[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
When I was 16 I went through an ‘I hate my Dad’ phase.
I tried to man up to him once and I ended up choked out and waking up in my bed.
I went straight to the living room and apologized.
He was my Dad and I hit him. I deserved it.
I crossed the line you do not cross with your parent.[/quote]
One time, I got in an arguement with my dad, he hit me. I immediately apologized because I was not going to hit my dad. First and only time. Otherwise, I just kinda knew that I would be 18 soon enough, and that my dads health was on the downward slope. Thus, I despise children who act out against their parents, mostly for being selfish[/quote]
Yeah, I’m that way now too, but I was slow getting there. I had issues.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Four60, I sparred with my dad. The entire thing was a lesson. That is why I don’t see this as “he’s teaching him to take a swing at him”. That doesn’t make sense in a household where boxing is the norm. It would make sense this kid grew up around this and that this was not some first lesson teaching him to beat up dad like you really seem to think.[/quote]
I guess we will not see eye to eye on this one. Because I have no issue with a DAD sparring with his kid.
FightingIrish is right this was not a sparring session. It was PUNISHMENT.
"Alexander found his son sending explicit messages to women via Facebook, so he handed his son a pair of boxing gloves. From KMTV in Omaha:
According to police reports, “Alexander then retrieved boxing gloves and told his son, ‘If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box.’” The two reportedly boxed in the basement. Officers describe the teen as having a “slight bloody nose and pain to his right side.”
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“We are going to box” seems like a sparring session. The child was given the choice, he laced up the gloves, he wanted to prove to someone that he wasn’t afraid.
“I’m going to beat your ass with boxing gloves on” is punishment
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“We are going to Box” means I’m giving you the Chance to Hit me Like I’m going to Hit you.
Not becuase I want you to learn to protect yourself. But Because you Broke the Rules.
If you are punishing your child Why are you allowing them the chance…the OPTION of punishing you?
It does not matter if the kid has no chance at hurting you. You are telling the Kid if you do something wrong You get a chance to fight your way out of it with DAD.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
When I was 16 I went through an ‘I hate my Dad’ phase.
I tried to man up to him once and I ended up choked out and waking up in my bed.
I went straight to the living room and apologized.
He was my Dad and I hit him. I deserved it.
I crossed the line you do not cross with your parent.[/quote]
One time, I got in an arguement with my dad, he hit me. I immediately apologized because I was not going to hit my dad. First and only time. Otherwise, I just kinda knew that I would be 18 soon enough, and that my dads health was on the downward slope. Thus, I despise children who act out against their parents, mostly for being selfish[/quote]
Yeah, I’m that way now too, but I was slow getting there. I had issues.
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Which means that the same punishment for other kids may not have been the best punishment for you. Parents - know your child and nurture them and punish them as needed.
? No one is missing this was punishment. What is wrong with it? Because he bled? You can’t cherry pick. To be against any and all physical punishment like this would mean you would be against “violent” sports in school…so wrestling and football are out.
His dad taught him a lesson. What makes this method so morally wrong?[/quote]
Are you fucking kidding? You know I box, and I’m not against violent sports.
What I am against is hitting your kids unless there are spectacular circumstances. And I think that its a bad idea on the part of the father to put his kid in the situation where he could possibly be an equal - and that’s what boxing, or fighting, is.
You create the biggest red herrings in the entire world. I’ve seriously never seen someone make such illogical jumps during their “arguing.” You are in serious need of a philosophy course that explains logic, premises, and validity of an argument.
There is absolutely NO connection between violent sports and violently disciplining your children.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
When I was 16 I went through an ‘I hate my Dad’ phase.
I tried to man up to him once and I ended up choked out and waking up in my bed.
I went straight to the living room and apologized.
He was my Dad and I hit him. I deserved it.
I crossed the line you do not cross with your parent.[/quote]
One time, I got in an arguement with my dad, he hit me. I immediately apologized because I was not going to hit my dad. First and only time. Otherwise, I just kinda knew that I would be 18 soon enough, and that my dads health was on the downward slope. Thus, I despise children who act out against their parents, mostly for being selfish[/quote]
Yeah, I’m that way now too, but I was slow getting there. I had issues.
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Which means that the same punishment for other kids may not have been the best punishment for you. Parents - know your child and nurture them and punish them as needed.[/quote]
Well, if you can’t respect your family, prison isn’t far away. So, as a father, I would rather get a child abuse charge if it means my son finally realizes the error of his ways. If not, he’ll soon find a way to be someone elses problem.
HA - Dude, why are you posting this crap on the internet? Don’t you know I’m trying to get back in UFC?
Kid - I didn’t do that. That was somebody else.
HA - Don’t lie to me, its password protected. How could someone else do it?
KID- I SAID it wasn’t me.
HA - What???
Kid - Look Man it wasn’t me. I don’t know what else you want me to say.
HA - Oh, so now you think you’re bad and you want to man up huh?
Kid - No, I’m just saying it wasn’t me.
HA- Ok, going to keep lying huh, go downstairs.
I doubt this shit was planned punishment just too much testosterone. 16 yr old and Father vying for control.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
When I was 16 I went through an ‘I hate my Dad’ phase.
I tried to man up to him once and I ended up choked out and waking up in my bed.
I went straight to the living room and apologized.
He was my Dad and I hit him. I deserved it.
