Boxing with Son is Child Abuse? Really?

And by the way (no one has mentioned this), the kids that are the biggest problem today are often those that have been raised by parents that aint shit to begin with. Crack hit in the late 80’s. The young generation out here now is the grandchildren of those mothers. Single parenthood and a complete lack of parenting skills is a far greater contributor to any perceived problem than a lack of “whipping that ass”. I see these moms “whipping that ass” all the time…and it’s those little motherfuckers that a few years later are toting guns and running wild.

Many of these kids today are the result of babies having babies having babies. Absent fathers, and piss-poor mothers.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
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If Tiger Wood’s kids challenge him one day and he takes them to a golf course to teach them who is boss, he is parenting wrong?
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Dumbest irrelevant analogy EVER. And I’m not even trying to insult you. I’m trying to be nice.

Are you fucking serious? Did you just make a comparison between physically dominating your son in a fight and playing golf?

Tell me you’re fucking trolling b/c at this point I’ll even believe RV is your alternate account. [/quote]

WHAT? You dont see the OOOOOOOBVIOUS comparison?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
^Agreed…which is why no one can claim it is WRONG to teach your kid who is boss by boxing with him when you are a world class professional.

If Tiger Wood’s kids challenge him one day and he takes them to a golf course to teach them who is boss, he is parenting wrong?

The ONLY valid argument here is if you are simply against all physical discipline…otherwise, let parents raise their own freaking kids and maybe we will get loss self entitled teenagers who think they can talk back to every teacher or person of authority because they have no fear of the consequences.

And again…we tried to discuss this all at first.[/quote]

Had a funny interaction with some 14-15yr old kids at the movie theater over Christmas. My wife and I went to see Hugo in 3d. The movie is about to start and these two boys come in and sit behind us. The one leans forward and starts talking to me. " hey can I borrow your movie ticket my friend threw ours out and the lady at the front said we can’t come back in without it. I want to get a drink." I replied, “sorry I am not going to give you my ticket.” It was clear to me that they were sneaking into the film and wanted my ticket to go get glasses. He replies with some attitude, “why can’t you just give me you ticket?” So I asked him if he had his 3G glasses? He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was. My wife begging me to ignore it and that I was over reacting only help confirm to these boys that they may have just made a big mistake. The kid that swore at me nodded yes confirming he saw how big I was, I asked if he thought he should be careful how he spoke to me? He looked confused, so I said you swore at me didn’t you? Yes, I am sorry i shouldn’t have done that he replied. I said ok but you are not as smart as you think or I am not as dumb as you thought. I sat back down, they quietly got up and left.
The fact that he thought he was going to get over on me, the theater, and that when called on it he thought he could curse at me to intimidate me is what pissed me off. I would have never spoke to any adult, especially one my size in that way when I was in high school. [/quote]

Your wife is right. You did over-react.

And did you really need to provide your body measurements to describe your encounter with teenagers?

And please bring that shit around my way where a teenager don’t give a fuck how big you are and will have you chalked on the sidewalk. For real.
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Yeah because the fact that I was in Sherman oaks didn’t factor in to how I decided to handle the situation. I choose to not go to theater in watts for a reason as well. I lack complete ability to asses a situation. I gave my size to illustrate that I as a high schooler would have never gone up to a stranger, especially of my size and disrespect them. I grew up in Texas though and would have expected an adult to back hand me for that type of shit, and had I went running to my parents I would have expected them to say you deserved it.

I have lived in NJ, we discussed it in another thread, and I made it out alive. I don’t walk around flexing on people or starting fight. I did not swear or even raise my voice when speaking to the kids. I show respect to everyone and expect the same back.

