Blast Coming Up. Opinions for Size/Strength, Avoid Fat Gain?

Pharma
1

Hey guys, I’m planning on running a blast in the next month or so and am gathering up supplies. I’ve done some mild cycles before and just recomped a bit and have had wonderful results (low dose test/tren/mast) with incremental changes in diet. This time I would like to put more size on, but I’d like to do it as cleanly as I can (dont we all?).

I’d like your guys thoughts on putting a blast together (I will be getting bloods done and also will going going back to cruise/trt after it ends with possible continuation of Hgh if benefit warrants cost).

Instead of just laying out a cycle plan, I’m going to list the compound and go from there, with rationale as to why, this way if you guys have an alternative suggestion I dont have much time vested in counter arguments lol.

Currently cruise/trt on Test C (ugl right now but will be getting script for pharma) I’ll either stay off for 2 weeks after last pin or bring in a small dose of AI (Adex) 3 days prior so the initial test dose doesnt bring up e2.

Base: Testosterone - planning on using propionate ester, 50-75mg per day. Mostly to keep the water retention and aromatisation low. I have both enanthate and cypionate as well, if there would be some unknown to me benefit.

Primary for mass: My plan is Anadrol, which I have not used before but have responded well to other DHT orals and I do not like (but I can handle) dbol sides at a moderate dosage of 50mg a day. Was planning 6 weeks at 100mg a day.

DHT derivative (optional?): I’v always included mast, either prop or enanthate in a cycle. Not high dose, 150mg of prop to 300mg of enanthate a week. Recommend another compound, or dosage?

Trenbolone (Nandrolone instead?): Small to medium dosage of tren, my body loves it, I get near zero sides (occasional sleeplessness). I dont notice the size increase as much as others, but it has filled me out a little, mostly the strength increase while on it I think is responsible however, allowing more work and recovery to be done. I’ve never tried nandrolone, and am willing to run NPP if there is a credible benefit over tren. But I know it will involve more AI management and potentially caber/prami (always just kept up on my b6 and b12, never had prolactin issue on tren).

Other: (?) I was considering DHB, however I have no experiance with it, was thinking to use it after the initial Adrol for the rest of blast.

HGH/Peptides: I’m planning on 5iu a day, split dose (once before bed, other will need to be determined). I got enough for 4 months currently, but will order more if results in the interim are favorable.

A big question was adding IGF1-LR3 and/or insulin? I don’t want to incur fat gain though, but is the additional hyperplasia going to justify a little extra fluff?

To keep the post from getting any bigger, other questions just ask. Thanks fellas!

2

If your body handles tren well then this is a no-brainer. No, it isn’t known as a mass-gainer, but your diet can overcome that if you don’t get the appetite issues that some others seem to have with tren.

As for a DHT, I would caution you about anadrol. Yes, it’s a DHT, but it doesn’t behave like one for every individual. Guys get bloat and mystery gyno on it, so just be cautious of that. Otherwise it looks very appealing. I’m prone to migraines, so drol is a no-fly-zone for me, unfortunately. But give it a shot and see what happens. (Perhaps start at 50/d to assess tolerance first, then elevate if needed)

If mast has done you well then I say there’s no need to reinvent the wheel. Go with what works and what doesn’t make you feel like shit.

DHB is interesting but I’ve never read a report that didn’t start out like “man I gained like crazy but the pip was crippling”. For me that sounds like a bad time. Maybe use EQ throughout instead? Since you’re cruising after you can afford to deal with the long lead time that EQ requires.

As far as GH/peptides/insulin goes I’m not terribly useful. I’d say @studhammer can give you some useful info on GH since he’s having great success with it currently.

2 Likes
3

Yes, Trenbolone seems to just ‘click’ with me, I have an idea as to why (potential androgen deficiency as a child is what my guess would be but that’s another topic) but regardless, my body tolerates it more than well.

