I’m back on my TRT cruise for about 6 weeks now, just got my bloodwork back:
Testosterone 1273 High ng/dL 348-1197
Free T 37.8 High pg/mL 6.8-21.5
DHEA 135.4 ug/dL 71.6-375.4
E2 7.4 pg/mL 7.6-42.6
This is on 160/mg a week (split e3d)
.25mg anastrazole e2d
and 250ui hcg e2d
Going to cut anastrazole to .1mg e2d and recheck in a few weeks see if I can get my e2 back in the 20’s.
I’m glad to have gotten through my first blast with no discernible bad effects, and several good ones. Put on some mass, dropped fat, feel “harder” was referred to as “ripped” by my girl (hilarious, cause I’m just lean for my age, but I did add some size). My next cycle will include an oral kickstart old school style dbol, but pretty much mirror this one with less emphasis on e2 control. I think having my e2 in the tank during my t only cycle kept me from additional gains that I might’ve gotten.
Thank you for the help guys, all of you. Your input and well thought out posts have been of great help.
Very cool. I’ve been following along for a few months now.
Would you ever do another T-cyp only cycle or would you advise on the kickstart? I guess it’s hard to say based on your lowered E2 values but if you could hazard a guess. I’ve got dbol and 30mL of 250mg/mL cyp on hand and I’m debating on just running my first blast of 500mg T-cyp only…
[quote]threepercenter wrote:
I’m back on my TRT cruise about a 6 weeks now, just got my bloodwork back:
Testosterone 1273 High ng/dL 348-1197
Free T 37.8 High pg/mL 6.8-21.5
DHEA 135.4 ug/dL 71.6-375.4
E2 7.4 pg/mL 7.6-42.6
This is on 160/mg a week (split e3d)
.25mg anastrazole e2d
and 250ui hcg e2d
Going to cut anastrazole to .1mg e2d and recheck in a few weeks see if I can get my e2 back in the 20’s.
I’m glad to have gotten through my first blast with no discernible bad effects, and several good ones. Put on some mass, dropped fat, feel “harder” was referred to as “ripped” by my girl (hilarious, cause I’m just lean for my age, but I did add some size). My next cycle will include an oral kickstart old school style dbol, but pretty much mirror this one with less emphasis on e2 control. I think having my e2 in the tank during my t only cycle kept me from additional gains that I might’ve gotten.
Thank you for the help guys, all of you. Your input and well thought out posts have been of great help.[/quote]
You must of had a good blast if your plaything said something. They either do see it because they are around you so much or just hate to say you look good.
Your T is still up there after 6 weeks. Do you think it’s hanging on or you blew it up on your blast. I really wish I could of had mine checked right after my first blast but the BW would have been out of pocket; money’s tight! I’m on TRT and I can not have the doctor seeing my T over 1,000 or I will get cut back.
How long are you crusin’ before your next blast? I’m shooting for the end of March; got a pec to rehab then back at it. Stockpiling my T in the meantime.
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Very cool. I’ve been following along for a few months now.
Would you ever do another T-cyp only cycle or would you advise on the kickstart? I guess it’s hard to say based on your lowered E2 values but if you could hazard a guess. I’ve got dbol and 30mL of 250mg/mL cyp on hand and I’m debating on just running my first blast of 500mg T-cyp only…[/quote]
I would go T only for the first cycle and not go overboard on the AI. Do bloodwork before the cycle to know what your ‘normal’ e2 levels are. Are you on TRT?
Your T is still up there after 6 weeks. Do you think it’s hanging on or you blew it up on your blast. I really wish I could of had mine checked right after my first blast but the BW would have been out of pocket; money’s tight! I’m on TRT and I can not have the doctor seeing my T over 1,000 or I will get cut back.
How long are you crusin’ before your next blast? I’m shooting for the end of March; got a pec to rehab then back at it. Stockpiling my T in the meantime.
In all, it sounds like a good first run.
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My doc says as long as I’m in range he wants me at the top of the range, his words “as long as you don’t hit 1500> we’re good to go”. I’m actually lower now (as a conscious decision on my part) than I was pre-blast (I was running in the 1400’s on trt).
I’m going to cruise 90 days, which was how long I was on.
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Very cool. I’ve been following along for a few months now.
Would you ever do another T-cyp only cycle or would you advise on the kickstart? I guess it’s hard to say based on your lowered E2 values but if you could hazard a guess. I’ve got dbol and 30mL of 250mg/mL cyp on hand and I’m debating on just running my first blast of 500mg T-cyp only…[/quote]
I would go T only for the first cycle and not go overboard on the AI. Do bloodworm before the cycle to know what your ‘normal’ e2 levels are. Are you on TRT?[/quote]
Yea. I was put on 200mg/week Tcyp and had since added some hCG and AI to it. Now I’m just running AI (liquidex) at about .35mg 2x/week and dropped down to 160mg/week. I’m 27 so I wanted to give myself a little wiggle room as I age. I plan on getting E2 run beforehand as well as changes have been made recently and I haven’t been able to hone in yet.
Waiting on bloodwork results to start my second blast. I’ve been cruising at 160mg/week t-cyp, which puts me right under the top of the lab range. I’ve reduced my adex to .10mg e2d for the past 2 months in an effort to get my e2 off the floor. I’m hoping my labs come back with me in the mid-20’s. I assume my e2 level is better given my increased feeling of wellness. We will have to see.
