[quote]threepercenter wrote:
But I want to get ripped for the lake by July so I might start now.
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Thanks for the ab workout.
Seriously you can be ready for the lake sooner if you do high rep squats. Drugs or no drugs that will show off your abs and everything else.
Just out of curiosity how many days before your lab work had you injected? Was it three or did you inject seven days before you had the blood drawn?
you can blast as high as you want, 1g of test is a common dose for a cycle and should yield solid results.
If you want to gain however, Olympic style lifting is quite inferior to bodybuilding…
I’d be interested in how you can get a prescription for the amounts you will use for blasting.
As for TRT, once you are dialed in it takes up to a year for some of the benefits to fully materialize and stabilize, so I would not blast too soon or too often. Here is a good link regarding this (see also the figures at the bottom of the page).
Yea going for size or getting ripped while juggling a first time cycle, lots of unknown variables and maybe trying to shoot at a moving target.
I think there are a good number of people who do not do enough compound movements who could get bigger if they did more than isolation work, squats, deads, cleans, RDLs, rows, snatches, push press, etc…but I also imagine (Ive never done BB) that if you were strictly looking for hypertrophy you could figure out some BB workout that included some of the bigger movements…but getting ripped for the lake might be more about carving your abs in the kitchen, and doing sh$t tons of high intensity intervals in addition to your lifts whether BB or olympic lifting.
The high rep squat idea might be just your ticket 
Guys put 20-30 pounds of weight on in a few months doing 20 rep squat routines and smashing lots of protein, juice or no juice…but its not for the meek…regardless of goals, getting big, or getting ripped, juice will not do it alone. Even the guys juicing their nuts off that look really good or are really big, are also doing hard work and eating big or strict. No magic bullets. Genetics are nice but you have no choice in choosing mom and dad…otherwise embrace the grind at the gym and the kitchen
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
I could be wrong here but I think when B&C’ing you can keep your armidex and HCG at the normal TRT doses. My Blast plan is 600mg T (3 equall 1ml shots M-W-SA) cyp + 500iu HCG+ 1mg anastrazole/week + 4iu daily HGH on 12weeks 2x per year
When crusing its 200mg t cyp + 500iu HCG (no anastarazole) + 4iu HGH 5/2 or 8iu E3
I find I dont need the anatrazole on my weekly dose but just throw it in while blasting 2 be safe but everyones bodys are different
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Just got my bloodwork back this week, and my e2 is going up it’s now at 60 pg/mL (7.6-42.6), this is on 1.2mg of anastrazole a week (split into .3 e2d) I’m bumping my anastrazole to .5 e2d and will restest in a month. It’s funny but I could tell it was going up, like in my gut.
In any case might want to keep an eye on your AI, I thought mine was dailed in. I was at 22 for e2 last set of labs.
You’re correct, I plan on getting my levels stabilized before engaging in this - I just had an e2 surprise I didn’t like.
[quote]bluecollarjock wrote:
You sure you want to jump on the blast so early? If you were feeling like crap and had health issues leading to HRT, why not stabilize yourself 6-8 months and just enjoy it, and get a few follow up labs to know you are consistent. Not trying to be a party pooper, but it took me a good 3-4 months on HRT to dial in my T and E levels, and although I felt good within a few months, I kept feeling exponentially better within the first year on HRT standard doses.
You should keep feeling way better just on the HRT, and be able to improve recovery, and make gains just by training, eating, and recovery protocols (quality sleep included)…then if you feel a year into this you are not feeling you look or perform as you needed start blasting and cruising.
Not trying to start conflict, just saying from a health perspective it might be good to let your body adjust and make sure all the dosages of T, HCG, adex are where they need to be over a few more months, and keep letting the stuff work its magic with some patience for the long term…and maybe look into different lifting programs, change up some variables, supplements, sleep, tissue work, lots of ways to make progress without jumping right on a blast.
