What is the reason you use those areas ?
I have read that Deca can be spot shot for improvement in
a specific area, but I have also read that since its an IM
shot, the substance is absorbed by your blood and circulated.
What was your experience with it ?
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they are just as good as any other area imo… very lean areas on my body perfect for slin pinning.
the support for deca site enhancement is a study that was done on chickens… so… I don’t believe it.
I like pinning my traps before deadlifting/rack pulling… helps me with mind muscle connection
At 10% BF you should be fine with the 1/2 in for quads and glutes, even if it did go subq
and its pharma grade Cyp it will present no problem, except for a little slower absorption.
I prefer to shoot no more than 1ml per site at a time, but I have done up to 2ml.
With pharma grade Cyp you shouldn’t have any PIP issues, so two weekly injections (250mg each) are fine. If you wanted to do 600mg’s you could still do 2, but three would give you less peak and valley in your test level.
What kind of results are you getting now with 200mg per week ?
What kind of results are you getting now with 200mg per week ? [/quote]
Been on 200mg/week for about 4 months now. I’m finally leaning out and getting stronger slowly but surely. Last bloodwork put me at 1490+ - TRT doc says at my age he wants me above 1200. I’ve been thinking of dropping to 150mg/week for cruise and 500-600mg for blasts. Depending on the results of my first blast I may blast a few times a year.
Frankly, I’m concerned that I’ll be underwhelmed with my results. Sure would be nice to get bigger. I’ve spent most of my life skinny-fat, never particularly athletic looking and want to transform my physique at this ripe old age. I suspect I’ve been lot most of my adult life. That’s the reason for my toying around with the idea of a stack vs. a test only first cycle.
Well, took the plunge today 300mg t-Cyp. Doing a 12 week 600mg t-Cyp only cycle. I’ll log results here for those interested. Haven’t been able to find much on the board in the way of results for older guys on their first cycles, so I thought I’d record it for posterity. I’ll save the deca/dbol for future cycles.
Thank you for all the info folks, much appreciated.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
sounds good, be sure to keep an eye on your BP[/quote]
Even though I’m already on this same stuff (tycp) for TRT it’ll be something like two/four weeks before I start feeling the effects of the increased dose from all I’ve read, is this correct? This is why most normal cycles start with oral kick starts like dbol, right?
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
sounds good, be sure to keep an eye on your BP[/quote]
Even though I’m already on this same stuff (tycp) for TRT it’ll be something like two/four weeks before I start feeling the effects of the increased dose from all I’ve read, is this correct? This is why most normal cycles start with oral kick starts like dbol, right?
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before you start feeling it yes, but the side effects begin very quickly
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
before you start feeling it yes, but the side effects begin very quickly[/quote]
Good sides? Bad sides? Or both? lol[/quote]
well your testosterone will elevate quickly, and therefore your estrogen will increase quickly as well if you are not using AI (which you are so no worries)
What kind of results are you getting now with 200mg per week ? [/quote]
Been on 200mg/week for about 4 months now. I’m finally leaning out and getting stronger slowly but surely. Last bloodwork put me at 1490+ - TRT doc says at my age he wants me above 1200. I’ve been thinking of dropping to 150mg/week for cruise and 500-600mg for blasts. Depending on the results of my first blast I may blast a few times a year.
Do you have the rest of your last bloodwork #'s ?
Interested in your % free test and SHBG # if you have them.
Also, what was your pre TRT test # ?
Do you have the rest of your last bloodwork #'s ?
Interested in your % free test and SHBG # if you have them.
Also, what was your pre TRT test # ?
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Before TRT I started at 254 TT, dropped to 114 on transdermals. It’s been about 6 months since I’ve been on 200mg/week of t-cyp. Again thinking of cruising at 150mg/week after I come off.
My next pull in about a 6 weeks will be the whole deal with CBC etc.
Testosterone, Serum 1486 High ng/dL 348-1197 SO
Free Testosterone(Direct) >52.0 High pg/mL 6.8-21.5 BN
DHEA-Sulfate 183.6 ug/dL 44.3-331.0 SO
Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 20.9 nmol/L 16.5-55.9 SO
Estradiol 7.6 pg/mL 7.6-42.6 SO (this was on .85mg adex EOD to beat down my e2 which 4 weeks earlier was in the 60’s, now I’m on .5mg EOD for the cycle)
Testosterone, Serum 1486 High ng/dL 348-1197 SO
Free Testosterone(Direct) >52.0 High pg/mL 6.8-21.5 BN
Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 20.9 nmol/L 16.5-55.9 SO
I suspected you had low SHBG. I have it too.
It’s the reason that you are making slow gains on T-CYP.
You will still make gains with it, but they won’t be like someone with
higher or moderate SHBG. Many men with low SHBG feel like trt is marginal
or a waste.
From my reading/research and own personal experience:
Men with low SHBG liver’s filters Test out quickly as the T isn’t bound very well, and quickly eliminates
it. Because of the long ester of Cyp, you don’t get the full punch of all the mg’s
you are injecting. Even injecting Cyp or Enth daily will not yield the results
that you hear others raving about.
This is the reason that I use Test Prop.
It has a half life of 2-4 days (depending on who you ask) but it allows more mg’s of TEST
to be used by your tissues before you liver gets a hold of it and eliminates it.
I have better libido, strength and muscle development with 100-140mg per week than I ever had
with up 350mg T-CYP or ENTH per week. Using 500mg T-CYP per week, I did get gains but they were still slow to materialize.
I’m telling you, once you try T-PROP you won’t want anything else.
I was under the impression that high shbg bound testosterone and lowered your Free-T. My FT is pretty high. Always has been compared to my TT - even when I wasn’t on T which is why I was able to impregnate my wife lol.
In any case can you point at anything other than your own experience with T-Cyp to substantiate your theory?
Not a shot across the bow or anything, just wanting to know more I have 100mL’s of 1mLx250mg T-Cyp in the cupboard!
So, PKNY when you blast do you use T-Prop? If so how much? Would you use the same amount on a T only cycle?
