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[quote]phil5775 wrote:
In regards to C). Does that mean when we were killing Nazis back in World War II, that it made the Allied soldiers Nazis, too?[/quote]

I think there’s an important difference to be noted between killing people to extinction and killing until they stop what they’re doing.

The Allies killed Nazis until the Nazis surrendered. Then the killing (except for some isolated incidents) stopped.

That’s the reason most self-defense laws allow you to shoot someone who’s actively threatening you, but will charge you if you shoot him when he’s running away.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Why is the solution to killing always more killing?
[/quote]

That is why I used the present progressive in my post. I like to believe I would kill to stop an innocent person from being murdered.

At any rate, I don’t think you can really expect someone to say:

[quote] pookie preferred me to say:
Man, I am so angry! Seeing those people stoning that innocent woman really makes me want to issue them all life sentences without parole, and to restrict their outside privileges and conjugal visitations!
Hell, I say we even cut off cable and internet access!
[/quote]

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

Hell, I say we even cut off cable and internet access!
[/quote]

YOU MONSTER!!!

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[quote]Ren wrote:
really? It was the only “seemingly” REALLY good article that explained the situation. Hell, it went as far as to mention the stoners’ faith.[/quote]

I wouldn’t go as far as compare it to Fox (apples and oranges), but the Mirror is as low as British papers come. It picks on sentational stories and petty scandals, and blows them out of proportions. Not that it did anything wrong in this case, but it’s usually best to avoid it altogether.

Here’s a thorough report by Amnesty International.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140272007

May Du’a rest in peace.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
phil5775 wrote:
In regards to C). Does that mean when we were killing Nazis back in World War II, that it made the Allied soldiers Nazis, too?

I think there’s an important difference to be noted between killing people to extinction and killing until they stop what they’re doing.

The Allies killed Nazis until the Nazis surrendered. Then the killing (except for some isolated incidents) stopped.

That’s the reason most self-defense laws allow you to shoot someone who’s actively threatening you, but will charge you if you shoot him when he’s running away.
[/quote]

Are you saying things like this are bad too:
“The killing is said to have spurred the killings of about two dozen Yazidi men by Sunni Muslims in the Mosul area two weeks later. Attackers affiliated with al Qaeda pulled 24 Yazidi men out of a bus and slaughtered them, a provincial official said.”

Full story:

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[quote]pookie wrote:

The Iraq war supporters keep repeating how evil Saddam was for gassing the Kurds; and here we are, a stoning later, and a whole bunch of you now wish they could outdo him and complete the genocide.

[/quote]

It takes a thug to rule thugs. Sometimes the best long term solution to primitive sectarian barbarism is a mean secularizing mothafucka.

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Lets not forget that it was just about a hundred years ago when dozens of blacks got lynched every single year, in some cases in front of thousands of cheering people.

Thats the problem with the middle east, unlike in the western world the humanist development in their culture has hardly progressed
in the last couple of centuries. Forced marriages and all of that shit also existed in europe before the age of enlightenment, somehow that must have missed them…

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I don’t participate in this forum but I like to read the discussions. All I have to ask is, what the fuck is wrong with those people over there??

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Thank our occupation. This was written before the latest incident…

Women Under Attack: The Talibanization of Iraq
May 9, 2007
Yanar Mohammed returned to Iraq from Canada in 2003 because she thought the veil of tyranny had finally been lifted from her native country. She and two other women started the Organization for Women’s Freedom in Iraq (OWFI), with the goal of fighting for women’s rights.

But since those days, her OWFI cofounders have fled the country, and Mohammed herself has received numerous death threats for her work. OWFI, one of the few remaining nongovernmental organizations left in Iraq, has been forced to operate in complete secrecy.

“We live in a state of continuous fear – if our hair shows on the street, if we’re not veiled enough at work,” says Mohammed, 47. “It’s a new experience for women in Iraq. After four years, it’s turned into Afghanistan under the Taliban.”

Throughout much of recent history, Iraq was one of the most progressive countries in the Middle East for women. These rights diminished somewhat after the 1991 Gulf War, partly because of Saddam Hussein’s new embrace of Islamic tribal law as a way of consolidating power, and partly due to the United Nations’ sanctions against the regime. Still, as bad as it was during Saddam’s time, women’s well-being and security have sharply deteriorated since the fall of his regime…

“The violence during Saddam’s time was … committed by the government, Saddam’s family, people in power. Now the violence is … being committed by everyone around you,” says Salbi, who founded the group Women for Women International in 1993…
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/51621

And its not all that great for our own women over there either…

Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death
NEW YORK - U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women’s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.

“Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,” Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. “In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep…”
https://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/022006/020806.shtml#top

The private war of women soldiers
Many female soldiers say they are sexually assaulted by their male comrades and can’t trust the military to protect them. “The knife wasn’t for the Iraqis,” says one woman. “It was for the guys on my own side.”

If you’ve been supporting this war unconditionally–give yourself a big pat on the back…

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/Pats his own back.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
/Pats his own back.[/quote]

Give yourself another one while your at it…

Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates
As many as 654,965 more Iraqis may have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003 than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad…

The study is published in the October 14, 2006, edition of the peer-reviewed scientific journal, The Lancet.

Peer-reviewed no less.

And all for only $500 billion and counting. Oh well, it would have just gone to waste on New Orleans, healthcare and alternative energy research anyway.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
B) Christians have done evil shit to.

That doesn’t change the fact that this particular event is wrong.

C) Killing them all would make us equally as wrong, if you can’t see that you’re retarded.

I don’t know about that. If I saw a group of people killing another human being, I don’t think I would be wrong to kill them.[/quote]

Wow Neph, I never thought of you as retarded, but since you cannot seem to land a girl, I guess it fits. Girls occupy more than 50% of this countries gender, yet you can’t land one. LOL

Unfortunately if you find someone killing another person, under the laws of the US, you are required to help, but you are not required, and not expected to kill anyone in helping. That means if you come across me killing my wife, you can tug on my arm and ask me to stop, but you cannot kill me, and if you decide to kill me, it is called manslaughter for which your defense may be duress and consent. You may get off, you may not.

Good luck with that.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
/Pats his own back.[/quote]

Go respond to some posts. I think there are a few anti Bush/republican posts that beckon your call.

Good luck with that.

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
I don’t participate in this forum but I like to read the discussions. All I have to ask is, what the fuck is wrong with those people over there?? [/quote]

I think it is people like you.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Wow Neph, I never thought of you as retarded, but since you cannot seem to land a girl, I guess it fits. [/quote]

Pete,

Nephorm is definitely not a retard. Matter of fact, among the right-wingers around here, he’s easily the most brilliant poster. Attacking him for his alleged chivalry is just not right. I’m a pacifist, but if I was in that particular crime scene, I might snap and start breaking the perpetrators’ bones.

My 2 cts.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:

Unfortunately if you find someone killing another person, under the laws of the US, you are required to help, but you are not required, and not expected to kill anyone in helping. That means if you come across me killing my wife, you can tug on my arm and ask me to stop, but you cannot kill me, and if you decide to kill me, it is called manslaughter for which your defense may be duress and consent. You may get off, you may not.

Good luck with that.

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I think you’re wrong here.

from Justifiable homicide - Wikipedia

“A non-criminal homicide, usually committed in self-defense or in defense of another, may be called in some cases in the United States. A homicide may be considered justified if it is done to prevent a very serious crime, such as rape, armed robbery, or murder. The assailant’s intent to commit a serious crime must be clear at the time. A homicide performed out of vengeance, or retribution for action in the past would generally not be considered justifiable.”

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
StevenF wrote:
I don’t participate in this forum but I like to read the discussions. All I have to ask is, what the fuck is wrong with those people over there??

I think it is people like you. [/quote]

I don’t understand this reply, care to elaborate?

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Wow Neph, I never thought of you as retarded, but since you cannot seem to land a girl, I guess it fits. Girls occupy more than 50% of this countries gender, yet you can’t land one. LOL
[/quote]

Just high standards, I guess. I prefer only the best looking girls in my vocational program.

I should have added a “necessarily” in my original statement. The law doesn’t define what is right and wrong, however, only what is legal. Sometimes homicide is justified.

Your example worries me, especially given previous posts you’ve made about your wife. I hope you two are OK.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Why is the solution to killing always more killing?[/quote]

That’s different. Its simply going vigilante on people who are just evil in my opinion.

But of course there is always another option. Like solitary confinement in jail for the lot of them after a trial.

[quote]
Those of you who call themselves Christians, where’s the forgiveness? What happened to “judge not?”[/quote]

I’m not Christian. I’m quasi-Atheist. Therefore I am free to think as I want without being restricted by an imaginary box some religious cult tries to impose.

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[quote]unbending wrote:
I’m quasi-Atheist.[/quote]

That’s like a woman saying she’s half-pregnant.