60 days is nothing on HRT…you got plenty of good times ahead even on 200mg Test a week…Im pushing 40 and on 200mg week Test for 4 years I am doing just fine in the gym…not saying I am not tempted to blast, but 200mg plus supplementation right, and tissue work, stretching, the right combo of full body lifts starting on the platform olympic movements to powerlifts in rack, to ending each session with 10-15 minute intervals (strongman stuff, sprints, versa climber, sledge hammer work, sled push/pulls, ropes, KB circuits), I am still making improvements in body comp and varying performance goals. But no doubt the temptation is there reading forums to want to smash some Primo, Mast, Var, etc etc haha…but 60 days in I would suggest considering a slow approach to jumping into higher doses[/quote]
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
you can blast as high as you want, 1g of test is a common dose for a cycle and should yield solid results.
If you want to gain however, Olympic style lifting is quite inferior to bodybuilding… [/quote]
I just switched to dumbell splits for BB. Been doing them for about 8 weeks, solid results thus far.
[quote]seekonk wrote:
I’d be interested in how you can get a prescription for the amounts you will use for blasting.
As for TRT, once you are dialed in it takes up to a year for some of the benefits to fully materialize and stabilize, so I would not blast too soon or too often. Here is a good link regarding this (see also the figures at the bottom of the page).
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I have scrips called into a few different pharmacies, but given the out of pocket cost for my T-Cyp I was thinking of ordering some 250mg T-Cyp gear to do the blasts. From what I read the 250mg gear is roughly equivalent to pharma grade 200mg gear. Any thoughts on this? Through some diligent research I found a Canadian outfit that seems to have a good name in the field.
Agreed. I work out 90 minutes a day 3 days on, 1 day off and I’ve begun doing sprints as well. Time will tell. Pretty sure the recently elevated e2 is not helping.
[quote]bluecollarjock wrote:
Yea going for size or getting ripped while juggling a first time cycle, lots of unknown variables and maybe trying to shoot at a moving target.
I think there are a good number of people who do not do enough compound movements who could get bigger if they did more than isolation work, squats, deads, cleans, RDLs, rows, snatches, push press, etc…but I also imagine (Ive never done BB) that if you were strictly looking for hypertrophy you could figure out some BB workout that included some of the bigger movements…but getting ripped for the lake might be more about carving your abs in the kitchen, and doing sh$t tons of high intensity intervals in addition to your lifts whether BB or olympic lifting.
The high rep squat idea might be just your ticket Guys put 20-30 pounds of weight on in a few months doing 20 rep squat routines and smashing lots of protein, juice or no juice…but its not for the meek…regardless of goals, getting big, or getting ripped, juice will not do it alone. Even the guys juicing their nuts off that look really good or are really big, are also doing hard work and eating big or strict. No magic bullets. Genetics are nice but you have no choice in choosing mom and dad…otherwise embrace the grind at the gym and the kitchen[/quote]
I havent done labs in a few years because I did them so often the first few years, like 24 vials of blood every 3-5 months, we checked everything…now I feel dialed in and great… for 200mg week of Test Cyp (I do 2x week injections, just today started SubQ gonna try that for a bit give my quads and buttcheeks a rest), I do adex .5 on M/W/F and works out perfect for me. So I am Mon/Thurs 100mg Test Cyp, M/W/F .5 adex, and M/W/F 250iu HCG. I am sure we all individually react to these compounds and need to tinker and figure out where we feel best and labs are good. I have tried to wean off T and go lower, but at 100mg week I start feeling almost depressed, I can keep my strength in gym but mentally I feel crappy, so I just stay at 200mg week. I am 5’10 and 240-250 stable, my doc thinks 200mg is fine for a guy my size and genetic if they give 100mg to ectomorph type dudes.
Your regimen is almost identical to mine, 'cept I was doing .3 anastrazole 3x week, which I’m bumping to .5 like you. I’ll retest my e2 in about 4 weeks see where it is.
I need to get the lab codes for Labcorp for a TT lab that goes above 1275 on range, when you pass the range they simply say >1275 which pisses me off. I could be 1276 or 2000 - so need to sort that one out.
here’s my TRT thread if you’re interested in backround: 46yr old Low Normal T on HRT, My Story - Testosterone Replacement - Forums - T Nation?
