Borderline Superhero Part Deux

Back in action. Much needed Deload week. Decided not to go into the second half of the challenge, instead doing SST. I like anything that starts with the word “simple”. Supplemental lifts TM was estimated and kept low again as I’d rather just make slow long term progress. Using Incline BB bench, Romanian DL, close grip Bench and Front Squats for them.

Bench day - TM 215 @ 90%
65% x 5 @ 125
75% x 5 @ 145
*85% x 10 @ 165
Incline B.B. bench - TM 195 @ 90%
50% x 10 @ 90
60% x 10 @ 105
70% x 10 @ 125
Assistance
Kroc rows
B.B. fat gripz curls
Band tricep pull downs

Also, College Gameday coming to UCF Sat! Got my tickets and it’s been a good 5 years since I’ve been back at the bounce house. If this log never gets updated after next weekend, just know I died doing something I loved. Going on a bender.

It is apparent that I am incapable of keeping a log updated. I track everything in my 5/3/1 app so I just never seem to be able to keep the online portion up to date. That being said with the T-ranformation thing coming up I am adding the tag to this and will do what I can to update.

This will be more of a training journal than pure ‘log’. Weight updates, PR’s, diet, strategy etc. Not so much daily workouts. So here is my pre contest update/status report:

Currently hovering around the 188-190 morning weight range. Finishing out the SST cycle this week and have work travel next so I will be doing a psuedo deload week. Thankfully I have access to a legit hotel gym but will be mostly doing higher volume bodybuilding type stuff and then I’ll be back on BBB using 60% for the supplemental stuff.

Still not sure if I will start dieting on Jan 1st or not. Either way my “after” picture for the contest goal is to be around 175. So basically the pictures I posted before from my former glory but with another 5 lbs of LBM. With my current ‘fluffyness’ I think it would make a pretty decent transformation.

Just got back from my doc. Got off the scale at 195(in clothing) and she told me that I am the only person in her entire work experience that has gained over 10 lbs while on Amphetamines. I felt oddly proud. On that subject, I am switching from vyvanse to adderall. I do not like how vyvanse doesnt have an off button and on the days I take it, its an 8-10 hour ride of no appetite. This gives me more flexibility on controlling when I need to be ‘on’ or ‘off’.

Probably a better place than any to discuss this part. Recently I have been for the first time in my life considering ‘going to the dark side’. I don’t really care much about the natty or not debates, to each their own, and while I have never taken true AAS, I don’t think I can be considered natural anyways. The real MAG-10 back once back in my college days, use of ephedrine when dieting and my current use of amphetamines muddies that water.

The main thing that stops me is really fear. 5’7" at 190 still thinking I’m ‘small’ is a good sign of some dysmorphia issues going on. I’m not so sure opening up that floodgate would be a good thing for me long term. After my cut this year, I plan on hitting single digits again and see where I am at. I’m really hoping that when I get lean enough to create that illusion of size on my frame I’m looking for will be enough to mentally satiate me and keep those thoughts buried for longer.

Not sure if anyone actually follows this thread, but if you do, have experience in that realm, I’d like to hear your thoughts. @flipcollar and @Yogi1 come to mind.

quoted this once, quoting again because it’s just so good.

check out therefinedsavage.com . I was wearing one of their t shirts just yesterday, this reminded me of them.

on to steroids:

I’ve said on here that I use steroids specifically for competition purposes, and I don’t recommend them to people who aren’t competing, because of the lifestyle that accompanies steroid use, and all the downsides. But that being said, I’m usually talking to people who are younger than me, less familiar with the gym life, and generally don’t have their shit together. Those things aren’t you, so I can adjust my recommendation.

I think you’re pretty aware of the pros and cons, but if you have any questions about my personal experience, I’d be happy to answer them. I think that, generally speaking, if you can find personal satisfaction with your results without steroids, that’s best. But not everyone can do that. I couldn’t.

I also think that whatever choice you make, you won’t likely regret it. Unless you get caught and go to jail. Then there may be regrets.

Yogi’s experience is different from mine, so hopefully he’ll chime in. I went from just regular cycling on and off to blast and cruise within a year of my first cycle. He’s spent considerable time ‘off’. And he’s not a competitor. So he should be able to offer a bit of a different perspective.

Nice, just subscribed to the podcast, have the Dave Tate ep qued up for my commute home.

Appreciate the insights. I think the first few lines of your response are what resonate the most. I don’t, and have zero interest in competing, so it would be a vanity play only, which in it of itself is the battle with internalizing. Nothing that can be decided overnight, or even in all likelihood the next few months. I do find myself lurking in the pharma sub a lot lately.

