

I wasn’t trolling. I called him out in THAT thread because that thread would have died after post number two. I did not call him out in this one…in fact, the ONLY people tossing insults here were Irish, Bodyguard and now you. What happened to the ability to debate an issue at all?

Either put your thoughts together better to defend your point or quit responding.[/quote]

LOL logic is not your friend dude. I have never seen you make a cogent, logical argument after being challenged.

And you don’t “call anyone out”. You just “call out”. Are you sure you’re not on Facebook?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

[/quote]

On this we will not agree.

Sparring is the act of Teaching or Practicing. Not Discipline for Punishment.

Tell me what the kid is learning by throwing a punch at the father, other than his dad is a better fighter.

I’m sure pops and the kid have trained dozens of times. No big deal even if someone got tagged it’s training.

But once Anger and punishment is put on the table it’s not the same. It’s a fight to show dominance.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
If you are going to punish then punish.
[/quote]

He did punish him.
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by punching him in the face… a professional fighter and a juvenile…

are you really comparing a COACH making a player run laps at practice to a father punching his kid in the face for lying to him and calling it “sparring” because the father is a professional fighter?

So that makes it ok? Its ok to punch the kid in the face because he wasnt hurt badly and it has probably (in your professional opinion) happened before? Serious?[/quote]

You can explain this elegant yet simple logic until you’re blue in the face, but then again X has never had a sense of proportion, and that’s what’s really lacking here. He’ll numb you with his inability to see it - I mean damn man, he didn’t break the kid’s jaw!

Anyway, I find those that aren’t really acquainted with violence are the most comfortable with it in theory. I have a 19 year old that has put me to the brink of violence and even I’m not fucking stupid enough to assault him under the guise of “sparring”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The outcome was a “SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE”. That means these were not punches meant to inflict much damage.

The difference between this and spanking is what exactly?

The props used?

[/quote]

Are you really wondering what the difference between spanking someone on the butt and punching someone in the face is?

I’ve included a picture for ya[/quote]

? You seem to be missing the point here…but thanks for the graphic pictures.

Spanking is PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE. This was an attempt at PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE. The damage caused has to be the focus because you can spank a child to death as well.

Get it?

Just because gloves were involved with the discipline does not automatically make it wrong…unless you are against all physical discipline.
[/quote]

Is this what passes for “intelligent debate” for you? I hate to say it, but a spade is a spade and the above argument is fallacious. Period. Either you’re trolling, or you can’t see it. If it’s the former, you contribute to the decline of the forum you mourn and if it’s the latter, well then some of us are going to have to treat you differently from here on out and give you some type of curve.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

[/quote]

On this we will not agree.

Sparring is the act of Teaching or Practicing. Not Discipline for Punishment.

Tell me what the kid is learning by throwing a punch at the father, other than his dad is a better fighter.

I’m sure pops and the kid have trained dozens of times. No big deal even if someone got tagged it’s training.

But once Anger and punishment is put on the table it’s not the same. It’s a fight to show dominance. [/quote]

It’s no freaking difference from grabbing a switch of a tree and hitting your kid.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

[/quote]

On this we will not agree.

Sparring is the act of Teaching or Practicing. Not Discipline for Punishment.

Tell me what the kid is learning by throwing a punch at the father, other than his dad is a better fighter.

I’m sure pops and the kid have trained dozens of times. No big deal even if someone got tagged it’s training.

But once Anger and punishment is put on the table it’s not the same. It’s a fight to show dominance. [/quote]

It’s no freaking difference from grabbing a switch of a tree and hitting your kid.[/quote]

I’m not giving the Kid a switch also and asking him to fence.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Dude, physical/emotional damage has nothing to do with it, it’s in fact a desired effect of punishment, (even though I think it shouldn’t come to the point where you are forced to get physical, you need to build a different type of authority).

Problem is even if you’re a MMA world champion, you do not teach a kid to obey from fear of physical punishment, but from respect of the father figure, however that may be achieved by dad.

