Bowe Bergdahl

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
This guy is a piece of shit, and has no right to life considering his desertion directly led to deaths of soldiers looking for him. Fuck him.

I have no clue what obamao is smoking where trading 1 deserter piece of shit, for 4 high level enemies is in anyway logical or legal. You could maybe make a case for 1-1 trade, but 1-4; are you fucking kidding me?

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The Israeli ratio is approximately 1:389.[/quote]

Are they deserters?

Im dumbfounded by the obamao apologists
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I’m dumbfounded by those who are unable to use proper punctuation and have such contempt for the office of the President to feel that its acceptable to modify the CIC’s name into various pejoratives. I may disagree with the rationale that supported the invasion of Iraq, but I will always practice decorum by referring to former President Bush by his proper title. [/quote]

I do agree with you there. I make every attempt to always give the office its due honor no matter what I think of its inhabitant by always referring to them properly, or at least by their proper last name. It really bothers me when people don’t do that.
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Like we use to say in the Corps, “You don’t have to respect the man, but you WILL respect the rank.”[/quote]

Respect is earned, not given, and not granted by title or position.

CIC isn’t some holy saint that gets bowed to. In fact the entire fucking point of shooting the fucking British in the face was that the CIC wasn’t the King or Queen.

Things may be different in the military, and I understand the need, there, to adhere to that rationale.

But in the civilian world, POTUS is just a man, with a really important job, who may be really shitty at said job, or not be able to earn respect while in that job. I respect the job is hard, I understand. But people beg for billions in order to beg voters for that job, and they work for me when they get that job.

Therefore, when I want to call POTUS Bam, Bambino, 43, 41, Clinton or Fuckface, I will. And not only will I do so at will, proudly, I won’t be spoken to or about, by anyone as having my character or patriotism put in question because I demand the Leader of the Free World ACT with respect, dignity and integrity if he/she wants those things in return. [/quote]

It isn’t servile deference. It’s decorum, from the Latin: “right, proper”. Elected officials can and should be criticized for their shortcomings, but not by resorting to ad hominems.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Therefore, when I want to call POTUS Bam, Bambino, 43, 41, Clinton or Fuckface, I will. And not only will I do so at will, proudly, I won’t be spoken to or about, by anyone as having my character or patriotism put in question because I demand the Leader of the Free World ACT with respect, dignity and integrity if he/she wants those things in return. [/quote]

That we will openly mock or berate the highest office in the land makes me exceptionally proud of my country. Lack of respect for shit authority is beautifully American.[/quote]

Thank you.

I’m sorry I just totally lost my shit guys, but I’ve been called a traitor and un-American for the last 15 or 16 years now because I don’t “stand with the president” or some other such iteration of flag waving nonsense.

I love this country and the principles it was founded upon. I’m not afraid to admit we still have some work to do in order to reach those ideals set forth upon us to achieve as we could. And that is why I’m not about to kiss the ass of any single person that prevents that goal, irrelevant of title.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:
but not by resorting to ad hominems. [/quote]

Says the guy who used one that started this entire derail.

Priceless.

So POTUS is above personal attacks because he was elected to a position of leadership? lmao… No. Not even close.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And that is why I’m not about to kiss the ass of any single person that prevents that goal, irrelevant of title. [/quote]

And you shouldn’t.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:
but not by resorting to ad hominems. [/quote]

Says the guy who used one that started this entire derail.

Priceless.

So POTUS is above personal attacks because he was elected to a position of leadership? lmao… No. Not even close. [/quote]

To be fair Beans it wasn’t Bismark that started it:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Im dumbfounded by the obamao apologists
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And before you give me a hard time you should know this is the first time I’ve probably ever agreed with Bismark and I’ve even had him on ignore. I’ve only ever had about 4 people on ignore before…

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I can not respect a man who disrespects the people putting their lives on the line to protect him, and serve their country. fuck that blunt burner barry obamao

I’ll ask again to keep the thread somewhat on track,

Are the Israeli soldiers being traded for terrorist deserters?

I said it in the thread before, it takes a special kind of scum to turn your back on people who you’ve been through combat with.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
I can not respect a man who disrespects the people putting their lives on the line to protect him, and serve their country. [/quote]

This I completely agree with. I have no respect for Barrack Obama, the man, he’s a terrible CIC.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

President Obama earned the position fair and square, twice. [/quote]

Sure. But positions and titles don’t earn people respect. Actions earn respect.

Just another reason, among many, I’d make a shitty solder.

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POTUS is the Commander in Chief my friend. One of, if not his most important function, is his command of the military. [/quote]

Great. I’m not enlisted. And you can bet your fucking ass I’d call him worse names if I was drafted.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

President Obama earned the position fair and square, twice. [/quote]

Sure. But positions and titles don’t earn people respect. Actions earn respect. [/quote]

I don’t disagree with you. I don’t respect Barrack Obama, the person. I respect Barrack Obama the President because I respect The Office of the President of the United States.

I imagine it is just a perspective thing.

Maybe. You’d probably surprise yourself.