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree. The point is that until a child is mature enough to understand accountability or consequences for actions fear is a huge motivator. does it always have to be physical punishment to get or eliminate a behavior? Hopefully not but for some it is more effective then others. every child is a snow flake completely different from the next, and some of those snowflakes need to get their ass kicked to know who is the boss. [/quote]

LOL…I hear you. But a 16 year old is old enough to understand about accountability or consequences for his actions. And if they aren’t mature enough to understand about accountability or consequences then is hitting them really a great way of teaching that to them? I mean this is supposed to be all about teaching the kid not showing them who’s boss.

james

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Some kids, especially around that age need a reminder. If you have done a good job up to that point it maybe effective. I personally responded well to shame. Once my friends and I got stealing and as punishment from our school we had to work at the school during summer vacation painting. My parents made me call my grandmother and tell her what I did, that had a much longer lasting effect then the work. That being said, I have known friends that getting their ass handed to the by their dad or just a random stranger is what finally got through.
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just imagine if their father’s had arms just a bit over 18" and none of that “ass handing” would have been necessary.

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Your funny dude. I actually have my first child coming in march. It is going to be a girl. Irregardless, I will never use force on my own children. Like I said shame I have found to be a much greater motivator. Reason being is that pride is what you learn to desire when you feel shame and regret.

I am not going to pretend though that I haven’t seen a good ass beating change the attitude of many of my friends when I was 16. We probably all new at least one guy that thought he was the biggest baddest dude, and he went around checking people and getting in fights. Everyone wanted him to get his ass beat so he knew what it felt like. I knew guys like that and they did get their ass handed to them, some more then once , and they cut that shit out. They didnt have bad families or no fathers, hell one is now an officer in the marines. He was just an angry kid with something to prove and though fighting got him the respect he wanted. The ass beating he took taugh him some humility.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]
Lol, calling me a douche and a tool. The kid could have dropped it when I told him no. He was being aggressive with his tone, I wanted him to be scared I wouldn’t do anything even it he took a swing, but I am a good judge of character and that was not likely. I felt like it was my duty to let him know his place, obviously his parents have failed to raise him to talk to people/adults with respect.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]
What would you have done? Just tell him to drop it he walks out thinking he can disrespect anyone he wants and go be someone else problem? I do believe it take a village to raise a child, and I believe he will think twice in the future when trying to pull that shit.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]
Also I can’t imagine two adults interacting that way, but I will tell you this I would have had a lot more harsh a response if it was someone my own age and size.

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Had a funny interaction with some 14-15yr old kids at the movie theater over Christmas. My wife and I went to see Hugo in 3d. The movie is about to start and these two boys come in and sit behind us. The one leans forward and starts talking to me. " hey can I borrow your movie ticket my friend threw ours out and the lady at the front said we can’t come back in without it. I want to get a drink." I replied, “sorry I am not going to give you my ticket.” It was clear to me that they were sneaking into the film and wanted my ticket to go get glasses. He replies with some attitude, “why can’t you just give me you ticket?” So I asked him if he had his 3G glasses? He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was. My wife begging me to ignore it and that I was over reacting only help confirm to these boys that they may have just made a big mistake. The kid that swore at me nodded yes confirming he saw how big I was, I asked if he thought he should be careful how he spoke to me? He looked confused, so I said you swore at me didn’t you? Yes, I am sorry i shouldn’t have done that he replied. I said ok but you are not as smart as you think or I am not as dumb as you thought. I sat back down, they quietly got up and left.
The fact that he thought he was going to get over on me, the theater, and that when called on it he thought he could curse at me to intimidate me is what pissed me off. I would have never spoke to any adult, especially one my size in that way when I was in high school.[/quote]

Actually, I’m genuinely more surprised that you didn’t just shrug and give the kid your ticket (which, at that point, was nothing more than trash to you) when he asked nicely enough in the first place.

