^any point in spending the extra cash on glutamine peptides in stead of l glutamine?
Although I won’t utilize wheat products very often as my mainstays for carbs…I will eat them if I feel like it from time to time. I.E. sub 150g carbs from pasta over 150g carbs from potatoes when I’m bored of potatoes. I don’t notice distention or anything of the sort in regards to indigestion.
Either I’m stupid…or one of the lucky few…or one of the lucky many.
Modok…if you could comment on this for me: I tend to eat tubers and white rice for my starch sources over the course of the week. We are talking…90% of the time potatoes, white rice, occasional quinoa and the like. However, on Sundays I abandon all principles and eat w.e. I want and how much of it I want. Do you see harm in the long term by eating wheat laden products once per week such as deserts, pizza, bread etc. ?
[quote]facko wrote:
Although I won’t use wheat products very often as my mainstays for carbs…[/quote]
I will read the book this weekend. Sounds interesting. I’ve had big problems with my digestion ever since I was a little boy. Now I’m 25. I’ve been running to the toilet 10 or more times a day for the most of my life. Full holidays have been destroyed because I didn’t want to go out but needed to stay close to a toilet.
My family have just been laughing at me the whole time. Going on a paleo diet a few years ago these problems totally stopped. Most people would just tell me that my digestion got better because i ate “less food” on paleo. I was not sure what to believe. A few months ago I started introducing a few non-paleo things into my diet, and have found that I can absolute not tolerate oat and rye.
These two give me all the problems I mentioned before. I don’t seem to have a problem with wheat though. Yesterday I had my weekly free/cheat day. Ate 6 burgers from burger king with wheat buns, with no problems at all (actually my stools were very very nice today). Growing up I ate a LOT of oat and rye, so maybe I developed an allergy as I grew up or something.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]facko wrote:
Although I won’t use wheat products very often as my mainstays for carbs…[/quote]
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Exactly…use…
Use carbs like drugs.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Just bought the book, 
looks like I’ll be ditching my 2-4 slices of wheat bread on a daily basis. Toast is so good with eggs and bacon though. Damn you thread, damn you[/quote]
I eat gluten free 95% of the time because my fiance does… but I have been eating Ezekiel bread (recommended by Mountain Dog Diet) and havent had any adverse effects.
You might not have to totally get rid of bread.[/quote]
This has been my experience as well, with Ez bread. It’s one of the few breads that doesn’t make me feel like total crap, so when I eat bread I try to always eat this type.
[quote]facko wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]facko wrote:
Although I won’t use wheat products very often as my mainstays for carbs…[/quote]
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Exactly…use…
Use carbs like drugs.[/quote]
lol. jk, its just a very over used word in business writing now it seems like every one says it just to drive me nuts
so has anybody else gotten a headache that lasts for days after going wheat free?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
so has anybody else gotten a headache that lasts for days after going wheat free?[/quote]
No, but it’s not an uncommon phenomenon when changing something as fundamental as wheat elimination.
I would suspect it may be due to die-off, whereby the intestinal bacteria that were once thriving on wheat are now waning/dying. As they die they can release cellular contents into the lumen of the gut which are then absorbed into the bloodstream, causing toxicity issues. The same can also be true when/if you have any candida that are now dying off due to the elimination of wheat/sugar.
Taking a good probiotic should help re-establish the appropriate balance of flora.
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wow, that makes alot of sense actually, as it has now turned into a full blown nausea/dizzy spell for the past couple hours. i feel like im coming down with the flu. and i cant even walk around the house without feeling like im going to pass out. as long as it means that bad shit is dying inside me, that shouldnt be inside me, then i will take it as a good sign.
for the record, i primarily ate a no carb diet for a few months, and about 4 months ago when i got my hands on indigo 3g, switched to a high carb diet filled with breads and pastas. since then ive had mood swings, low testosterone symptoms, gut inflammation, fatigue, GREAT workouts though lol (thanks to alot of caffeine). even though nobody in my family has gluten sensitivity issues, i guess my body prefers to be wheat free! also ive gained ~20lbs since eating alot of wheat products, mostly around the waist, but some muscle too.
reading the book now. Just got to a passage that struck a cord.
it’s only happened a handful of times in my life (that I recall) and the most recent was a few weeks back. I should note that I grew up on breads and even through college. I don’t eat bread anymore, though about a month ago I was a few times a week.
And I do eat pizza at least once per week.
Anyways, it was late at night and I got this AWFUL shooting pain in my intestines, having had it before I knew what was gonna happen. 20 mins later in the bathroom, it was not pretty.
Could not for the life of me figure out what could have caused it. I can’t recall if I had any gluten/wheat that day or the previous day, but there is a good possibility. However, I was eating bread rather frequently at this time, why would it not occur on a regular basis then?
passage from the book " a-gliadin, provokes inflammation in small intestine, causing incapaciting ab pain, and diarrhea."
did I mention this pain occurred during sex, talk about working through the pain.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
reading the book now. Just got to a passage that struck a cord.
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The passage punched a small pile of neatly stacked wood?
I’d like to share my experience with wheat in case it helps someone or I can learn more from people’s input.
