Boxing with Son is Child Abuse? Really?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I bet junior won’t do it again.

Ends justify the means.[/quote]

I bet he will, because he’s not stupid and I’m sure he realizes that all of the negative media attention drawn to his father for doing this means that he’ll never be able to do it again.[/quote]

?

Children aren’t usually enemies with their parents…and like I stated before, I grew up with boxing and karate. It wasn’t rare for me to spar with adults. I could see this scenario happening if I had been 16 and tried to step to my dad. Only now is it a crime to physically discipline your child in any way that ENTIRE COUNTRY doesn’t see as appropriate.

Unless the kid hates his dad, I seriously don’t see him acting the same way again as if he is daring dad to touch him.

I also love how these discussions ignore the flipside of letting these kids do whatever the hell they want.[/quote]

So at 16 you would have taken a shot at your pops? Are you saying it’s ok for a kid to fight his dad?
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I never would have taken a shot at my dad. My dad could take me out.

Why is it wrong for a kid to fight his dad when his dad knows how tom pull a punch and the whole goal is to teach a lesson?[/quote]

Because you are Dad. A kid should not be treated as your Equal. I have no problem with dad schooling the kid with his hand skills. I have issue with a kid thinking he can swing back.

I’m not teaching him to fight. I’m letting his ass know who is the adult and who is not.

If The punishment is to go up side his head for fucking up then do it. But no you do not get to swing back.

I’m the Judge in the house. You can plead your case but you never get to take a shot at me.

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Wait…so you guys really think the is the first time they sparred?

What do you guys think happens when you train someone to fight?

What some of you are saying is like considering the game of football to be child abuse because they bleed on the field.

  1. I doubt this kid was untrained
  2. dad had a lesson to teach and his lesson doubtfully caused any permanent physical or psychological damage.

So what makes it wrong?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I bet junior won’t do it again.

Ends justify the means.[/quote]

I bet he will, because he’s not stupid and I’m sure he realizes that all of the negative media attention drawn to his father for doing this means that he’ll never be able to do it again.[/quote]

?

Children aren’t usually enemies with their parents…and like I stated before, I grew up with boxing and karate. It wasn’t rare for me to spar with adults. I could see this scenario happening if I had been 16 and tried to step to my dad. Only now is it a crime to physically discipline your child in any way that ENTIRE COUNTRY doesn’t see as appropriate.

Unless the kid hates his dad, I seriously don’t see him acting the same way again as if he is daring dad to touch him.

I also love how these discussions ignore the flipside of letting these kids do whatever the hell they want.[/quote]

So at 16 you would have taken a shot at your pops? Are you saying it’s ok for a kid to fight his dad?
[/quote]

I never would have taken a shot at my dad. My dad could take me out.

Why is it wrong for a kid to fight his dad when his dad knows how tom pull a punch and the whole goal is to teach a lesson?[/quote]

Because you are Dad. A kid should not be treated as your Equal. I have no problem with dad schooling the kid with his hand skills. I have issue with a kid thinking he can swing back.

I’m not teaching him to fight. I’m letting his ass know who is the adult and who is not.

If The punishment is to go up side his head for fucking up then do it. But no you do not get to swing back.

I’m the Judge in the house. You can plead your case but you never get to take a shot at me.
[/quote]

Put the last line on a plaque and hang it on the wall by the dinner table.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wait…so you guys really think the is the first time they sparred?

What do you guys think happens when you train someone to fight?

What some of you are saying is like considering the game of football to be child abuse because they bleed on the field.

  1. I doubt this kid was untrained
  2. dad had a lesson to teach and his lesson doubtfully caused any permanent physical or psychological damage.

So what makes it wrong?[/quote]

Wait…What???

Its not the same thing AT all.

If he is teaching his kid to fight/Box/Wrestle and the kids takes a couple shots and gets some black and blues thats all apart of the lesson. If he takes one to the head and some blood falls that is all part of the lesson. I don’t think the dad is trying to bust up his kid.

He was not teaching his kid to fight.

He was punishing his kid for bad behaivor by Challenging him to a boxing match.

I’m one of those guys that don’t think you should spank a child after a certain age becuase at some point you need to teach them to think shit out and not “No…bad…spank”.

But even I would take spanking a kid over Boxing a kid.

Are you cool with a Judge giving a Criminal a shot in the ring for his crimes OR do you just punish his ass.

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Shit, we need to get rid of high school basketball, football and baseball just so no more children get “abused”. I seriously doubt the little angels are all making it through without a scratch.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

Wait…What???

Its not the same thing AT all.

If he is teaching his kid to fight/Box/Wrestle and the kids takes a couple shots and gets some black and blues thats all apart of the lesson. If he takes one to the head and some blood falls that is all part of the lesson. I don’t think the dad is trying to bust up his kid.

He was not teaching his kid to fight.

He was punishing his kid for bad behaivor buy Challenging him to a boxing match.

I’m one of those guys that don’t think you should spank a child after a certain age becuase at some point you need to teach them to think shit out and not “No…bad…spank”.

