[quote]threepercenter wrote:
Well after doing blood tests having reduced my adex to .10mg/e2d and having e2 come back at <7 I’ve gone off adex altogether. I’m starting my third week (granted I’m cruising now). Going to pull values again in a few weeks before doing my first T/TrenE cycle.
Crazy how the e2 thing works, I seem to seesaw a great deal. Feeling pretty good off adex, Wonder where I will end up off of it. [/quote]
I realize I’d neglected to post an update to my e2 values after going off adex for a month. Skyrocketed to 52ng/pg. I went back on .10 e2d. The results I’ll post later this week will be e2 only on this tren-e/test-cyp cycle.
Well gents just started my first cuttin-ish cycle:
Weeks 1-10 100 mg Test Prop100 taken every other day
Weeks 1-10 100 mg Tren Acetate taken every other day
Weeks 1-10 50 mg Stanozol taken every other day
(all injectable)
Gotta say 3cc’s e2d is a motherfucker. Did left upper glute yesterday and holy shiite, sore as three motherfuckers. I understand thats the test prop (only have ever used tycp).
Started weighing in at 185lbs and ~9% bf - I’m 5’9" - lets see where this takes me. Will post experience as I go.
Glutes - ouch wow the prop hurts. Did first deltoid injections the other day to rotate sites, not that bad split to two 1.5cc shots with 1-1/2" 23ga pins one in each delt to gauge PIP. Not bad. Quads are today going to split again as it’s virgin muscle.
Not much change in strength yet. Am breaking out a bit though. Libido through the roof, and it was high to begin with.
10 days in, feeling good, strength up a little - not much. Definitely seeing changes, looking more cut, put on about 2 lbs - but thats because I’m eating big again. Lets see how this goes.
Quads way too painful to shoot, skipping quads.
yeah i can’t pin quads and they usually always seem to bleed anyway, give ventro glute a try.
BF% down 1% per scale (I know its inaccurate, says I’m 15% and I’m really hovering around 9% over caliber). Weight up about 6 lbs in 5 weeks. Looking vascular, feel pretty good.
Seems like the best cycle I’ve run yet. Was going to do 8-10 weeks going to 12 now.
I’d suggest doing your prop injections every day instead of every other day. Couple of reasons: more stable levels, perhaps less AI needed, but the big reason: the smaller amounts generate less pain. I’ve run test prop for trt with nightly injections. I love it. But Ive noticed that a .1ml injection never generates any pain or swelling and a .15 does. Just a 50% increase takes it from not even knowing where the injection was to a visible lump and a tiny bit of redness.
This is subq, but I would think cutting your injection volume in half would make a giant difference.
I’ve acclimatized to the larger volume now. Half life on prop is good enough to go e2d. My next cycle is going to be Andromix so I’m going to be a human pincushion.
In any case bloodwork is in on .5mg pharma Adex - e2 is high, going to go to 1mg every day. Which is like 1/5th of what the formula says, but it’ll have to be enough.
(.5mg adex x 233 current e2) / 22 target e2 = 5.3mg ed - yikes
Fortunately Adex dosing isn’t linear we’ll see how it goes will pull bloods again in a couple of weeks.
That said I’m gaining def, weight, getting bigger and stronger. There are those who believe in letting your e2 spike, I’m undecided either way 233 is too high.
Forgot to mention the night sweats, sleeping like a baby though…
It may be that the tren is fucking with the lab results of your E2.
Interesting just read a bit about Tren affecting e2 levels. There seems to be some controversy related to this some say its true others say its a bunk theory.
I’ve run Tren e before and was a high e2 as well. The increase in adex resolved it. This time I would seem to be aromatizing more.
I am in similar boat, on TRT but heavy training
But instead of going T and tren or others. I only
Use 200mg Tcyp per week, free T around 1100
I am 43. But not yet using arimidex or similar yet
As doc said will be ok still
But wasnt testd again. So i think time to do it, to
See E2 levels
Using T cyp for tear now, prevoously only 150-160mg
Per week.
Steady gains of Approx 1kg per month lean muscle and strength
Test is low for 400mg a week
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Test is low for 400mg a week[/quote]
Labcorp doesn’t ever rate much higher, they have to dilute to get those results. I figure I’m higher.
Been thinking a lot about realistic goals - I have about 4 years of training behind me, with no fitness in my previous life. I’m 48 now. I am carry a pretty serious amount of muscle mass compared to my peerage, but lets face it - thats not hard to do.