I tried running a small but supposedly useful amount (200mg/week) of NPP once in addition to cruise dose of test, but wasnt looking to put on anything so much as to see if it would help in healing a sprained periformis that was causing me sciatica. My anecdotal review of that was, no it did not. At least not for the duration I used it (6 weeks). Even that amount though made it so I had to use an AI other my estrogen would creep up, obviously not an issue with tren. The other worry is the dreaded ‘deca dick’ and I know NPP is less susceptible to it, especially with a DHT compound in the mix, but it’s still in the back of my mind. Tren literally puts my libido on par with a horny, teenage hyena that lives alone on an island and has WiFi with a large TV and all his open tabs are adult sites lol

As far as PIP my body really doesn’t seem to have an negative reactions to any oils I’ve tried (GSO, MCT, EO along with BA/BB are all fine. Have not tried Gauiacol or water based that would contain polysorbate). Peptides with BAC water Sub-Q would leave the occasional bruise if it was still cold when administered. I pin pretty high concentration compounds as well, to save on vials and money (tren a I brew at 200mg/ml, prop 200mg/ml, mast p I dont brew but my source does 200mg/ml). I did a trial brew of 50mg/50mg per ml winny/dbol in straight EO with 20/2 BB/BA as a PWO, had to be heated to resolute each time, pinned with no PIP. So unless it’s something that universally ‘this WILL cause a lump’ I’m not to worried.

EQ did interest me, I was concerned being a test derivative though and potential for aromatisation but it’s supposed much less estrogenic than test. Main thing would be if the touted appetite increase was true for me, I can eat, but my job is taxing at 10 hours a day and I dont really have the opportunity for small meals throughout the day. Diet will be another concern (should I post that in a seperate section?) I’m not willing to cut carbs entirely but will be cycling them to try and balance out potential water retention from the GH and Drol.

As for the Drol, I have heard about it causing some weird sides that are estrogenic in nature despite not aromatising directly. So I’ll get some letrozole to keep on hand.

Advice on the GH and potentially the IGF1 and insulin is what’s intriguing me most right now as that will add much more complexity of timing pins (I have no qualms pinning everyday).

4

Nandrolone is a magical healing elixir, but it takes a lot longer than people think. I was on deca for eight weeks until I noticed anything and by week 14 it was a big change. But it’s a long process, even with a faster acting version like NPP. No matter how fast it gets into your system it takes time for collagen to start to synthesize at a rate that is noticeable.

1 Like
5

Thanks for your response, I appreciate the input. Oh and just to mention how I did get over the injury, after week 18 of what I would consider mild physical therapy (I was still lifting, just toned it down to less weight and more volume work) which pretty much involved adding more hardcore stretching, I figured out the solution.

The stretching would help tremendously, but by next morning it would always feel like I was back at square one especially if I had to sit for any long periods. So after a while and by some chance, I was able to get a hold of some methocarbamol (750mg tabs), decided to try a theory out and it worked flawlessly for me. I added in the same stretches I would do preworkout, just prior to bed (often this was post workout) and took the muscle relaxer then. Within 8 days, I was healed to were I no longer noticed any pain or tightness from normal activity.

My right leg hamstring and glute still tend to be tighter than the left, but preworkout stretching alone now puts me at full mobility in the gym and through out the day with no issues.

6

I think if you keep a good dose of Mast in there, you’ll be ok in terms of avoiding deca dick from NPP. I used it for about 2 weeks and the size gain on it was incredible. Just kept the test low and if I had added Var in, i think it would have been epic.

Personally, i handle tren well just like you. Having said that, the fullness i experienced on nandrolone was different to tren. I think each of those compounds give a look that is unique, i really dont think tren can produce lean tissue like nandrolone and nandrolone cannot give the razor sharp, dry vascular look that tren can.

SB

1 Like
7

Would you consider running both compounds? Maybe halving the dosages of each (tren a and npp)?

8

I never have but have thought about it. I thought if they both work so well, why not use both. I think 300 of each with 300 mast and 100 test would be very interesting.

