Long before I started I started competing, I at least TRIED to pass for a NORMAL person when I’d go out with non-gym friends. Now I just don’t care. I still try not to draw attention to myself, there’s something almost pathetic about ‘that guy’ who walks into the room with a shirt that’s obviously too tight, then makes a big production out of eating a protein bar neatly stashed in his pocket (“Hey everyone, lookit me! I workout!”)
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Long before I started I started competing, I at least TRIED to pass for a NORMAL person when I’d go out with non-gym friends. Now I just don’t care. I still try not to draw attention to myself, there’s something almost pathetic about ‘that guy’ who walks into the room with a shirt that’s obviously too tight, then makes a big production out of eating a protein bar neatly stashed in his pocket (“Hey everyone, lookit me! I workout!”)
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Lol i find that most of the time the person doing that is relatively small and not someone id associate with. I walk into a room with my cooler, set it down next to me out of the way, and do my thing when i need to. And ive ripped too many tight shirts awhile back, lol so i learned my lesson. Though the Xls are getting kinda tight these days…
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
And ive ripped too many tight shirts awhile back, lol so i learned my lesson. [/quote]
I’m just picturing Akuma being asked to leave a party after his shirt explodes into shreds… Cue sad Incredible Hulk TV Show ending theme music (du,du,du, dumm… -lol)
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Just to elaborate on the differences between Peri-workout nutrition, though.
I’ve used Surge, waxy maize, oats, chocolate milk, and a cornucopia of other carb sources around my workouts, and I’ve ultimately come out to one conclusion…
I cannot use simple-sugars post workout. I don’t know why, I don’t know how. It’s not the whole “Oh noes, I look bloated” difference, but when I have simple sugars post-workout my body composition can change in a matter of DAYS.
Anyway, I don’t want to write any novels about my life experience but I openly encourage people to make sure they’re catering to the needs of their individual body, instead of what everybody else tells them they need to do.
[quote]SSC wrote:
…I openly encourage people to make sure they’re catering to the needs of their individual body, instead of what everybody else tells them they need to do.[/quote]
No doubt, i try to preach that in every thread i make.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
And ive ripped too many tight shirts awhile back, lol so i learned my lesson. [/quote]
I’m just picturing Akuma being asked to leave a party after his shirt explodes into shreds… Cue sad Incredible Hulk TV Show ending theme music (du,du,du, dumm… -lol)
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Ive tried to alter shirts that are funny as hell and i love to make them work…but dude, Lol i just end up f-ing those up too.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Just to elaborate on the differences between Peri-workout nutrition, though.
I’ve used Surge, waxy maize, oats, chocolate milk, and a cornucopia of other carb sources around my workouts, and I’ve ultimately come out to one conclusion…
I cannot use simple-sugars post workout. I don’t know why, I don’t know how. It’s not the whole “Oh noes, I look bloated” difference, but when I have simple sugars post-workout my body composition can change in a matter of DAYS.
Anyway, I don’t want to write any novels about my life experience but I openly encourage people to make sure they’re catering to the needs of their individual body, instead of what everybody else tells them they need to do.[/quote]
Curoius what you are using for PWO carbs - PM me if you can’t/don’t want to say here.
With not too many questions popping up or anything going on in this thread, im basically gonna assume that everyone has a perfect diet. May i get some advice if thats the case?
No, actually, I’d like to ask from this Akuma-guy… You mentioned, that your gym-time can be as much as 2.5-3 hours (if I recall it correctly) and that a good peri-workout nutrition enables you to keep up your focus-performance for such a “long time”. I wondered, what you eat before hitting the gym.
I’m asking this, as I’ve found that sipping lot of carbs pre-during training increased my workout capacity more than anything else. whereas I formerly trained for 1 hour and feel exhausted-dizzy, now I can go up to 2.5 hours without any soreness, and push the weights much harder, and I also experience much better progress in strength<
So, what you eat before hitting the gym? Some guys have incredible big meal before workout, while some like to make it light, because too much solid thingy in their guts makes them “sluggish” or what.
I’ve recently took Way’s advice to heart and my diet is 40/40/20. Protein is 40, and either fat or carbs is 40, with the other being 20.
I felt cool today, busting out a Clif Bar while at the movie theatre.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
With not too many questions popping up or anything going on in this thread, im basically gonna assume that everyone has a perfect diet. May i get some advice if thats the case?[/quote]
Honestly, nutrition is probably the easiest to get down, but still the area where most people fail. There’s very little to say about it other than:
1: Set ONE goal. Fat loss or muscle gain.
2: Muscle gain requires, in order:
a) A Caloric surplus
b) Adequate protein intake
c) Adequate nutrients
d) OPTIONAL: Strategic supplementation of protein and energy at important times, around workouts being the most useful time for them.
3: Fat loss requires, in order:
a) A caloric deficit
b) Adequate protein intake to spare muscle mass
c) Adequate nutrients to promote physiological function despite caloric deficit
d) OPTIONAL: Strategic supplementation with thermogenics, small physiological effect but may have a greater psychological effect because it will make you do that extra cardio or adhere to the diet because you’ve spent x ammount on a supplement, and you want your money’s worth.
Those two main points, surplus and deficit, overshadow all others in my mind, and makes bodybuilding nutrition very simple and straightforward.
People complicate this, like training, which simply is damaging your muscle and using nutrition to repair it, to the point where they completely lose focus and wonder if they should have oats, brown rice or sweet potatoes, as if that one choice will significantly change their physique. The personality trait of second guessing and not just sticking to a plan that is 80% perfect ad nauseum is a much better indicator of how hard you will fail rahter than having the aboslutely perfect diet.
No matter where you start nutrition-wise, if you’re able to see and measure the changes in your body as you go along and make adjustments, you are on your way to the perfect nutrition for your body.