But even I would take spanking a kid over Boxing a kid.

Are you cool with a Judge giving a Criminal a shot in the ring for his crimes OR do you just punish his ass.[/quote]

Once again, you really assume this kid had not sparred with his dad before and was untrained?

That is the only way that works out to some kind of torture. Otherwise, all he did was physically discipline his kid and teach him strategy at the same time. Just because you may not do the same, you are doing a bad job explaining what was so morally wrong about it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Wait…What???

Its not the same thing AT all.

If he is teaching his kid to fight/Box/Wrestle and the kids takes a couple shots and gets some black and blues thats all apart of the lesson. If he takes one to the head and some blood falls that is all part of the lesson. I don’t think the dad is trying to bust up his kid.

He was not teaching his kid to fight.

OK, now I think you’re messing with me. hahahahaha

You’re teaching the kid if he breaks YOUR rules he gets to Swing at YOU.
No matter what else he learns HE is also learning that.
He was punishing his kid for bad behaivor buy Challenging him to a boxing match.

I’m one of those guys that don’t think you should spank a child after a certain age becuase at some point you need to teach them to think shit out and not “No…bad…spank”.

But even I would take spanking a kid over Boxing a kid.

Are you cool with a Judge giving a Criminal a shot in the ring for his crimes OR do you just punish his ass.[/quote]

Once again, you really assume this kid had not sparred with his dad before and was untrained?

That is the only way that works out to some kind of torture. Otherwise, all he did was physically discipline his kid and teach him strategy at the same time. Just because you may not do the same, you are doing a bad job explaining what was so morally wrong about it.[/quote]

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How do bull riders discipline their kids?

Stunt men probably dont have kids do they?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I bet junior won’t do it again.

Ends justify the means.[/quote]

I bet he will, because he’s not stupid and I’m sure he realizes that all of the negative media attention drawn to his father for doing this means that he’ll never be able to do it again.[/quote]

?

Children aren’t usually enemies with their parents…and like I stated before, I grew up with boxing and karate. It wasn’t rare for me to spar with adults. I could see this scenario happening if I had been 16 and tried to step to my dad. Only now is it a crime to physically discipline your child in any way that ENTIRE COUNTRY doesn’t see as appropriate.

Unless the kid hates his dad, I seriously don’t see him acting the same way again as if he is daring dad to touch him.

I also love how these discussions ignore the flipside of letting these kids do whatever the hell they want.[/quote]

So at 16 you would have taken a shot at your pops? Are you saying it’s ok for a kid to fight his dad?
[/quote]

I never would have taken a shot at my dad. My dad could take me out.

Why is it wrong for a kid to fight his dad when his dad knows how tom pull a punch and the whole goal is to teach a lesson?[/quote]

Because you are Dad. A kid should not be treated as your Equal. I have no problem with dad schooling the kid with his hand skills. I have issue with a kid thinking he can swing back.

I’m not teaching him to fight. I’m letting his ass know who is the adult and who is not.

If The punishment is to go up side his head for fucking up then do it. But no you do not get to swing back.

I’m the Judge in the house. You can plead your case but you never get to take a shot at me.
[/quote]

I think I have a better understanding of where you’re coming from.

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I’m wondering who called the cops?

If it was the son, then the punishment didn’t work as the kid “retaliated” by using the police.

If it was a neighbour, then there’s not enough details to appropriately form an opinion as I could come up with scenarios either way.

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Four60, I sparred with my dad. The entire thing was a lesson. That is why I don’t see this as “he’s teaching him to take a swing at him”. That doesn’t make sense in a household where boxing is the norm. It would make sense this kid grew up around this and that this was not some first lesson teaching him to beat up dad like you really seem to think.

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When I was 16 I went through an ‘I hate my Dad’ phase.

I tried to man up to him once and I ended up choked out and waking up in my bed.

I went straight to the living room and apologized.

He was my Dad and I hit him. I deserved it.

I crossed the line you do not cross with your parent.

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X, your reading comprehension is horrendous.

You’re missing the main premise of EVERYONE’s argument, which is that THIS WASN’T FUCKING SPARRING, it was “teach him a lesson” time.

I can’t see how this is escaping you so badly. We’re talking apples and you’re talking coffee.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Four60, I sparred with my dad. The entire thing was a lesson. That is why I don’t see this as “he’s teaching him to take a swing at him”. That doesn’t make sense in a household where boxing is the norm. It would make sense this kid grew up around this and that this was not some first lesson teaching him to beat up dad like you really seem to think.[/quote]

I guess we will not see eye to eye on this one. Because I have no issue with a DAD sparring with his kid.

FightingIrish is right this was not a sparring session. It was PUNISHMENT.

"Alexander found his son sending explicit messages to women via Facebook, so he handed his son a pair of boxing gloves. From KMTV in Omaha:

According to police reports, “Alexander then retrieved boxing gloves and told his son, ‘If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box.’” The two reportedly boxed in the basement. Officers describe the teen as having a “slight bloody nose and pain to his right side.”