If you start to get physical, where do you draw the line? The line is always there and I’m sure you’re thinking of the line being set right after boxing the kid, though I’d set it before physical encounters even start. If there’s in fact no line, the kid only needs to find a good weapon to carry. A knife should be a simple start. BAM, equal.

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And this is no friendly sparring session I’m talking about, but punishment. Big difference.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

[/quote]

On this we will not agree.

Sparring is the act of Teaching or Practicing. Not Discipline for Punishment.

Tell me what the kid is learning by throwing a punch at the father, other than his dad is a better fighter.

I’m sure pops and the kid have trained dozens of times. No big deal even if someone got tagged it’s training.

But once Anger and punishment is put on the table it’s not the same. It’s a fight to show dominance. [/quote]

It’s no freaking difference from grabbing a switch of a tree and hitting your kid.[/quote]

I’m not giving the Kid a switch also and asking him to fence.
[/quote]

BTW where do you draw from such mental stamina to argue so gently and politely for pages and try explain the same point over and over? I want some please :slight_smile:

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[quote]So What wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

[/quote]

On this we will not agree.

Sparring is the act of Teaching or Practicing. Not Discipline for Punishment.

Tell me what the kid is learning by throwing a punch at the father, other than his dad is a better fighter.

I’m sure pops and the kid have trained dozens of times. No big deal even if someone got tagged it’s training.

But once Anger and punishment is put on the table it’s not the same. It’s a fight to show dominance. [/quote]

It’s no freaking difference from grabbing a switch of a tree and hitting your kid.[/quote]

I’m not giving the Kid a switch also and asking him to fence.
[/quote]

BTW where do you draw from such mental stamina to argue so gently and politely for pages and try explain the same point over and over? I want some please :)[/quote]

Its called being an adult father.

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[quote]So What wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG
[/quote]

???

It’s been written several times, but you will have a hard time convincing people that sparring with a kid is somehow destroying the hierarchy between parents and children…because that is what sparring is…giving your kid permission to hit you and you to hit him.

This kid grew up with a pro fighter. I am betting he has thrown punches at dad before many times and it wasn’t meant to undermine the relationship.

[/quote]

On this we will not agree.

Sparring is the act of Teaching or Practicing. Not Discipline for Punishment.

Tell me what the kid is learning by throwing a punch at the father, other than his dad is a better fighter.

I’m sure pops and the kid have trained dozens of times. No big deal even if someone got tagged it’s training.

But once Anger and punishment is put on the table it’s not the same. It’s a fight to show dominance. [/quote]

It’s no freaking difference from grabbing a switch of a tree and hitting your kid.[/quote]

I’m not giving the Kid a switch also and asking him to fence.
[/quote]

BTW where do you draw from such mental stamina to argue so gently and politely for pages and try explain the same point over and over? I want some please :)[/quote]

it takes an abundance of mental stamina to argue with X. oh and bigger guys need more oxygen too!

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I’m retired, with 4 hobbies

I read
Collect knives
Shoot guns
Work Out

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I still don’t get why the kid stepped into the ring

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[quote]Kanada wrote:
I still don’t get why the kid stepped into the ring[/quote]

Probably because he wasn’t new to this. The real question is, who called the cops?

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[quote]So What wrote:
And this is no friendly sperring session I’m talking about, but punishment. Big difference.[/quote]

? Who hasn’t acknowledged this?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
I still don’t get why the kid stepped into the ring[/quote]

Probably because he wasn’t new to this. The real question is, who called the cops?[/quote]

or he didn’t have a choice.

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I don’t think this is abuse (although I wasn’t there), but a professional boxer sparring with his kid is a lot different than a regular Joe boxing with his kid. I remember hearing that a professional boxers hands are legally considered lethal weapons.[/quote]

Obviously this is a cherry pick, but I would rather take a whopping from a pro boxers than an average joe. An average joe might have to actually fight for his life to beat me, a boxer would just do what was necessary to beat me up. [/quote]

This is PURE GOLD.

Someone having to “fight for his life” to be you.

Unintentional lulz.