Cycle:
Length 12 weeks
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40 mg per day split in 20mg doses every 12 hours
Weeks 1-12 500mg T-Cyp per week
Weeks 1-12 Anastrozole .25 mg every other day
Hoping to allow my e2 to remain high(er) to try to realize a greater mass gain this time. Hoping for 20lbs. This will be my first time on something other than test. Must admit I’m a little concerned, but excited about potential benefits.
Since I backed off my adex I’ve gained about 5lbs, but my waist continues to shrink. Makes you wonder about e2 and muscle gain…
Yesterday was my first day on 40mg/day dbol, 20 before workout 20 12 hours later, here is my experience.
Yesterday was leg day, that means 8x20 heavy back squats and associated warmups, plus 6x20 weighted calf raises. About 3 hours after taking my initial dose at 7am, I felt ever so slightly light headed, but my heart was pumping like crazy this is in the middle of heavy back squats. I figured I’d go check my bp 89/129 just not that bad. Towards the end of my workout my calves were screaming, this must be the “pump” everyone talks about with dbol. Took my second dose that evening.
Last night I was slightly aware of tightness in my lower right back, but that has subsided now the next morning. Just took my second 20mg dose, today is an off day for me. I am considering going back to 6 on 1 off as I start the gain in strength again. I am still very aware of the soreness in my calves.
Anyway hope this log serves for old other old farts like me cycling for the first times.
P.s. I’m also off anastrazole for the next week in an effort to raise my e2 a bit, as it was less that 6pg/mL last week. I’ll be coming back at a low dose to try to keep it up a bit, bloodwork in 4 weeks.
Been on 200mg/week for about 4 months now. I’m finally leaning out and getting stronger slowly but surely. Last bloodwork put me at 1490+ - TRT doc says at my age he wants me above 1200.
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Why so high? There is no good medical reason for it, especially given your chronic high E2 problems. I have to question where some of the T docs get their ideas.
Also, you have to take into account that high T doses reduce SHBG over time, which is fine if you have high SHBG but not so fine if your SHBG isn’t high.
Been on 200mg/week for about 4 months now. I’m finally leaning out and getting stronger slowly but surely. Last bloodwork put me at 1490+ - TRT doc says at my age he wants me above 1200.
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Why so high? There is no good medical reason for it, especially given your chronic high E2 problems. I have to question where some of the T docs get their ideas.
Also, you have to take into account that high T doses reduce SHBG over time, which is fine if you have high SHBG but not so fine if your SHBG isn’t high. [/quote]
Definitely stronger in the gym, big pumps. At the end of my workout I actually did extra sets, wtf is up with that? Usually I’m so beat I drag my sad ass home I’m so trashed, today I felt like a wuss for leaving.
good thread, 47 years old, I’ve been on TRT for 6 years. Currently 100mg week test C and .5 adex. Worked out for 15 years,
Not to high jack, but really interested in blast and cruise thing. Hoping one of my brothers could give me a hint on where to start (hint I don’t see my doctor giving me 500 MG a week for oh say 12 weeks
4 weeks in.
Update: weight up about 6 lbs. I took a week off Dbol as I had terrible stomach flu and things were flowing through me quickly. I also took a week off lifting. I therefore am now on my last week of Dbol. I also dropped from 40mg in two split doses the first week to one 20mg dose a couple of hours before workout.
I’m eating like a horse. Sticking primal/paleo.
I definitely feel larger, the wife says I’m larger. I feel ever so slightly fatter if you will, but clothing fits the same around the waist, shirts a little tighter. I’ve gone to a 6 on 1 off split to try to manage time better. I’m adding plates - albeit 2.5’s or 5’s with each workout. Only thing I haven’t gotten heavier on is dumbbell flys.
The D certainly causes a light feeling of anxiety about 3 hours after taking it. I also seem to want to sleep more, it manifests itself in not wanting to get out of bed
Well I’ve added about 12 lbs, clothing still fits pretty much the same, getting stronger. Looking forward to cutting back on food as I wind this down, about 4 weeks left in. Went off adex completely about 3 weeks ago. Will start adex again after this blast finishes.
Starting to feel the mood effects of being off AI, no bloodwork done this time, but I’m fairly sure my moodiness is indicative of rapidly rising e2. No moobs or tenderness, gained another lbs. Will be starting .10mg Adex e2d this weekend Lets see if this helps me lose some of this water weight.
Back on AI feeling much better. No more dbol heartburn. Only a few days left on this cycle, looking great shedding water weight. Planning my next blast with Tren enth. Measurements etc in a couple of weeks.
Well after doing blood tests having reduced my adex to .10mg/e2d and having e2 come back at <7 I’ve gone off adex altogether. I’m starting my third week (granted I’m cruising now). Going to pull values again in a few weeks before doing my first T/TrenE cycle.
Crazy how the e2 thing works, I seem to seesaw a great deal. Feeling pretty good off adex, Wonder where I will end up off of it.
Started latest cycle about 3 weeks ago. Tren-E & T-Cyp this time. The stuff is amazing. Getting cut, dropping fat, increasing strength and weight. Amazing heartburn as a side, that I can deal with. Doing my bloodwork today. Will post cycle info later for those who ay be following this journey. 5’9" 193.2lbs 9.8% bf - first time ever below 10% (caliper).