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I don’t think this is abuse (although I wasn’t there), but a professional boxer sparring with his kid is a lot different than a regular Joe boxing with his kid. I remember hearing that a professional boxers hands are legally considered lethal weapons.[/quote]

Obviously this is a cherry pick, but I would rather take a whopping from a pro boxers than an average joe. An average joe might have to actually fight for his life to beat me, a boxer would just do what was necessary to beat me up.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
When I was 16 I went through an ‘I hate my Dad’ phase.

I tried to man up to him once and I ended up choked out and waking up in my bed.

I went straight to the living room and apologized.

He was my Dad and I hit him. I deserved it.

I crossed the line you do not cross with your parent.[/quote]

One time, I got in an arguement with my dad, he hit me. I immediately apologized because I was not going to hit my dad. First and only time. Otherwise, I just kinda knew that I would be 18 soon enough, and that my dads health was on the downward slope. Thus, I despise children who act out against their parents, mostly for being selfish

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
X, your reading comprehension is horrendous.

You’re missing the main premise of EVERYONE’s argument, which is that THIS WASN’T FUCKING SPARRING, it was “teach him a lesson” time.

I can’t see how this is escaping you so badly. We’re talking apples and you’re talking coffee.[/quote]

? No one is missing this was punishment. What is wrong with it? Because he bled? You can’t cherry pick. To be against any and all physical punishment like this would mean you would be against “violent” sports in school…so wrestling and football are out.

His dad taught him a lesson. What makes this method so morally wrong?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Four60, I sparred with my dad. The entire thing was a lesson. That is why I don’t see this as “he’s teaching him to take a swing at him”. That doesn’t make sense in a household where boxing is the norm. It would make sense this kid grew up around this and that this was not some first lesson teaching him to beat up dad like you really seem to think.[/quote]

I guess we will not see eye to eye on this one. Because I have no issue with a DAD sparring with his kid.

FightingIrish is right this was not a sparring session. It was PUNISHMENT.

"Alexander found his son sending explicit messages to women via Facebook, so he handed his son a pair of boxing gloves. From KMTV in Omaha:

According to police reports, “Alexander then retrieved boxing gloves and told his son, ‘If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box.’” The two reportedly boxed in the basement. Officers describe the teen as having a “slight bloody nose and pain to his right side.”

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“We are going to box” seems like a sparring session. The child was given the choice, he laced up the gloves, he wanted to prove to someone that he wasn’t afraid.

“I’m going to beat your ass with boxing gloves on” is punishment

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Four60, I sparred with my dad. The entire thing was a lesson. That is why I don’t see this as “he’s teaching him to take a swing at him”. That doesn’t make sense in a household where boxing is the norm. It would make sense this kid grew up around this and that this was not some first lesson teaching him to beat up dad like you really seem to think.[/quote]

I guess we will not see eye to eye on this one. Because I have no issue with a DAD sparring with his kid.

FightingIrish is right this was not a sparring session. It was PUNISHMENT.

"Alexander found his son sending explicit messages to women via Facebook, so he handed his son a pair of boxing gloves. From KMTV in Omaha:

According to police reports, “Alexander then retrieved boxing gloves and told his son, ‘If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box.’” The two reportedly boxed in the basement. Officers describe the teen as having a “slight bloody nose and pain to his right side.”

[/quote]

“We are going to box” seems like a sparring session. The child was given the choice, he laced up the gloves, he wanted to prove to someone that he wasn’t afraid.

“I’m going to beat your ass with boxing gloves on” is punishment
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Exactly…and a “slightly blood nose” is NOT child abuse for a sixteen year old kid who literally grew up with a professional fighter in the house.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

You are holding fast to the SHOULD factor. I don’t know about everyone else, but I have seen firsthand a teenager try to “man up” to his parent. In those situations, a point NEEDS to be made. Conventional means rarely work in these situations. [/quote]

But boxing with them is not the way to do it.

I totally agree with you, believe me. And a well placed shot to the solar plexus/liver/floating ribs when they ain’t expecting it will do that job.

But the point Four60 is making - and the point I agree with you - is that you don’t want to give your kid the CHANCE to be on equal footing with you by boxing with him. You’re not punishing him by doing that.

And while the dude in question is a different case cause he’s a pro, 98 percent of fathers are going to lose their physical prowess just as their kid is really coming into his, meaning that the manner of punishment gives them the chance to humiliate you.

It’s not the course I would take. Or my father would have.[/quote]

In the immortal words of Sean Connery:

“If the woman (child) won’t drop the ishhue, then shumtimshes the only thing to do is to give her a shmack”

But I have had to handle children, where there was no available time out area, no toys, and plenty of space to run away. Thus, I used physical intimidation to keep the rowdy ones in line. They loved me unconditionally, because, in a weird way, they understood that the same violence I used to cow them I would use to protect them. And they knew they were acting out and deserved it. LIke rational children.