From what I’ve gathered, with the test low enough prolactin shouldnt be an issue, the same with estrogen.

SB

9

I worry about running two 19-nors together. I’ve read some horror stories. I would be very cautious before pulling that trigger. Read a lot. Find some stories, positive and negative, before making any decision. It looks dicier than any other combination out there.

10

I’ve decided on tren a, the extra work of more AI and possibly needing prolactin counter measures steered me away from the NPP. Plus again, I’m familiar with how tren treats me, and it’s well.

I’m very much considering adding in EQ or DHB for once the Adrol is done.

As far as total cycle length, 12 weeks is my plan.

11

If you already have the GH, then I would suggest either 4 or 5 iu/daily. I’ve done the research on split dosages, night time vs daytime, etc. My first gh blast, I ran 5 iu/day at night right before bed and had great results but some significant sides too (mostly water retention and swelling in my feet and ankles). In my current blast, I’m running 4 iu/day for for 3 months, then dropping it to 3 iu/day for 3 months. I started taking it a night for about 2 months, then switched to mornings just to see if there was a difference. For me, the change did not result in anything negative and is hopefully not preventing my natural GH release at night. Also during this blast (like the previous) no huge changes are evident during the first 60 days but beginning int he 3rd month, fat loss begins and is pretty rapid. I’ve taken a pic at the beginning of each month and taken measurements too, while tracking weight. I plan on posting some thing next week. My current stats are height at 5’7", weight around 205 and tightening up pretty nicely. Getting vascular in chest and shoulders.

Edit: I should say that my beginning weight was 208 and now its 204 with a pretty significant increase in muscle mass and fat loss. To me, this is what makes GH stand out. I also have not significantly changed my diet, mostly just reducing the addiction to sweets.

1 Like
12

Yeah, that’s my planned dosage 5iu, was going to do 2.5iu twice a day. Once before bed and not sure on the other, most likely in the AM but I cant be feeling lethargic at work so that concerned me and was thinking maybe I should dose it mid evening preworkout.

Fat loss would be welcome but not primarily what I’m going for, though if I can not add any fat I’ll be stoked. Really only holding onto it in the ‘belly band’ and lower back.

The IGF1 I was planning on using either preworkout or post workout, potentially in conjunction with the dose of 2.5iu if preworkout along with some carbs. Insulin itself I’ve decided to avoid as it looks about impossible to not put on fat with the amount of GH I’ll be on.

13

I was afraid of this too, but the opposite is what happened. I’m much more alert in the mornings. Can’t explain it though.

I would not mess with a split dose. Try the morning upon waking and see how you feel.

Hint: pre-load your syringes. I personally re-constitute about 50 IU into 12 insulin pins and keep them in the fridge. After my shower, I grab a pin and take my shot.

Don’t forget that HGH is very fragile and once re-constituted, it needs to be kept refrigerated and stable. You can also freeze the powder until a few days before reconstitution.

14

I think I may just use NPP after all, EQ and DHB dont look like they are any less manageable as far as estrogen conversion and build/clear times will be longer as I’m planning on 12 weeks. And they dont seem to have as good a track record at putting on mass like nandrolone.

So proposed blast:
75mg Test P ED
75mg Tren A ED
50mg Mast P ED
50mg NPP ED
100mg Adrol ED split dose
5iu HGH split morning and evening
50mcg IGF1 LR3 post workout

15

Edit:
As far as E2 control, I’ve never needed an AI, always just kept raloxifene on hand but I’ve never ran more than 400mg a week of test and only tren and mast before. Water weight and BP has always been fine on blast.

I’ll get bloods done on this blast 2nd week in, but I’m thinking asin at 12.5 EOD or adex 1mg EOD to start?

For anecdotal numbers, on a cruise of 250mg/week of test cyp and 25mg dbol preworkout/evenings 1mg E3Ds of adex brought my E2 15 pg/ml which I was experiencing some low E sides.