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Being drafted is a completely different ball game and like I mentioned you’re free to say whatever you like. I’ll back your right to say whatever you want up every single time.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And that is why I’m not about to kiss the ass of any single person that prevents that goal, irrelevant of title. [/quote]

And you shouldn’t. [/quote]

Yet I’m supposed to treat him with some sort of unfounded, unearned “respect” by “not making fun of him through iterations of his name” because he was crowned by what, 30% of the eligible voting population?

I can have all the respect in the world for the office. Sure. That doesn’t transfer to the occupant unless they earn it.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

President Obama earned the position fair and square, twice. [/quote]

Sure. But positions and titles don’t earn people respect. Actions earn respect.

Just another reason, among many, I’d make a shitty solder.

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If you think military personnel respond well to people in positions of authority then you have been watching too many movies. At least in the grunts, rank only gets you in the door. It doesn’t find you a seat at the table.

If I recall correctly, usmccds423, it’s been a while since I’ve been on, but aren’t you a tank officer? I’m sure you’d back up that being a zero doesn’t necessarily get you respect.

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Being elected President does not make one Presidential.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And that is why I’m not about to kiss the ass of any single person that prevents that goal, irrelevant of title. [/quote]

And you shouldn’t. [/quote]

Yet I’m supposed to treat him with some sort of unfounded, unearned “respect” by “not making fun of him through iterations of his name” because he was crowned by what, 30% of the eligible voting population?

I can have all the respect in the world for the office. Sure. That doesn’t transfer to the occupant unless they earn it. [/quote]

I don’t agree that its unfounded or unearned. He earned the job fair and square, twice. You don’t just fall into the oval office and decide to stay. If only 30% of the voting population made their voice heard that’s a shame, but it doesn’t change the fact that he earned the title. From my perspective titles, not in all cases, but in this case, garner a certain level of respect when bestowed upon a person. That doesn’t mean you can’t or shouldn’t criticize his choices or what he does. Of course you should.

It’s for this reason, among others, that I give Zep such a hard time about calling 43 an idiot.

And no, you aren’t “supposed” to treat him anyway you don’t want to. Say what you want, I never mean’t to imply otherwise. I just don’t’ agree with it.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

President Obama earned the position fair and square, twice. [/quote]

Sure. But positions and titles don’t earn people respect. Actions earn respect.

Just another reason, among many, I’d make a shitty solder.

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If you think military personnel respond well to people in positions of authority then you have been watching too many movies. At least in the grunts, rank only gets you in the door. It doesn’t find you a seat at the table.

If I recall correctly, usmccds423, it’s been a while since I’ve been on, but aren’t you a tank officer? I’m sure you’d back up that being a zero doesn’t necessarily get you respect. [/quote]

No, not a tank officer. I’m actually a civilian now (since 2008). Former air-winger and enlistee. Absolutely though, respect for the person is always earned, but the title / rank, imo, garners respect immediately and at all times. If the Commandant walked in my office right now I’d treat him with the utmost respect. He could be a fucking idiot for all I know, but he earned those 4 stars and that title and to me that means something.

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Obamao is highly respected compared to the treatment W. got from the media and people in general.

Remember the cartoon lil’ Bush? Try the exact same thing with barry the blunt burner, and see how long it takes to be labeled the most awful racist bigot on earth…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If the Commandant walked in my office right now I’d treat him with the utmost respect. He could be a fucking idiot for all I know, but he earned those 4 stars and that title and to me that means something. [/quote]

There is a big difference between someone working their way up in the military and a politician winning an election.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
Obamao is highly respected compared to the treatment W. got from the media and people in general. [/quote]

Agreed and I have a lot more respect for George W. Bush than I do Barack Obama.

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Remember the cartoon lil’ Bush? Try the exact same thing with barry the blunt burner, and see how long it takes to be labeled the most awful racist bigot on earth… [/quote]

I’m sure; however, I don’t think that makes it right or worth while to stoop to that level.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If only 30% of the voting population made their voice heard that’s a shame, but it doesn’t change the fact that he earned the title.[/quote]

Turnout was something like 57% of eligible voters and he won by something like 53% of votes. (Using popular vote for sake of ease here.)

Why though? because it’s a difficult job? Because he begged for it?

He isn’t an idiot, that should be why you give Zep shit.

That’s the whole reason this started. Aggv had a valid point, Biz used an ad hom to rebut his point like a child, wrapping his ad hom in the fucking flag.

It’s bullshit, and calling a POTUS a name doesn’t invalidate aggv’s point, or make Biz’s response any less fallacious.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
and see how long it takes to be labeled the most awful racist bigot on earth… [/quote]

And that is 100% what was implied about you earlier in the thread.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If the Commandant walked in my office right now I’d treat him with the utmost respect. He could be a fucking idiot for all I know, but he earned those 4 stars and that title and to me that means something. [/quote]

There is a big difference between someone working their way up in the military and a politician winning an election. [/quote]

There’s a difference for sure (especially at the lower ranks), but the military can be pretty political.