What do you think about me trying Laxogenin? Hah I couldn’t resist man.

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love it.

I actually think there are a few possibilities with that product:

  1. it could be bunk. might not do anything at all.
  2. it’s an actual steroid, it might work reasonably well, and it has minimal sides… but still a steroid.
  3. it’s an actual steroid with actual sides.

The thing about it being derived from plants reminded me of DMAA. Back when DMAA producers were fighting a legal battle to keep the product on the market, one of the primary arguments was ‘you can find this in a particular flower, so it’s naturally occurring’. And so a lot of the labels said things like ‘DMAA derived from ______ plant’. This was funny because that particular flower, if I remember correctly, only grows on the side of some mountain in China, and is super scarce. Something like that. But basically, it would have been impossible for all these companies to actually be sourcing from a plant, it was clearly synthetic. If this happens to be a legitimate potent steroid, then I’d bet they’re trying to keep it on the market longer via the same excuse.

I litterally have no idea what it is and never head of it until that weighted stretching guy was arguing about it in that thread earlier. Hence the joke about trying it.

That being said, it seems like it’s in that category sarms were in a few years ago. We have no idea what it really does and if it’s really in the supp purchased.

Love the idea of SARMs and wish it was fast foward to and past human trials so we really knew what the deal is. Especially for females.

Thanks for the tag, mate. Sorry for taking a while to comment but I knew there was potential for me to ramble here and I wanted to make sure I had time to write out my thoughts properly.

So Flip’s right in that I would cycle on for a while, PCT, then come off. I’d stay off for a few months then when I felt the time was right, I’d go back on.

And I got bigger, but, if I’m being really honest, I’m not sure I got all that much bigger than I would have had I just trained naturally.

Obviously when I was on cycle I got bigger faster than when I was natural. That’s a given, but the thing to consider is what happens when you’re off.

During your off periods, you are fighting tooth and nail to keep as much as what you’ve gained as you can. I’m sure there’s genetic variability in how much people keep (in as much as I’m sure there’s genetic variability in literally every aspect of muscle-building) post-cycle, but you find yourself spending most of your time trying to maintain or regain what you’ve lost, rather than actually improving.

To throw some (admittedly arbitrary) numbers out there: say you gain 12lbs on cycle. You do your PCT and now you’re “normal” again so straight away you’ve lost 4lbs of that (water bloat and increased glycogen storage), but you’re still 8lbs up which isn’t a bad gain for 12 weeks considering pretty much none of it was fat.

But now your ass ain’t gaining for months - it’s trying to maintain that 8lbs. Looking back, I’m honestly not sure just how much more muscle the cycle nets when you consider if you’d been natural you’d have been gaining the whole time. In a 6 month period, you would probably gain close to the same. It can also be pretty disheartening to bust your ass for 4 months and still not be quite as good as you were 6 months ago when you were on cycle, not to mention the cost of the steroids themselves (admittedly pretty cheap as drugs go) and the health risks involved.

Again, this all comes down to genetics. My hummingbird metabolism makes it hard for me to gain compared to others, and my response to AAS has always been pretty average. You’ve got guys like Dusty Hanshaw on the Olympia stage at 1400mg total per week, or even dudes like Lee Priest who didn’t even need that. I’m not one of those guys.

The game changer is, as Flip alluded to earlier, when you blast and cruise. Even guys that drop down to a true TRT dose (as in what a doctor prescribes as a therapeutic dose) between cycles seem to keep way more muscle and gain way more between cycles. You would think that if you got your normal testosterone back into a healthy range that there wouldn’t be a difference, as, after all, the test levels are the same, right? I might not be able to explain it but I’ve seen it a million times with my own eyes, and I’m sure other steroid users will tell you the same. If you want to really gain - and keep - the steroid size, then you need to stay on.

So now I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that if I want the physique I’ve always wanted to achieve I’ll need to blast and cruise, which is what I’m going to do. I also feel like for the first time in my life I’m in a place where I can actually make this decision, so I have. I have achieved a lot of what I’ve always wanted to achieve in a lot of areas of my life, and this is the area I want to feel like a success in next. I’m not some dumbass 21 year old kid blasting tren like “durrr Imma be the next Ronnie Cutler…” I’m a grown man with responsibilities who understands exactly the consequences of every decision.

You’re a smart dude, Waittz. I’m sure whatever decision you make will be the right one because you’re too smart to do something stupid.

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One of the better takes I’ve heard on the subject. Much appreciated man.

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Quick update.

Been having some great sessions lately. Hardest part of my workouts right now is not increasing my TM more than recommend.

Woke up with 16” arms cold in the morning. That’s a first. Morning weight is around 189. Been increasing assistance work lately until the main lifts start to actually feel taxing. Everything feels great.