A couple of years ago my nutritionist told me I had an ‘intolerance’ to wheat. I quickly discarded it as BS as it sounded preposterous at the time. “What is she trying to sell me?”, I thought. I ate wheat every day and didn’t connect it with anything that was wrong with me.
Wheat is healthy and couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the problems I struggled with all my life: a hard time gaining weight, terrible nose allergies (stuffy nose), lactose intolerance, and a terrible time in the bathroom (I’ll spare the graphic details, but it was a crutch, embarrassing and had to know where there was a bathroom anywhere I went).
Months back I decided to start BB’ing and I upped my calories from 1500 to 2100. After 3 weeks, I had LOST 2 pounds. Didn’t make sense to me. I upped it to 2600 and after another 3 weeks, hadn’t gained any weight. But something else happened. My stomach was bloated 24/7, felt like I had bricks in it, felt a little sick all the time, and my bathroom woes were even more terrible than normal.
At that point I figured that I was eating something my body was rejecting. I remembered what the nutritionist said, and I proceeded to cut all wheat out of my diet. Maybe you can call it luck that I chose pasta as my main carb to reach 2600 cals/day.
I also cut the most common foods people have bad reactions to. After a few weeks, I started re-introducing things 1-by-1 and seeing how I responded to them. Nothing came close to my reaction to wheat.
All of my problems went away within weeks, including my nose allergies.
I had been taking Nasonex every single day for years and years ( which I had unsuccessfully tried to stop or wane off of many many times ). 10 years ago I went to a specialist for my allergies and spent 2 years trying to find a solution. Don’t need it at all anymore.
The bathroom situation goes easily and smoothly (emphasis on ‘smoothly’). I can’t count how many times over the last 25 years I’ve gone to doctors and specialists trying to figure out why 90% of the time I had diarrhea and other pains/problems with my digestive system.
I’m actually NOT lactose intolerant. cereal + milk = sick. Turns out, I blamed the wrong component. Good thing too, ice cream and milk shakes are AWESOME!
I spent most of my life eating 1200-1500 calories a day because when I ate more I would get a rumbley in my tumbley for the rest of the day, maybe even the next day. I didn’t understand how people could it more. The volume at even 2100 seemed overwhelming. Well Yesterday I ate 3000 calories, felt fine, and within 5 hours I was hungry again!!! That’s never happened before.
I’m not articulate enough to describe how incredible it is to feel normal. It’s like when I got eye glasses for the first time and I could see the individual leaves on trees. The world seemed so amazing. I wish this food allergy revelation had happened sooner in my life but I’ll take it!
Sorry for the long reply.
Gluten causes heartburn/GERD even in those w/o celiac disease: Acid Reflux Linked to Gluten Intolerance l Gluten Free Society
finished the book today. Quite eye-opening and makes total sense.
Author cites a few studies, but explains things in a simple to understand scientific reason.
He even touches on the fallacy of the low-fat/cholesterol craze, which is good. And as a surgeon, he even calls out the medical community numerous times.
IMO- a must read for anyone interested in becoming healthier.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
He even touches on the fallacy of the low-fat/cholesterol craze, which is good. And as a surgeon, he even calls out the medical community numerous times.
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I was traveling for work this week. The hotel I was in has a free breakfast made to order, plus the typical fruit, toast, pastry, coffee buffet.
Typical breakfast for me in these places is 4 egg (instead of the default 3) ham and cheese or bacon omellette (+bacon strips). Sometimes just 4 eggs over medium.
All week I stood in line and watched nastily fat people order ‘white omellettes’ and pile plates with wheat toast and large glasses of OJ or juice and coffee+sugar.
A couple different people asked me (and this usually happens other places) or commented on cholesterol. I usually dismiss it with “meh” instead of engaging them.
I guess my point is that the “whole grain carbs + sugar a la late 80’s-90’s = OK, but bacon will kill you dead” thinking is so deeply rooted in our culture that it will take a long time for the ideas in Wheat Belly or the experiences we on these boards take as ‘normal for us’ to root if ever.
Decades of millions/billions spent in marketing and lobbying of the grain industry (big ag) + govt assistance + big pharma is not going to just go away with ‘facts’.
In some decades, people will look back to now and compare our ‘food science’ like we think about decades ago when kids used to play with mercury from thermometers and no one thought anything of it.
Yeah, totally agree.
Was meeting with a client today and we talked nutrition and the topic eventually lead to exactly what you are saying Steely.
this is a 350 lb woman and she said shocked “yeah, all I have in my house is whole wheat stuff”… Now, I realize there is more to her weight than wheat, but it goes to show that even someone trying to make better choices is still misled by bad dietary info
rice flour bread tastes > sprouted grain bread, looks like toast is back with eggs and bacon
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
He even touches on the fallacy of the low-fat/cholesterol craze, which is good. And as a surgeon, he even calls out the medical community numerous times.
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I had a PT a couple of years back which I ended up being close friends with. He competed on BB competitions and echoed a lot of what’s being said here. He had some medical tests done and the doctor told him he was on the verge of having a heart attack. That he had to stop eating all that animal fat and cholesterol.
Just a piece of anecdotal evidence, but anyone who knows anyone who’s been diagnosed with heart problems knows saturated fats and cholesterol are usually blamed (even if only implicitly by doctors telling patients to stop eating those). Does the author address this? Are there other sources on this?