Boxing with Son is Child Abuse? Really?

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.

Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.

And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]

I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.

I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]

Haha, naa I get it. I’m not saying the Kid thought he had a chance.

I’m saying the Act of treating it like a competition is wrong.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do some of you immediately start personally attacking people just because they don’t agree with you?

I could see if both sides were tossing insults…but it’s always the same guys.[/quote]
[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. Most threads lately have the intellectual depth of diarrhea. No discussion can take place anymore because if anyone dares question why you believe what you do, they can be sure others will harp on their post count or whether they can do a deadlift for 17 pages.

The arguments that don’t find a problem with this are not disjointed or insane. Disagreeing with it doesn’t make you right.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.

Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.

And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]

I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.

I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]

Haha, naa I get it. I’m not saying the Kid thought he had a chance.

I’m saying the Act of treating it like a competition is wrong. [/quote]

It can’t possibly be a competition if there is no chance in hell of winning.

That is his point.

Yeah, you COULD fight Mike Tyson in his prime…but my guess is, there is no competition.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do some of you immediately start personally attacking people just because they don’t agree with you?

I could see if both sides were tossing insults…but it’s always the same guys.[/quote]
[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. Most threads lately have the intellectual depth of diarrhea. No discussion can take place anymore because if anyone dares question why you believe what you do, they can be sure others will harp on their post count or whether they can do a deadlift for 17 pages.

The arguments that don’t find a problem with this are not disjointed or insane. Disagreeing with it doesn’t make you right.[/quote]

come on man, you know exactly what I mean and that you’re comment was a trolling one.

You throw that out as a passive aggressive jab at Irish and TBG even though Bodyguard just called you out about the passive aggressive thing… you HAVE to know that you’re trolling him by doing it again right after you guys had that exchange in the BIG GUYS clothes thread.

but there is one thing that you are definitely right about: “Disagreeing with it doesnt make you right” (but that applies to you as well)

lol… you know you were trolling.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do some of you immediately start personally attacking people just because they don’t agree with you?

I could see if both sides were tossing insults…but it’s always the same guys.[/quote]
[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. Most threads lately have the intellectual depth of diarrhea. No discussion can take place anymore because if anyone dares question why you believe what you do, they can be sure others will harp on their post count or whether they can do a deadlift for 17 pages.

The arguments that don’t find a problem with this are not disjointed or insane. Disagreeing with it doesn’t make you right.[/quote]

come on man, you know exactly what I mean and that you’re comment was a trolling one.

You throw that out as a passive aggressive jab at Irish and TBG even though Bodyguard just called you out about the passive aggressive thing… you HAVE to know that you’re trolling him by doing it again right after you guys had that exchange (in the BIG GUYS clothes thread i think?)

but there is one thing that you are definitely right about: “Disagreeing with it doesnt make you right” (but that applies to you as well)

lol… you know you were trolling.[/quote]

I wasn’t trolling. I called him out in THAT thread because that thread would have died after post number two. I did not call him out in this one…in fact, the ONLY people tossing insults here were Irish, Bodyguard and now you. What happened to the ability to debate an issue at all?

Either put your thoughts together better to defend your point or quit responding.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do some of you immediately start personally attacking people just because they don’t agree with you?

I could see if both sides were tossing insults…but it’s always the same guys.[/quote]
[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. Most threads lately have the intellectual depth of diarrhea. No discussion can take place anymore because if anyone dares question why you believe what you do, they can be sure others will harp on their post count or whether they can do a deadlift for 17 pages.

The arguments that don’t find a problem with this are not disjointed or insane. Disagreeing with it doesn’t make you right.[/quote]

come on man, you know exactly what I mean and that you’re comment was a trolling one.

You throw that out as a passive aggressive jab at Irish and TBG even though Bodyguard just called you out about the passive aggressive thing… you HAVE to know that you’re trolling him by doing it again right after you guys had that exchange (in the BIG GUYS clothes thread i think?)

but there is one thing that you are definitely right about: “Disagreeing with it doesnt make you right” (but that applies to you as well)

lol… you know you were trolling.[/quote]

I wasn’t trolling. I called him out in THAT thread because that thread would have died after post number two. I did not call him out in this one…in fact, the ONLY people tossing insults here were Irish, Bodyguard and now you. What happened to the ability to debate an issue at all?

Either put your thoughts together better to defend your point or quit responding.[/quote]

bwaaaaaahahahahahaha are you serious?

where in my post was i “tossing insults”???

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.

Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.

And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]

I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.

I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]
Haha, naa I get it. I’m not saying the Kid thought he had a chance.

I’m saying the Act of treating it like a competition is wrong. [/quote]

It can’t possibly be a competition if there is no chance in hell of winning.

That is his point.