Goal was to get to 190 average morning weight. Very close. Will most likely start dialing back the cals once I get there. Riding a 500-700 surplus most days. Once I cross 190, will most likely drop to 300-500 or even maintenance depending how I feel. Getting excited to see how much of this will stick to my bones after the diet.

Quick morning update. This is now been 4 solid months of ‘cultivating mass’. First time I have stuck with a mass phase this consistently or without turning to a jiggle mess. In the spirit of the T-ransformation contest coming up, I’m dropping this here for reference for myself to beat. This was my first ‘transformaion’ attempt years back. I was 190 in the befores, I’m one 190 now and think I’m definitely not as fat and know for a fact my arms are 1 inch bigger and waist 2 inch smaller. Looking to crush the ‘after’ pictures by June 1. This is my competition, not the rest of the people entering.

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This morning at the hotel for reference. Feel like my current 190 compared to my previous 190 already look like a before and after which is good for the mind, bad for my blazers.

We are officially in uncharted water

I know it’s night time weight, but 197 again is uncharted water for me

@T3hPwnisher wanted your opinion but didn’t want to start a thread in 5/3/1 sub.

I’ll be on maintenance cals for the next few weeks before I transition into a deficet. Fallen in love with 5/3/1 and would prefer to stick to it during the bulk of the deficit phase. Any programs you recommend? Only ever trained 5/3/1 in a surplus and debating to work with FSLS and up conditioning, or try something like Krypteria. Curious to what you would recommend with strength gains taking the back door to body compesition for a bit. Appretiate any feedback.

Excellent play on words.

I found SVR II something I could run without pushing the cals.

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Glad you caught that, it was actually intentional haha. I’ll read over that section in Forever, thanks.

Read through it last night. Got sore just thinking of widow maker sets for squats. I feel like a fish out of water right now. Anytime in the past I have dieted, physique was the pure focus. Right now it is taking the back seat to performance but still needs to be addressed.

Do you run other programs when body comp is the main goal personally or just dial in nutrition and up conditioning? I feel completely out of my element here. It has been years since I was this high BF and had to diet and I’ve never walked around at 195 like I am now. I normally run Lyle’s UD 2.0 but I’m too fat for it now and just don’t want to subject myself to the madness until I’m back to at least 12% bf.

@flipcollar would also appreciate if you could chime in. Summary to keep you from scrolling through my madness. Trying to figure out what programming to use when I start dieting and need some tough love so I stop overthinking and overcome my dieting phobia. Pretty sure you’re going to tell me to address the nutrition, not the programming. Still need to hear it hah.

Basically, whenever I’m not eating much, I ease off the volume and up the intensity. I find that easier to recover from, which means the reduced calories don’t interfere too much. It’s why I liked SVR II, because the WMs are light in volume, there’s only 1 week of BBB stuff, and then the SSL is heavier but lower in volume.

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Appreciate it. I liked the variety. Finishing up the maintenance phase with 2 cycles of 5 Pros and FSLS. I start the drop in mid Jan and after a deload will hop onto it.

Updated Measurements as of this morning(12/18) with changes from July in ():
BW - 192.0(+17 lb)
Chest - 45.5"(+2.5")
Arm - 16"(+0.5")
Thigh - 25.75"(+1.75")
Waist - 34"(+1.5")

Hit the goal of maintaining a morning weight of 190+ for over a week. Extremely happy with the results. Benching again and pain free at that for the first time for the first time in 5 years, same with Back Squat. Switched back to Trap Bar Low Handle(yeah I turned it upside down) DL’s. Keeping that TM artificially lower until my Squat catches up. Over all feel fantastic and I will confess I am doing hardly any assistance work. Shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who knows my minimalist philosophy on lifting.

Done with the surplus after almost 6 months. Will be in pseudo maintenance from now until first or second week of Jan. I define pseudo maintenance as when I do not track calories or macros. I just eat clean and enough to fuel performance.

Side note, I have not taken the red pill yet and gone to the dark side. Maybe down the road.

Added 6 days of morning walking back this week. Will start throwing on the weighted vest next week and add 1 hard conditioning session a week. As I mentioned previously, I am doing FSLS right now, this cycle with 5/3/1 @ 90%, next with 5 pro’s at 85% and still FSLS. Will deload and then start the deficit.

Big thanks to the 3 of you who have been answering some of my ?s and the advice and @bulldog9899 who indirectly keeps my head clear with his lifting philosophy and mentality. You guys are like the internet version of the big guys at the gym for me.

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shucks

Well you made my day! Glad that I might have a positive impact on someone! I thank you very much for that compliment!

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