Up to 196lbs @ ~9% bf by caliper, scale claims 16% - I’m 5’9". People say I’m “beefy”, people have seem me with my shirt off and said “damn what happened to you? you’re all muscle”.
But let’s face it I’ll never look like a jacked 35 year old - at least I don’t think I will. Maybe dysmorphia. Just thought I’d muse about this here among those who understand what I mean. Hard to find a good compilation of 45-55 year old non-pro lifter images, here or elsewhere. And frankly most of the guys here in my age group have been lifting since they were teens or young guys, so having that base seems to have helped them. I suspect that I’ve been chronically Low T my whole life - enough to conceive easily enough but not high enough to carry any muscle mass. All of the changes to my physique started in 2012 - (18 months after I started lifting with no real progress) then I got on TRT and boom. The handful of cycles I’ve run subsequently have certainly helped.
I’ll pull out my man-poon now and quit whining like a little beyatch.
Take a look at this thread. This guy is %10 at 195. Do you look like that?
If you’re being called “beefy” you’re probably closer to %16 (or higher) than %9. I’m of the belief that the older you get, the later in life you’ve started training, the leaner you need to be in order to be impressive. Otherwise, you’re just another “beefy” old dude with some muscle that can only be seen with your shirt off.
Even on a cycle it’s tempting to keep eating because the scale is going up and your clothes are getting tighter, but it’s possible to overeat while juicing as well. If you have a gut or love handles, focus on losing that and getting shredded. Then you’ll look like a jacked 35 year old. Otherwise, your just another beefy middle aged dude.
The good news is, once you start to get definition in your delts, chest, etc you’ll look better than %99.999999 of your cohort.
I’m basically lower left photo on the thread. If my BF isn’t changing and my weight is going up then it stands to reason I’m putting on muscle. No gut, no handles.
If you look like the pic on the lower left, then you do look like a jacked 35 year old.
I don’t mean to quibble, but an increasing scale with no increase in BF means you’re increasing lean mass, not necessarily muscle. If I’m even in the same room as dbol, I’ll gain 9lbs of water weight.
I’d agree with the other poster that your test levels are low for 400mg/TProp a week. I’d want to see levels between 5x - 7x your weekly dosage and that would be using Tcyp or Tenth. TProp should have you even higher.
I disagree with your interpretation that your test levels are higher than Labcorp shows. The phrase “results confirmed upon dilution” refers to the testing protocol, it doesn’t mean they watered your shit down, then spit out a completely useless value. Labcorp will either cap your test results at >1500 or show you the actual number. The test you chose is obviously showing your actual lab result.
If I had to guess, I’d say your TProp is underdosed and would bump it up to 500mg/week which should put your T levels around 2300 which is more inline with where you actually would want them.
Thank you for your input. It’s appreciated. My dose on T-Prop is more along the lines of 300mg per week if you consider I’m doing shots e2d. There are those who’ve said I should increase the T in the cycle detailed above.
Thank you for the correction.
100mg e2d is the same as 350mg/week.
Conservatively, you should see TT levels between 1750 and 2450. Given you’re injecting e2d, I wouldn’t expect your troughs nor your peaks to be very far away from your tested level of 1796. I’d consider bumping the test, but it’s really personal choice since you’re running other compounds.
Let us know how you handle your E2. Are you suffering any symptoms of high e2? I get very weepy and my erections get wonky; as I get close to busting a nut, my erection starts to fade so it becomes a race.
Without symptoms of high E2 (bloating, moodiness, sexual dysfunction) I’d be inclined to believe that the TrenA is messing with the lab results. I agree that there’s a lot of controversy and bro-science surrounding that, but this is one area where I’d be more inclined to treat the symptoms rather than the labs.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Funny story I don’t think I’ve ever shared before.
I love the movie Requiem for a Dream and I watch it once every 18 months or so. There’s a scene in it towards the end where Jennifer Connelly is sharing a double headed dildo with another girl as they put on a show for a bunch of guys in suits. The scene has always been a turn-on because Jennifer Connelly and naked.
Anyways, last time I watched it was about 5 weeks after I started my most recent cycle. This time the movie is really profoundly affecting me and as it gets to the scene above I start tearing up. I just can’t believe how sad it is that Jennifer Connelly’s character has been reduced to putting on a sex show to fund her drug addiction; it was just so terribly sad.
A week later, I get my lab results and my E2 is in the 140s. I dump the RC source I was using for an AI and double up on my prescription TRT capsules. Three weeks later I watch the movie again and I’m back to thinking how great it would be to fuck Jennifer Connelly.
It was a very profound reminder that our emotions are simply the end result of some kind of organic soup of hormones.
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