Blast and Cruise Fertility Issues

Pharma / TRT
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I am considering basting and cruising for a couple of years. I turn 28 next year, and was thinking about blasting and cruising until I’m 30.

Thing is I’m worried about my future fertility. I know I won’t want kids for at least another 3 years (have talked this over with the mrs too and she agrees), but I will want them eventually.

It’s hard to get a definitive answer on whether or not B&C really affects your fertility. I’ve read a load of threads over at PM and some folk say it made them as sterile as a mule, whereas there’s other guys who have been on continuously for the last ten years and have had like five kids in that time.

Does anyone here have any experience with this? Or has anyone blasted and cruised for a couple of years then come off, and if so, how was your recovery?

Cheers

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Guys accidentally get their girlfriends pregnant while cycling all the time.

Men on TRT without HCG also manage to knock their bitches up.

It happens, but seems to be inconsistent between men. Two different guys can do the exact same thing and end up with different fertility results. There is no way that I am aware of to predict which camp you fall into.

I would suggest freezing sperm. if that is not feasible due to cost concerns, you should obviously take utmost care in your B&C’ing to maintain fertility by using HCG. HMG would be an option, but it prohbitiviely expensive for most, especially as an insurance policy. HMG might be more appropriate as an emergency procedure when, after 2 years of doing everything else right, you find yourself swimmer-deficient.

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yeah Balla you’ve pretty much confirmed what I already suspected.

HMG is not cheap! But it does seem to do a good job of restoring fertility, especially once AAS use has been discontinued.

I would most definitely use hCG on cycle, and I’ve heard good things about using 50mg of clomid eod.

I guess it’s just a lottery, however I may look into freezing sperm.

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I am considering basting and cruising for a couple of years. I turn 28 next year, and was thinking about blasting and cruising until I’m 30.

Thing is I’m worried about my future fertility. I know I won’t want kids for at least another 3 years (have talked this over with the mrs too and she agrees), but I will want them eventually.

It’s hard to get a definitive answer on whether or not B&C really affects your fertility. I’ve read a load of threads over at PM and some folk say it made them as sterile as a mule, whereas there’s other guys who have been on continuously for the last ten years and have had like five kids in that time.

Does anyone here have any experience with this? Or has anyone blasted and cruised for a couple of years then come off, and if so, how was your recovery?

Cheers[/quote]

Why not have your sperm frozen? Lot’s of men are doing it.The endocrinologist,or a longivity clinic are the only people that will allow b&c as it’s a bodybuilding protocal.Where did you learbn about the b&c routine.One good book you may enjoy is by a Urologist.His name is Morgentaler.I believe the book is called "the testosterone factor.He is very open minded and moreover will take your longterm health into consideration.I like when you include your spouse.you are being responsible.Im 53 and have used safely on and off for along time.

Also i have never had gyno and my system as a resul of moderation never was compromised.Steroids are safe and side affect free,but patients and moderation,plus regular blood testing,especially prior to your cycle.A lot of the new guy’s wont like this,but we didn’t have pct,but we tapered off and for the most part everything workout fine.But times have changed and better science has developed,but remember less is getter. all the best with your proposed family.johnny

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I doubt clomid will be of much help. I’ve seen guys taking it while on TRT and never seen it do anything to raise LH/FSH levels. You would probably have to take massive amounts to maybe get a response, but I have no idea what that amount would even be since 50 mg of clomid on 100 mg/week of test didn’t do jack shit.

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[quote]johnny k53 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I am considering basting and cruising for a couple of years. I turn 28 next year, and was thinking about blasting and cruising until I’m 30.

Thing is I’m worried about my future fertility. I know I won’t want kids for at least another 3 years (have talked this over with the mrs too and she agrees), but I will want them eventually.

It’s hard to get a definitive answer on whether or not B&C really affects your fertility. I’ve read a load of threads over at PM and some folk say it made them as sterile as a mule, whereas there’s other guys who have been on continuously for the last ten years and have had like five kids in that time.