I crossed the line you do not cross with your parent.[/quote]
One time, I got in an arguement with my dad, he hit me. I immediately apologized because I was not going to hit my dad. First and only time. Otherwise, I just kinda knew that I would be 18 soon enough, and that my dads health was on the downward slope. Thus, I despise children who act out against their parents, mostly for being selfish[/quote]
Yeah, I’m that way now too, but I was slow getting there. I had issues.
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Which means that the same punishment for other kids may not have been the best punishment for you. Parents - know your child and nurture them and punish them as needed.[/quote]
? No one is missing this was punishment. What is wrong with it? Because he bled? You can’t cherry pick. To be against any and all physical punishment like this would mean you would be against “violent” sports in school…so wrestling and football are out.
His dad taught him a lesson. What makes this method so morally wrong?[/quote]
Are you fucking kidding? You know I box, and I’m not against violent sports.
What I am against is hitting your kids unless there are spectacular circumstances. And I think that its a bad idea on the part of the father to put his kid in the situation where he could possibly be an equal - and that’s what boxing, or fighting, is.
You create the biggest red herrings in the entire world. I’ve seriously never seen someone make such illogical jumps during their “arguing.” You are in serious need of a philosophy course that explains logic, premises, and validity of an argument.
There is absolutely NO connection between violent sports and violently disciplining your children.[/quote]
Bullshit. You can’t be this against a man sparring with his kid to teach a lesson where the only outcome is a SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE as reported by police yet be for high school sports that cause physical damage.
Bullshit. You can’t be this against a man sparring with his kid to teach a lesson where the only outcome is a SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE as reported by police yet be for high school sports that cause physical damage.
THAT is what makes no sense.[/quote]
Sparring is to teach a lesson about HOW TO FUCKING BOX. It’s not for “punishment” or to show your kid up or teach him a lesson about how to behave.
Sports have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT, where are you even getting this from?
Bullshit. You can’t be this against a man sparring with his kid to teach a lesson where the only outcome is a SLIGHTLY BLOOD NOSE as reported by police yet be for high school sports that cause physical damage.
THAT is what makes no sense.[/quote]
Sparring is to teach a lesson about HOW TO FUCKING BOX. It’s not for “punishment” or to show your kid up or teach him a lesson about how to behave.
Sports have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT, where are you even getting this from?
You’re on another fucking planet. [/quote]
? Sparring is ALWAYS about teaching a lesson…and what makes this so different than a spanking? He was physically disciplined…and he was NOT injured badly at all. The problem therefore is WHAT?
Your whole point is riding on nothing but that you think it’s wrong…but yet to have to show HOW.
It doesn’t put me on another planet simply because I question your beliefs.
i havent read any of the replies in this thread but he DEFINITELY deserved the ticket.
Its not like the guy was “training” his son for a fight and working on conditioning/technique/whatever… he was “sparring” with his son as a form of punishment for lying to him (according to the article)
Anyone who thinks its ok to punish your kid by punching him in the face (while using the term “sparring” as a cover) is probably lacking in parenting skills.
I’m not 100% sure where I stand on this one to be honest…
A) Because to me a 16 year old is no longer really a ‘child’ IMHO (16 & 17 year olds are what I would call ‘trainee’ adults & should be treated as such).
B) As another poster pointed out I don’t know who exactly who alerted the authorities.
C) Mixing up sport & ‘punishment’ seems pretty fucked-up IMO.
D) Physical punishments tend to build Resentment & or FEAR more so than anything else…I’m pretty sure if either of my parents had of hit me, I WOULD have hit them back…maybe not straight away, but somewhere down the line I’d have EXPLODED!!
[quote]twiceborn wrote:
Wow, must have been a slow news day.
Good for Alexander, he did what every father should do. His kid was being a little a–hole
and he showed him that his behavior wouldn’t be tolerated, though it seems that the police
stuck their noses in and undid any positive lesson that may have come from it.
Maybe if Bernie Maddoff’s poppa would have put down the gefilte fish and tagged the little
f—er a few times growing up more people would still have their retirement funds, but I
digress…
We live in a world where little pricks grow up to be big pricks and passive-aggressive P.C.
bull like THIS is why.
I quit humanity.
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You just made either an intentional or unintentional anti-semetic reference. Perhaps you were never part of humanity?
But you’re probably right; the solution is beat the little fuckers. Because I’m sure in Oregon, you’ve never been around those little fuckers that got their asses beat and then grow up to be dysfunctional predators. I think it rains too much there or something.
Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.
Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.
And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]
I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.
I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.
Yeah, You’re right. I’m guessing it went just like that.
Ok…In all honesty. The conversation for me would have ended with him saying “LOOK MAN” at me.
And I would not have given him a shot at the title.[/quote]
I read all your replies on this, and I understand where you’re coming from. But you’re overlooking the fact that the dad is a professional fighter known for his heavy hands. His son has no fucking chance against him. I think the son was probably aware of his dad’s ability, and just hearing “get the gloves on” made his blood run cold on the spot.
I do get what you’re saying though. If my son tried to confront me like a grown man, I’m not letting him think for a minute that he’s my equal and therefore entitled to challenge me. That’s not how my fucking house works.[/quote]
…and we get that and understand it.
I agree with you…this was not some situation where the kid would think he could knock dad out.