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Had a funny interaction with some 14-15yr old kids at the movie theater over Christmas. My wife and I went to see Hugo in 3d. The movie is about to start and these two boys come in and sit behind us. The one leans forward and starts talking to me. " hey can I borrow your movie ticket my friend threw ours out and the lady at the front said we can’t come back in without it. I want to get a drink." I replied, “sorry I am not going to give you my ticket.” It was clear to me that they were sneaking into the film and wanted my ticket to go get glasses. He replies with some attitude, “why can’t you just give me you ticket?” So I asked him if he had his 3G glasses? He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was. My wife begging me to ignore it and that I was over reacting only help confirm to these boys that they may have just made a big mistake. The kid that swore at me nodded yes confirming he saw how big I was, I asked if he thought he should be careful how he spoke to me? He looked confused, so I said you swore at me didn’t you? Yes, I am sorry i shouldn’t have done that he replied. I said ok but you are not as smart as you think or I am not as dumb as you thought. I sat back down, they quietly got up and left.
The fact that he thought he was going to get over on me, the theater, and that when called on it he thought he could curse at me to intimidate me is what pissed me off. I would have never spoke to any adult, especially one my size in that way when I was in high school.[/quote]

Actually, I’m genuinely more surprised that you didn’t just shrug and give the kid your ticket (which, at that point, was nothing more than trash to you) when he asked nicely enough in the first place.[/quote]

If I stole a tv. You were 99% sure I did, and I told you I was just moving it and asked you nicely to help me carry it would you?

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Had a funny interaction with some 14-15yr old kids at the movie theater over Christmas. My wife and I went to see Hugo in 3d. The movie is about to start and these two boys come in and sit behind us. The one leans forward and starts talking to me. " hey can I borrow your movie ticket my friend threw ours out and the lady at the front said we can’t come back in without it. I want to get a drink." I replied, “sorry I am not going to give you my ticket.” It was clear to me that they were sneaking into the film and wanted my ticket to go get glasses. He replies with some attitude, “why can’t you just give me you ticket?” So I asked him if he had his 3G glasses? He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was. My wife begging me to ignore it and that I was over reacting only help confirm to these boys that they may have just made a big mistake. The kid that swore at me nodded yes confirming he saw how big I was, I asked if he thought he should be careful how he spoke to me? He looked confused, so I said you swore at me didn’t you? Yes, I am sorry i shouldn’t have done that he replied. I said ok but you are not as smart as you think or I am not as dumb as you thought. I sat back down, they quietly got up and left.
The fact that he thought he was going to get over on me, the theater, and that when called on it he thought he could curse at me to intimidate me is what pissed me off. I would have never spoke to any adult, especially one my size in that way when I was in high school.[/quote]

Actually, I’m genuinely more surprised that you didn’t just shrug and give the kid your ticket (which, at that point, was nothing more than trash to you) when he asked nicely enough in the first place.[/quote]

If I stole a tv. You were 99% sure I did, and I told you I was just moving it and asked you nicely to help me carry it would you?

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
If I stole a tv. You were 99% sure I did, and I told you I was just moving it and asked you nicely to help me carry it would you?[/quote]

Back in the day, it wasn’t at all unusual for my buddies and I to pay for one movie but stay for a second, particularly ones I either wasn’t old enough to get a ticket for (no way in hell was I gonna wait for House of 1,000 Corpses to come out on DVD) or couldn’t afford after shelling out $8.50+ for a ticket and $6 for a large popcorn. Given what theaters charge for admission/food, I really don’t think you can go any lower on the criminal totem pole without eating a mouthful of dirt.

Never burned a CD for a friend, or made a mix tape for a sweetheart? Out of curiosity.

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]
Also I can’t imagine two adults interacting that way, but I will tell you this I would have had a lot more harsh a response if it was someone my own age and size.

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wait a second… you said you couldnt imagine two adults interacting that way but then you say if it was someone your own age you would have been even more of a douche to them? Then yes, you most certainly can imagine two adults acting that way and worse.

Face it, you were being a dick to some highschoolers and thought you’d post about it in here and get pats on the back from people saying how well you handled it and that backfired. Not that big of a deal.

Should have just handed the kid your ticket or if you really didnt want to you could have said “I already threw mine out too.” Situation resolved without unnecessary posturing.