Does anyone here have any experience with this? Or has anyone blasted and cruised for a couple of years then come off, and if so, how was your recovery?

Cheers[/quote]

Why not have your sperm frozen? Lot’s of men are doing it.The endocrinologist,or a longivity clinic are the only people that will allow b&c as it’s a bodybuilding protocal.Where did you learbn about the b&c routine.One good book you may enjoy is by a Urologist.His name is Morgentaler.I believe the book is called "the testosterone factor.He is very open minded and moreover will take your longterm health into consideration.I like when you include your spouse.you are being responsible.Im 53 and have used safely on and off for along time.

Also i have never had gyno and my system as a resul of moderation never was compromised.Steroids are safe and side affect free,but patients and moderation,plus regular blood testing,especially prior to your cycle.A lot of the new guy’s wont like this,but we didn’t have pct,but we tapered off and for the most part everything workout fine.But times have changed and better science has developed,but remember less is getter. all the best with your proposed family.johnny[/quote]

thanks for your input Johnny. I think looking into freezing sperm may be a good idea. Wanking into a cup does seem a little embarrassing though… lol.

Being in the UK, I can’t really choose to go to longevity clinics as we don’t really have them here, and if we did I can’t afford private healthcare anyway.

I’ll check out that book though man, thanks.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I doubt clomid will be of much help. I’ve seen guys taking it while on TRT and never seen it do anything to raise LH/FSH levels. You would probably have to take massive amounts to maybe get a response, but I have no idea what that amount would even be since 50 mg of clomid on 100 mg/week of test didn’t do jack shit.[/quote]

hmm maybe the clomid thing is just good ole broscience then. Lot of guy over on PM swear by 50mg eod though… I dunno.

I like to think that if I’m religious in my hCG use that I’ll be fine, but I haven’t been able to alleviate my doubts.

Hmmm.

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]johnny k53 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I am considering basting and cruising for a couple of years. I turn 28 next year, and was thinking about blasting and cruising until I’m 30.

Thing is I’m worried about my future fertility. I know I won’t want kids for at least another 3 years (have talked this over with the mrs too and she agrees), but I will want them eventually.

It’s hard to get a definitive answer on whether or not B&C really affects your fertility. I’ve read a load of threads over at PM and some folk say it made them as sterile as a mule, whereas there’s other guys who have been on continuously for the last ten years and have had like five kids in that time.

Does anyone here have any experience with this? Or has anyone blasted and cruised for a couple of years then come off, and if so, how was your recovery?

Cheers[/quote]

Why not have your sperm frozen? Lot’s of men are doing it.The endocrinologist,or a longivity clinic are the only people that will allow b&c as it’s a bodybuilding protocal.Where did you learbn about the b&c routine.One good book you may enjoy is by a Urologist.His name is Morgentaler.I believe the book is called "the testosterone factor.He is very open minded and moreover will take your longterm health into consideration.I like when you include your spouse.you are being responsible.Im 53 and have used safely on and off for along time.

Also i have never had gyno and my system as a resul of moderation never was compromised.Steroids are safe and side affect free,but patients and moderation,plus regular blood testing,especially prior to your cycle.A lot of the new guy’s wont like this,but we didn’t have pct,but we tapered off and for the most part everything workout fine.But times have changed and better science has developed,but remember less is getter. all the best with your proposed family.johnny[/quote]

thanks for your input Johnny. I think looking into freezing sperm may be a good idea. Wanking into a cup does seem a little embarrassing though… lol.

Being in the UK, I can’t really choose to go to longevity clinics as we don’t really have them here, and if we did I can’t afford private healthcare anyway.

I’ll check out that book though man, thanks.[/quote]
My Friend:In Toronto there was this pharmacist that told me about this dr. that Rx-HGH to his patient’s with $$Money.Greedy Boy that he is!!! I think he wanted an initiation-feeof $1500.00 and you got a script and a course on how to Mix the hgh .There was a special pen that the manufacturer supplied.

