someone posted a link the other day that RoundUp decreases T levels in men A wheat farmer weighs in on Wheat Belly - Dr. William Davis
A bit late to the party but there are some points I would like to make in no specific order:
- While it is true that science is kind of nice and we do want to venture to far into uncharted territory I made incredible progress health wise when I learned to STFU and listen to people who might not have studies to back their intuitions up, who believed in things I definitely dont, like energy meridians and whatnot and who generally did not speak my language AND YET had around 2 decades worth of experience dealing with food issues.
If someone like that recommends that you try eliminating some foods for a while, I recommend that you STFU and do it.
If I can STFU and do it, everybody can, and doing it was not the hard part.
- I do understand that the biopsy to finally determine whether you have celiacs or not is uncomfortable and that the thought of wolfing down wheat for a few weeks is probably even worse, but I guess it needs to be done.
Not that I have yet, but in the final analysis it does make a difference whether you are just allergic to gluten or whether your immune system goes apeshit and destroys your body. The difference is that I probably could risk eating something that is not wheat based but contains it in small doses without doing too much damage, whereas with celiacs that would really be out of the question.
The latter has social and professionel consequences that can be dealt with, but I truly wonder if getting the test done and know for sure is not the easier route, because it most likely will not be full blown celiacs.
I do know though that I have won the genetic jackbot when it comes to gluten intolerance and that I had gliadin antibodies that would put the average undiagnosed celiac to shame.
- Completely random:
Normal beer made me high. I did not recognize it then, but gluten free beer does not, which is how I know.
Its not the alcohol, I do not know what it is, but my head started to swim and it actually felt pretty good, like being wrapped in cotton.
In hindsight that scares me, because whatever gluten does to me, it also gets to my brain and fast.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
A bit late to the party but there are some points I would like to make in no specific order:
- While it is true that science is kind of nice and we do want to venture to far into uncharted territory I made incredible progress health wise when I learned to STFU and listen to people who might not have studies to back their intuitions up, who believed in things I definitely dont, like energy meridians and whatnot and who generally did not speak my language AND YET had around 2 decades worth of experience dealing with food issues.
If someone like that recommends that you try eliminating some foods for a while, I recommend that you STFU and do it.
If I can STFU and do it, everybody can, and doing it was not the hard part.
- I do understand that the biopsy to finally determine whether you have celiacs or not is uncomfortable and that the thought of wolfing down wheat for a few weeks is probably even worse, but I guess it needs to be done.
Not that I have yet, but in the final analysis it does make a difference whether you are just allergic to gluten or whether your immune system goes apeshit and destroys your body. The difference is that I probably could risk eating something that is not wheat based but contains it in small doses without doing too much damage, whereas with celiacs that would really be out of the question.
The latter has social and professionel consequences that can be dealt with, but I truly wonder if getting the test done and know for sure is not the easier route, because it most likely will not be full blown celiacs.
I do know though that I have won the genetic jackbot when it comes to gluten intolerance and that I had gliadin antibodies that would put the average undiagnosed celiac to shame.
- Completely random:
Normal beer made me high. I did not recognize it then, but gluten free beer does not, which is how I know.
Its not the alcohol, I do not know what it is, but my head started to swim and it actually felt pretty good, like being wrapped in cotton.
In hindsight that scares me, because whatever gluten does to me, it also gets to my brain and fast. [/quote]
Excellent post.
I believe gluten combines with antibodies to create a compound that resembles morphine/opiates. This would explain your cotton wool high.
Damn, you can get from beer, what most smackheads have to search for 
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“Wheat protein contains a number of opioid peptides which can be released during digestion. Some of these are thought to affect the central and peripheral nervous systems.”
I’ve been dedicated to this basic ideal now for about three weeks, which is really a tiny stretch since Davis advocates his essential results within six months. The reason I waste all of your precious free time with this additional reply is because I have had some excellent results thus far and I’m really stoked about it.
Usually while eliminating sugars while I cut up for the summer, I’ll experience minor skin conditions, such as dryness or acne and a drop in my energy levels. Since adopting “Wheat Belly” (said like Stewie Griffin) I’ve had some really encouraging results including: very clear and supple skin, my special lady friend asked if I was using moisturizer, which I don’t.
My actual pangs for some of my favorite foods with grains, such as Pizza, fresh loaves of bread, and my beloved doughnuts have had zero pullings on my mind. I’m unsure why at this point, but even at a Farmers Market Dinner last night, with a basket of fresh, hot bread put right under my nose, I had no temptation at all!
Furthermore the perpetual bloat that I’m used to while training through winter has all but vanished, and I’m feeling particularly light on my feet. At 38, I’m feeling closer to 22 except that I still need a lot more rest than I did back then. I guess it’s not the Fountain Of Youth, but three weeks in, it’s going as well as any regimen I’ve ever tried. Looking forward to seeing where I am in July.
"Surely the experts know all this!