Yeah, you COULD fight Mike Tyson in his prime…but my guess is, there is no competition.[/quote]

Why give the option of squaring off with the kid. What’s the lesson? That dad is stronger?

If you are going to punish then punish.

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Like I said…way too many threads that go like this lately.

No offense, but we actually used to have some decent debates here. Some of the best were with the authors. I don’t see that happening again any time soon.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.

Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.

And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]

I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.

I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]
Haha, naa I get it. I’m not saying the Kid thought he had a chance.

I’m saying the Act of treating it like a competition is wrong. [/quote]

It can’t possibly be a competition if there is no chance in hell of winning.

That is his point.

Yeah, you COULD fight Mike Tyson in his prime…but my guess is, there is no competition.[/quote]

Why give the option of squaring off with the kid. What’s the lesson? That dad is stronger?

If you are going to punish then punish.
[/quote]

He did punish him.

What’s the lesson in a coach making football players who fuck up run laps?

This kid was not hurt badly and if he grew up in that house, I seriously doubt getting hit with some gloves was a new occurrence. You simply disagree with how but have not explained what exactly is so wrong here.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
If you are going to punish then punish.
[/quote]

He did punish him.
[/quote]

by punching him in the face… a professional fighter and a juvenile…

are you really comparing a COACH making a player run laps at practice to a father punching his kid in the face for lying to him and calling it “sparring” because the father is a professional fighter?

So that makes it ok? Its ok to punch the kid in the face because he wasnt hurt badly and it has probably (in your professional opinion) happened before? Serious?

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^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.

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While I can see merit from both sides in this debate/argument, I’m still of the mindset that the kid:

-did something very wrong
-lied about it
-attempted to get his grown man on

When faced with the consequence of actually “manning up” by lacing up the gloves with dad, he probably had a very healthy amount of fear running thru his veins. Probably didn’t think the “sparring session/punishment” was going to take place.

This is just my thoughts/assumptions/opinions on the matter. None of us know the complete story, so all we can do is go off of the article. My point is that Alexander attempted to teach his son a lesson in a different manner than most of us would have done.

Still curious about how the cops got involved, though.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

by punching him in the face… a professional fighter and a juvenile…

[/quote]

The outcome was a “SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE”. That means these were not punches meant to inflict much damage.

The difference between this and spanking is what exactly?

The props used?

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[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.

Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.

And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]

I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.

I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]

Look, if my dad was a ufc fighter and told me he wanted to see if I was man enough to try fight in, or lace the gloves up with him, I would probably say no dad, I’m not going to try prove my manhood. As it stood, the son still volunteered to lace the gloves up. I don’t understand how you force the gloves on the kids hands

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[quote]four60 wrote:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

Just to have a lil fun with this, have you never encountered someone who was obviously stronger than you, but would still win in a fight?

Youthful piss & vinegar vs. Experienced grit and “old man” strength.

And some of you know what I mean by “old man strength”!! lol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The outcome was a “SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE”. That means these were not punches meant to inflict much damage.

The difference between this and spanking is what exactly?

The props used?

[/quote]

Are you really wondering what the difference between spanking someone on the butt and punching someone in the face is?

I’ve included a picture for ya

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.

Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.

And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]

I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.

I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]

Second, my dad always tried to make me his equal, because enforcing a hierarchy based purely on age is retarded. If I confronted my dad, physically, he would probably be man enough to take it like a man, kick me out of the house, not go blow for blow. Thus, since I am equal, I challenge him all the time, when the situation is appropriate. It doesn’t make him angry to see me be better than him.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The outcome was a “SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE”. That means these were not punches meant to inflict much damage.

The difference between this and spanking is what exactly?

The props used?

[/quote]

Are you really wondering what the difference between spanking someone on the butt and punching someone in the face is?

I’ve included a picture for ya[/quote]

? You seem to be missing the point here…but thanks for the graphic pictures.

Spanking is PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE. This was an attempt at PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE. The damage caused has to be the focus because you can spank a child to death as well.

Get it?

Just because gloves were involved with the discipline does not automatically make it wrong…unless you are against all physical discipline.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Yes I have.

As for the coach making the team do Laps. The Coach is not running with the fuck ups. He is laying out discipline.

You keep stating how the dad didn’t really hurt the kid. That was never my point.

Why are YOU the parent squaring off with your kid. The only lesson is IF I was stronger I would have won.

And you never answered the question:

What if the Kid is Stronger.[/quote]

If the kid is stronger you likely wouldn’t do this.

The point HAS to be whether the kid was injured because that is then only thing that makes physical discipline wrong…physical or emotional damage.

Otherwise, what is wrong with it?[/quote]

Giving Your Child Permission to Throw A Punch At His Parents as part of the Discipline. That is 100% WRONG