I personally don’t care about the stealing I care about trying to involve me in it, and then being aggressive when you get caught in your lie. I have done much worse, I admitted to getting caught stealing in this thread. I agree that theater hopping was/should be no big deal but to be honest nothing is like when I was a kid anymore. Most likely you would be arrested today not just booted.

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I personally don’t care about the stealing I care about trying to involve me in it, and then being aggressive when you get caught in your lie. I have done much worse, I admitted to getting caught stealing in this thread. I agree that theater hopping was/should be no big deal but to be honest nothing is like when I was a kid anymore. Most likely you would be arrested today not just booted.
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I for one don’t blame you for reacting as you did when the kid practically demanded that you hand your ticket over before you reminded him of what he was getting into…

That tells me he is neither deserving of the ticket or grateful. If you’re going to reward that kind of attitude you may as well spring for snacks too.

Besides, no way am I giving my ticket to anyone until the movie is over. If I get caught short during the movie I want to be sure I can get back in without some over-zealous usher blocking my way.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
He says I asked you a damn question.
I couldn’t believe my ears. I am 30 years old 5"10 252lbs at the moment with slightly over 18 inch arms. Clearly not in his age group and not one of his buddies. So I stood up leaned over the seat and very nicely asked him if he could see how big I was.
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^^this is something that a total douche would do. “Cant you see how big I am?” = tool move (especially to some little highschoolers. weak… real weak[/quote]
Also I can’t imagine two adults interacting that way, but I will tell you this I would have had a lot more harsh a response if it was someone my own age and size.

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wait a second… you said you couldnt imagine two adults interacting that way but then you say if it was someone your own age you would have been even more of a douche to them? Then yes, you most certainly can imagine two adults acting that way and worse.

Face it, you were being a dick to some highschoolers and thought you’d post about it in here and get pats on the back from people saying how well you handled it and that backfired. Not that big of a deal.

Should have just handed the kid your ticket or if you really didnt want to you could have said “I already threw mine out too.” Situation resolved without unnecessary posturing.[/quote]

I will admit I was wrong when you admit you would never call me a douch or a tool to my face. You obviously are extremely confrontation avoident other than name calling on the Internet. You may have muscle to look pretty I have them to do work if I need to.

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
You may have muscle to look pretty I have them to do work if I need to. [/quote]

[quote]biglifter wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
You may have muscle to look pretty I have them to do work if I need to. [/quote]

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Lol. I like it.

Why would I give my ticket away during a movie that hands out glasses based on if you bought a ticket? You would be involving yourself in someone else’s illegal action. I mean, yeah, we snuck into some movies too in the 6th grade but I’m not getting involved with that shit as a grown man for no reason.

And no, if they are handing out glasses based on it, that stub is no longer just “trash” and giving your ticket away isn’t so innocent anymore.

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
If I stole a tv. You were 99% sure I did, and I told you I was just moving it and asked you nicely to help me carry it would you?[/quote]

Back in the day, it wasn’t at all unusual for my buddies and I to pay for one movie but stay for a second, particularly ones I either wasn’t old enough to get a ticket for (no way in hell was I gonna wait for House of 1,000 Corpses to come out on DVD) or couldn’t afford after shelling out $8.50+ for a ticket and $6 for a large popcorn. Given what theaters charge for admission/food, I really don’t think you can go any lower on the criminal totem pole without eating a mouthful of dirt.

Never burned a CD for a friend, or made a mix tape for a sweetheart? Out of curiosity.[/quote]

Not the same at all. I personally don’t even download music anymore without paying for it. I take the stance that some things should pass as you gain more responsibility. If you are a grown man with a real job and are still doing shit like that, I have a hard time respecting the action as opposed to some broke college student doing it.

If this were a movie like Avatar where they give you glasses based on the ticket, you are now helping someone else steal from that company. Why do that for a stranger who just treated you like shit? To even think that way is a little off.