[quote]bluecollarjock wrote:
I havent done labs in a few years because I did them so often the first few years, like 24 vials of blood every 3-5 months, we checked everything…now I feel dialed in and great… for 200mg week of Test Cyp (I do 2x week injections, just today started SubQ gonna try that for a bit give my quads and buttcheeks a rest), I do adex .5 on M/W/F and works out perfect for me. So I am Mon/Thurs 100mg Test Cyp, M/W/F .5 adex, and M/W/F 250iu HCG. I am sure we all individually react to these compounds and need to tinker and figure out where we feel best and labs are good. I have tried to wean off T and go lower, but at 100mg week I start feeling almost depressed, I can keep my strength in gym but mentally I feel crappy, so I just stay at 200mg week. I am 5’10 and 240-250 stable, my doc thinks 200mg is fine for a guy my size and genetic if they give 100mg to ectomorph type dudes. [/quote]
If you are interested in masteron, perhaps you should ask your trt doc about injectable Vit D3. While not a steroid, D3 has some properties that mimic masteron’s interaction with exogenous testosterone. Particularly its positive effect on SHBG. It actually acts as a turbo booster for your test in many instances. Not only that, but it also helps with mood enhancement - gives you a general sense of well being. Two years ago, my trt doc cut me back to 200mg/week from 300mg/week, but added .5ml(can’t remember concentration) inj. vit D3.
I’d bore you with studies and links, but I do not currently have them at my finger tips.
Is injectable d3 better than orals? I take 10kui d3 orally.
interesting!! My docs will give me inject Vit D if I ask…but I do take 5kiu to 10k iu orally with K
Please give us more info on that, I will email it to my doc ASAP!
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RESULTS:
Men with sufficient 25(OH)D levels (> or =30 microg/l) had significantly higher levels of testosterone and FAI and significantly lower levels of SHBG when compared to 25(OH)D insufficient (20-29.9 microg/l) and 25(OH)D-deficient (<20 microg/l) men (P < 0.05 for all).[/quote]
The above study suggests that vitamin D3 helps increase total test AND free test while lowering SHBG.
I don’t think I would be so brave as to substitute proper AI regimens with mega-dosing D3, but I would definitely want D3 on my team. Still looking for reputable injectable vs. oral comparison.
Just my opinion, but oral D3 must pass through the gut, and be absorbed in the small intestine. My uneducated logic tells me that there is a lot of oral D3 passing right through the gut and out the back door. Injectable D3 doesn’t have that problem.
I cannot find what I am looking for with respect to injection versus oral D3. Seems that some people like the oral and some like injection. I will ask my doctor Monday what the advantages are, and for any supporting studies he has on the subject.
to address your post in the other thread Drunkpig, I said that Op “can go as high as he wants” and that “1g is a common dose which would yield solid results”
I never actually suggested that he run that amount… as you said in the other thread, given his age… he would most likely be prone to more serious side effects than a young’n such as myself. This is why I personally plan on stopping blast/cruise once I get to MY mid 40’s and go to trt for the remainder of my life.
OP, using supraphysiological doses of testosterone can be damaging to your heath… a true trt does is around 100mg/week of test E/C
any more than that should be supervised by your physician
Thank you for addressing that issue, Mr. Walkaway.
In the 40+ aged male, 100mg would be a sufficient dose if:
Sadly, if one is going to his GP for TRT, he’d be better off eating bull scrotums because a GP is likely to ignore point 1 and point 2.
Gentlemen, if you’d bothered to read the information provided I’ve been on TRT for a while, under the supervision of a physician…sigh.
My regimen requires 200mg/week of T-Cyp to get me high normal.
[quote]threepercenter wrote:
Gentlemen, if you’d bothered to read the information provided I’ve been on TRT for a while, under the supervision of a physician…sigh.
My regimen requires 200mg/week of T-Cyp to get me high normal.[/quote]
My apologies, the previous couple of posts were a continuation of a discussion from another thread. It was my fault as I got my threads mixed up.