Nope. They are, to an incredible degree, ignorant. I recently debated a PhD Professor of Nutrition at a major university, who was also Director of Research at a major agricultural corporation, who offered up the usual defenses of wheat, while accusing me of ignoring the evidence. So, when I informed him that the wheat of today is a high-yield, semi-dwarf variant that stands around 2-feet tall, with marked changes in its genetic code, he answered with . . . silence. After a bit of hemming and hawing, he finally blurted, ‘Well, the farmers did that so they could see over the tops of the fields!’ Farmers, of course, did not introduce these changes to create the dwarf strain of wheat. In other words, the fact that modern wheat is the markedly altered product of genetics research was entirely new to this ‘expert.’"
good post by Dr. Davis, and that last part illustrates how credentials have become a marker of obedience, not competence.
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
and that last part illustrates how credentials have become a marker of obedience, not competence.[/quote]
That’s the key. Well said.
I have also eliminated 98% of wheat from my diet for the past 3-4 weeks. Unfortunatley I have not noticed any real benefits in how I feel, body composition or training. I do feel my energy levels through out the day is better though.
Saying that Im going to re-introduce white bread for my pre-training meal. I miss my white toast with jam before training. I think the idea is not to have bread with every meal or as the main component of a meal.
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No, not according to Davis’s book. He advocates the complete elimination of grains from consumption.
I miss a lot of Gluten Foods, but I’m feeling a lot better since dropping them.
He advocates the complete elimination of wheat because even the smallest amount of Gluten/Gliadin(Prolamins) can re-introduce symptoms for months. Whether this be impairment of the digestion system or other serve problems that will vary from person to person.
[quote]TORO wrote:
No, not according to Davis’s book. He advocates the complete elimination of grains from consumption.
I miss a lot of Gluten Foods, but I’m feeling a lot better since dropping them.[/quote]
Are there any “sneaky” gluten containing foods or beverages? Or is avoiding wheat/bread/beer (that’s not specifically gluten free) enough?
[quote]theBird wrote:
I have also eliminated 98% of wheat from my diet for the past 3-4 weeks. Unfortunatley I have not noticed any real benefits in how I feel, body composition or training. I do feel my energy levels through out the day is better though.
Saying that Im going to re-introduce white bread for my pre-training meal. I miss my white toast with jam before training. I think the idea is not to have bread with every meal or as the main component of a meal.
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It’s true that Davis says to eliminate wheat entirely.
However, if you’re going to have some anyway…
ONLY use one of the ancient strains: emmer, einkorn, or spelt
AND
sourdough
The modern “dwarf” wheat (aka mutant, aka techno) and the quick rise yeast are both serious problems.
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[quote]TORO wrote:
No, not according to Davis’s book. He advocates the complete elimination of grains from consumption.
I miss a lot of Gluten Foods, but I’m feeling a lot better since dropping them.[/quote]
Are there any “sneaky” gluten containing foods or beverages? Or is avoiding wheat/bread/beer (that’s not specifically gluten free) enough?[/quote]
Sauces, particularly soy sauce.
That is exactly what I was going to say. I found out the hard way, when your off Gluten for awhile, it hits you pretty hard, and upon reading the ingredients, I was surprised that Soy Sauce has Wheat in it. It’s also avoiding Tapioca, all Starches, and excessive sugars. That sums up a lot of what you’ll find in the average Grocery Store, almost everything in a box, bag, or can. My last four months have been heavy on Steak (Hanger and Skirt), Spinach, Clams, Oysters, Shrimp. It’s not too tough.
I’ve been spreading the word around the senior center I work at, and so far pretty good feedback. Though one guy always gives me “hard time” and his wife is like “there’s nothing to eat”… If anything one of the downfalls of the book is that lay people can’t seem to grasp that Davis is pro-low-carb (which is fine), but the real take home message IMO from the book, ditch the wheat and even if eating a mod carb diet your health will still greatly improve.
Agreed, there is little to eat, quite literally when it come to snacks. I’ve tried dried beef and seaweed, but it’s a sad alternative to all the good stuff.
[quote]TORO wrote:
Agreed, there is little to eat, quite literally when it come to snacks. I’ve tried dried beef and seaweed, but it’s a sad alternative to all the good stuff.[/quote]
Off topic but your wayyyyy over your posting limit for the year…
[quote]TORO wrote:
That is exactly what I was going to say. I found out the hard way, when your off Gluten for awhile, it hits you pretty hard, and upon reading the ingredients, I was surprised that Soy Sauce has Wheat in it. It’s also avoiding Tapioca, all Starches, and excessive sugars. That sums up a lot of what you’ll find in the average Grocery Store, almost everything in a box, bag, or can. My last four months have been heavy on Steak (Hanger and Skirt), Spinach, Clams, Oysters, Shrimp. It’s not too tough.[/quote]
Why’d you give up starches? Quinoa is an awesome starch, and is gluten free, just like sweet potato and pumpkin among other things. If your training aggressively, I think it’s wise to keep something like that in your diet.
If your worried about maintaining BF levels, just be smart about eating them around your workout window, or just simply eating them with your first two meals of the day and then cutting off after that.
You are correct. I was referring to non vegetables / seeds, such as Corn Starch, which is a giant in the Grocery Store Kingdom and in many ways even more harmful than gluten.
glutamine peptides = wheat?