One Thing and this is really Important!!! He said (gently mix your hgh and the provided bacteriolstic water) He said shaking will destroy,or damage the molecular structure of the product.Because,ive seen people shake the shit out of the constituted mixture. Even if this is not the truth,why take a chance,as rx Humatrope@ 6mg’s in the 1990ty’s was $468.00 at the pharmacy.

I went to see this dr. and gave him $500.00 cash and he wrote me a year’s worth of hgh.I got 4-boxes for a monthat $468.00x4 that’s what $1772.00.That’s Big money.I have Private Insurance,if i didn’t,i could’nt afford ot,even the UGL"S isn’t cheap.Also it might not be hgh???Im Closing yes bro,think about a family.I never had kid’s and at 53 i envy men that have children.Envy in a good way. Your a good man. johnny

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What are you planning to do after 30?

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[quote]vette6 wrote:
What are you planning to do after 30?[/quote]

live out my days as a beefcake

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I know this is an extremely old post, what happened with your decision about B&C rds?

SB

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He still runs PCT’s I believe.

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Hey SB, I was rds in another life in case you didn’t know that already…

I still PCT, and honestly I’m about done with my steroid journey for now.

Next year I’m going to run three 4 week prop/dbol cycles and that’ll be that (I get like 80% of my gains from a long cycle in the first 4 weeks anyway, so I’m going to give short cycles a bash). My girlfriend is talking in very serious terms about having a kid within the next few years. Once I’ve 2 youngsters of my own I’ll be getting the snip and then blasting and cruising like fuck! Until then, one more year doing little tiny, easy to recover from cycles, then off for as long as it takes to get the mrs knocked up a couple of times.

Are you still natty?

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
Hey SB, I was rds in another life in case you didn’t know that already…

I still PCT, and honestly I’m about done with my steroid journey for now.

Next year I’m going to run three 4 week prop/dbol cycles and that’ll be that (I get like 80% of my gains from a long cycle in the first 4 weeks anyway, so I’m going to give short cycles a bash). My girlfriend is talking in very serious terms about having a kid within the next few years. Once I’ve 2 youngsters of my own I’ll be getting the snip and then blasting and cruising like fuck! Until then, one more year doing little tiny, easy to recover from cycles, then off for as long as it takes to get the mrs knocked up a couple of times.

Are you still natty?
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If you intend to blast and cruise eventually, why not just do it now and use hcg?

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
Hey SB, I was rds in another life in case you didn’t know that already…

I still PCT, and honestly I’m about done with my steroid journey for now.

Next year I’m going to run three 4 week prop/dbol cycles and that’ll be that (I get like 80% of my gains from a long cycle in the first 4 weeks anyway, so I’m going to give short cycles a bash). My girlfriend is talking in very serious terms about having a kid within the next few years. Once I’ve 2 youngsters of my own I’ll be getting the snip and then blasting and cruising like fuck! Until then, one more year doing little tiny, easy to recover from cycles, then off for as long as it takes to get the mrs knocked up a couple of times.

Are you still natty?
[/quote]
If you intend to blast and cruise eventually, why not just do it now and use hcg?[/quote]

still too much of a risk, in my mind. When trying to get the mrs knocked up I want my body to be firing on all cylinders naturally and not be trying to medicate myself. Just seems like it’d be more likely to succeed that way.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
Hey SB, I was rds in another life in case you didn’t know that already…

I still PCT, and honestly I’m about done with my steroid journey for now.

Next year I’m going to run three 4 week prop/dbol cycles and that’ll be that (I get like 80% of my gains from a long cycle in the first 4 weeks anyway, so I’m going to give short cycles a bash). My girlfriend is talking in very serious terms about having a kid within the next few years. Once I’ve 2 youngsters of my own I’ll be getting the snip and then blasting and cruising like fuck! Until then, one more year doing little tiny, easy to recover from cycles, then off for as long as it takes to get the mrs knocked up a couple of times.