The problem is, people spend more time reading articles and magazines than getting to know how their body respons to different circumstances, and I believe many are short-changing themselves by doing that.
There’s something to be said for walking the path, not just having it described to you.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
I think this is the video you were referencing Akuma. Also he is just talking about his pre-contest diet, I’m pretty sure Dave eats red meat in the off-season.[/quote]
i genuinely felt bad for that guy. Not having the support of your close friends and family is a pretty shitty situation. I know they were hamming it up for the cameras but you could tell its real[/quote]
Is Raising the Bar worth purchasing?
[quote]Liv92 wrote:
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Yep, no problem. I find front-loading carbs does wonders for me.
So generally, it looks something like this,
…OR… Lately I’ve been trying a ‘healthy’ version of Qdoba/Chipotle burrito an hour before I go in, so that’d be like…
And then the rest of the PWO nutrients will look the same, minus the meal 30 minutes prior. BTW… I’m also dieting right now. I preffer to eat twice before a workout to front-load rather than in one giant meal so I (theoretically) have more of a “sustained” carbohydrate approach that lasts through the workout. I hope some of this makes sense.
You’re unemployed, aren’t you Akuma?
lol
Great threads here, my friend! Very thorough.
I’d love to hear a female’s perspective on this topic(Deb, are you lurking?)
Do any of you have opinions as far as that goes? Nutrition isn’t any different,(eat more to get big, eat less to cut) but obviously we aren’t trying to get as hyooge as possible either.(well, not the same as the guys anyway)
For me personally, I’d like to maintain a lean physique(still working to get there) with an appreciable amount of muscle.
Hey 'kuma. What makes you stick to simple carbs after your workout, obviously as opposed to before. I realise you follow what the ‘greats’ have done, and they do this. But why not follow the new line of thought to load simple carbs before and during with complex carbs after??
Have you tried this and didnt like it? Cos i know your not one to take information, see if it works, and disregard if it doesnt.
PS. nice thread. AGAIN.
[quote]Vejne wrote:
No, actually, I’d like to ask from this Akuma-guy… You mentioned, that your gym-time can be as much as 2.5-3 hours (if I recall it correctly) and that a good peri-workout nutrition enables you to keep up your focus-performance for such a “long time”. I wondered, what you eat before hitting the gym.
I’m asking this, as I’ve found that sipping lot of carbs pre-during training increased my workout capacity more than anything else. whereas I formerly trained for 1 hour and feel exhausted-dizzy, now I can go up to 2.5 hours without any soreness, and push the weights much harder, and I also experience much better progress in strength<
So, what you eat before hitting the gym? Some guys have incredible big meal before workout, while some like to make it light, because too much solid thingy in their guts makes them “sluggish” or what.[/quote]
My norm is that i have a snack, and usually hit the gym within 2hrs of it. The snack is a 600cal, 60carb, and 50g protein snack. If gym time ends up being later then i wanted, i just throw a banana and like a 2scoop protein shake in. Im not a huge fan of eating a lot before i walk into the gym, mainly because of what i have to drink while in the gym. Depending on the day, i make my Anaconda/surge drink 1k ml- 2kml (shorter days, i use less water and powder, while the longer days i knock it up to 2 1/2 scoops and up the water) PLus the water ill be drinking while in the gym.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
Hey Akuma, is 4 whole eggs and 2 egg whites not enough protein? whats with the shake right after?
Never understood that, i always kept protein shakes seperate to meals. otherwise i start worrying about damagin my kidneys from too much protein.
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Yea, i feel that that 6 egg combo was not enough protein, as it is only approx 32g of protein. So i add in the shake. My kidneys are like me, they wont be giving up anytime soon. Trust me, we talk on a daily basis.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
With not too many questions popping up or anything going on in this thread, im basically gonna assume that everyone has a perfect diet. May i get some advice if thats the case?[/quote]
Honestly, nutrition is probably the easiest to get down, but still the area where most people fail. There’s very little to say about it other than:
1: Set ONE goal. Fat loss or muscle gain.
2: Muscle gain requires, in order:
a) A Caloric surplus
b) Adequate protein intake
c) Adequate nutrients
d) OPTIONAL: Strategic supplementation of protein and energy at important times, around workouts being the most useful time for them.
3: Fat loss requires, in order:
a) A caloric deficit
b) Adequate protein intake to spare muscle mass
c) Adequate nutrients to promote physiological function despite caloric deficit
d) OPTIONAL: Strategic supplementation with thermogenics, small physiological effect but may have a greater psychological effect because it will make you do that extra cardio or adhere to the diet because you’ve spent x ammount on a supplement, and you want your money’s worth.
Those two main points, surplus and deficit, overshadow all others in my mind, and makes bodybuilding nutrition very simple and straightforward.
People complicate this, like training, which simply is damaging your muscle and using nutrition to repair it, to the point where they completely lose focus and wonder if they should have oats, brown rice or sweet potatoes, as if that one choice will significantly change their physique. The personality trait of second guessing and not just sticking to a plan that is 80% perfect ad nauseum is a much better indicator of how hard you will fail rahter than having the aboslutely perfect diet.
No matter where you start nutrition-wise, if you’re able to see and measure the changes in your body as you go along and make adjustments, you are on your way to the perfect nutrition for your body.
The problem is, people spend more time reading articles and magazines than getting to know how their body respons to different circumstances, and I believe many are short-changing themselves by doing that.
There’s something to be said for walking the path, not just having it described to you.
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I was being Facetious in what i said.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
You’re unemployed, aren’t you Akuma?
lol
Great threads here, my friend! Very thorough.[/quote]
Nein. I work 4-5 days a week. Im just a very fast typer (thanks to growing up playing MMOs) so these threads take a good 5min to make.