Are you still natty?
[/quote]

Yeah man I knew you were Yogi I just didn’t want to call you out in case you didn’t want that connection to be made.
Good to hear from you. I’m glad you made an informed decision on the fertility side of things.

I am still natty, been natty since my last posts here a few years ago. I did a physique show this year in May. Since then I’ve gone vegan (don’t judge me lol) and my natty test levels have had a slight boost (confirmed by bloods).

But I’m getting that itch, that itch I get every so often to want to hit a cycle. Just in 2 minds about it, I know now that the taper method is definitely the way I’d go IF I was to come off. Just unsure if its the best thing to do.

SB

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

still too much of a risk, in my mind. When trying to get the mrs knocked up I want my body to be firing on all cylinders naturally and not be trying to medicate myself. Just seems like it’d be more likely to succeed that way.[/quote]

Definitely agreed. Remain clean till you’ve had your kids man. Unless you want to increase your chances of having a girl then think about the B&C/hCG route (as this is a trend I have seen, mainly girls conceived on cycle/after PCT).

SB

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[quote]Ross_AlanUSN10 wrote:
Would you still consider the taper method if you were to run a cycle? And not Blast and cruise for a while?

Or would you do a standard PCT of Nolva or clomid?

I read your entire log on your stasis taper and I’m happy to hear it was successful. I’m just curious if you would recommend it to anyone coming off a cycle or only coming off of B&C?

Ross
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I would definitely do a taper. I don’t think I would ever go back to the cold turkey/SERM PCT again. Its just too much of a drop in androgen levels IMO. But it would also depend on the duration of suppression, eg a taper off wouldn’t make sense on the 2-weeker cycles.

SB

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I know this is an old post but I feel like I need to give U my experience.
I’m 4 years married and I love my wife. After 2 years married I decided to compete and I did my first show all natural, but it was frustrating to see all that guys more muscular than me. And I did all the diet, all the training like an animal. After my first show I started a cycle to compete again, and I told to my girl and my parents all the drugs I was going to use and all the protection and how to prevent every side effect I could. After my second show, when I got 4 place in state competition, I decided to B & C and told my wife again, explained everything I wanted to do and won my 3º show.

Then, my wife started to talk about having a child and we are trying till now, I stoped with competition, lost my 3 sponsors, and I’m doing HCG for the last 5 months. I’ve been using steroids for 1,5 or maybe 2 years non stop, and right now, I’m doing somewhere around 250mg test per week with HCG. I may be infertile, I don’t know. But the worst part of it, THE WORST is… you’ll feel guilty for your inability of having kids, and maybe, if your girl isn’t OK with all you’ve done, she’ll make you feel worst than ever. If you really love your wife, sometimes you’ll feel like the worst person on the planet.

I’m doing fertility treatment with my doc, but the feeling of guilty wont pass, and I’m dealing with this right now. Just be carefull with your choices and remember that, all can change, everything around you, your thoughts, your objectives and to use steroids need to be something really honest with you and people depending on you, and your future.

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

still too much of a risk, in my mind. When trying to get the mrs knocked up I want my body to be firing on all cylinders naturally and not be trying to medicate myself. Just seems like it’d be more likely to succeed that way.[/quote]

Definitely agreed. Remain clean till you’ve had your kids man. Unless you want to increase your chances of having a girl then think about the B&C/hCG route (as this is a trend I have seen, mainly girls conceived on cycle/after PCT).

SB[/quote]

yeah that’s what I was thinking. My plan is next year to do 3 nice and easy to recover from 4 week cycles with prop just for a little boost every now and then, and then come off completely. I’ll have bloodwork done to see where I’m at but I think I’ll be ok.

Funny you mention that about the having a girl thing - I’ve noticed that too and I told my girlfriend about it. She was DELIGHTED! Haha