Blast and Cruise Fertility Issues

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Ross_AlanUSN10 wrote:
Would you still consider the taper method if you were to run a cycle? And not Blast and cruise for a while?

Or would you do a standard PCT of Nolva or clomid?

I read your entire log on your stasis taper and I’m happy to hear it was successful. I’m just curious if you would recommend it to anyone coming off a cycle or only coming off of B&C?

Ross
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I would definitely do a taper. I don’t think I would ever go back to the cold turkey/SERM PCT again. Its just too much of a drop in androgen levels IMO. But it would also depend on the duration of suppression, eg a taper off wouldn’t make sense on the 2-weeker cycles.

SB[/quote]

I taper off long esters. SB’s thread totally convinced me

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[quote]Thiago Monteiro wrote:
Then, my wife started to talk about having a child and we are trying till now, I stoped with competition, lost my 3 sponsors, and I’m doing HCG for the last 5 months. I’ve been using steroids for 1,5 or maybe 2 years non stop, and right now, I’m doing somewhere around 250mg test per week with HCG. I may be infertile, I don’t know. But the worst part of it, THE WORST is… you’ll feel guilty for your inability of having kids, and maybe, if your girl isn’t OK with all you’ve done, she’ll make you feel worst than ever. If you really love your wife, sometimes you’ll feel like the worst person on the planet.

I’m doing fertility treatment with my doc, but the feeling of guilty wont pass, and I’m dealing with this right now. Just be carefull with your choices and remember that, all can change, everything around you, your thoughts, your objectives and to use steroids need to be something really honest with you and people depending on you, and your future.
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mate this is exactly the situation that scares me. I sincerely hope it all works out for you.

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I started my first run 2 months after my son was born. I can totally understand this mentality.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

yeah that’s what I was thinking. My plan is next year to do 3 nice and easy to recover from 4 week cycles with prop just for a little boost every now and then, and then come off completely. I’ll have bloodwork done to see where I’m at but I think I’ll be ok.

Funny you mention that about the having a girl thing - I’ve noticed that too and I told my girlfriend about it. She was DELIGHTED! Haha[/quote]

Have considered peptide only cycles or BBB’s HGH protocol for little boosts instead of messing with the HPTA to so close to having kids?

SB

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[quote]Thiago Monteiro wrote:
I know this is an old post but I feel like I need to give U my experience.
I’m 4 years married and I love my wife. After 2 years married I decided to compete and I did my first show all natural, but it was frustrating to see all that guys more muscular than me. And I did all the diet, all the training like an animal. After my first show I started a cycle to compete again, and I told to my girl and my parents all the drugs I was going to use and all the protection and how to prevent every side effect I could. After my second show, when I got 4 place in state competition, I decided to B & C and told my wife again, explained everything I wanted to do and won my 3º show.

Then, my wife started to talk about having a child and we are trying till now, I stoped with competition, lost my 3 sponsors, and I’m doing HCG for the last 5 months. I’ve been using steroids for 1,5 or maybe 2 years non stop, and right now, I’m doing somewhere around 250mg test per week with HCG. I may be infertile, I don’t know. But the worst part of it, THE WORST is… you’ll feel guilty for your inability of having kids, and maybe, if your girl isn’t OK with all you’ve done, she’ll make you feel worst than ever. If you really love your wife, sometimes you’ll feel like the worst person on the planet.

I’m doing fertility treatment with my doc, but the feeling of guilty wont pass, and I’m dealing with this right now. Just be carefull with your choices and remember that, all can change, everything around you, your thoughts, your objectives and to use steroids need to be something really honest with you and people depending on you, and your future.
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Man this couldn’t have come at a better time. Thank you so much for sharing and I really hope things work out for you man. Make sure you keep taking bloods and even try unconventional methods (eg. ayurvedic natural remedies etc) to promote fertility. A guy in my gym was B&C for a while and could not conceive so he went to India and got natural treatment, now he has a… drumroll… DAUGHTER :slight_smile:

SB

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[quote]Ross_AlanUSN10 wrote:
Honesty it really convinced me as well, to me it makes logical sense. And seems to have been the norm around here a few years ago. But now if you mention a taper people seem to bash it and say it’s pointless and no use. Maybe I should clarify STASIS-Taper But they most likely have never tried it. Or read SBs recovery log or anyone’s else’s experience with it for that matter.

Sorry to change the topic of the thread. But it is applicable to people concerned with fertility and perhaps a way for them to try to get they’re balls rolling again no pun intended* ok maybe a little.

-Ross
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Glad you were convinced by the taper Ross. It now seems foolish to me how people would think it is feasible to drop from androgen levels amplified almost thousand times over normal to zero and let the HPTA deal with it and not feel like shit.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Thiago Monteiro wrote:
I know this is an old post but I feel like I need to give U my experience.
I’m 4 years married and I love my wife. After 2 years married I decided to compete and I did my first show all natural, but it was frustrating to see all that guys more muscular than me. And I did all the diet, all the training like an animal. After my first show I started a cycle to compete again, and I told to my girl and my parents all the drugs I was going to use and all the protection and how to prevent every side effect I could. After my second show, when I got 4 place in state competition, I decided to B & C and told my wife again, explained everything I wanted to do and won my 3Ã?º show.

Then, my wife started to talk about having a child and we are trying till now, I stoped with competition, lost my 3 sponsors, and I’m doing HCG for the last 5 months. I’ve been using steroids for 1,5 or maybe 2 years non stop, and right now, I’m doing somewhere around 250mg test per week with HCG. I may be infertile, I don’t know. But the worst part of it, THE WORST is… you’ll feel guilty for your inability of having kids, and maybe, if your girl isn’t OK with all you’ve done, she’ll make you feel worst than ever. If you really love your wife, sometimes you’ll feel like the worst person on the planet.

I’m doing fertility treatment with my doc, but the feeling of guilty wont pass, and I’m dealing with this right now. Just be carefull with your choices and remember that, all can change, everything around you, your thoughts, your objectives and to use steroids need to be something really honest with you and people depending on you, and your future.
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Man this couldn’t have come at a better time. Thank you so much for sharing and I really hope things work out for you man. Make sure you keep taking bloods and even try unconventional methods (eg. ayurvedic natural remedies etc) to promote fertility. A guy in my gym was B&C for a while and could not conceive so he went to India and got natural treatment, now he has a… drumroll… DAUGHTER :slight_smile:

SB[/quote]

I’ll add that these things don’t always happen immediately, obviously. My child was conceived before I even touched steroids, and it still took 6 months to make it happen. I have friends that have tried for over a year before having success. Don’t worry too much about it for now.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

I’ll add that these things don’t always happen immediately, obviously. My child was conceived before I even touched steroids, and it still took 6 months to make it happen. I have friends that have tried for over a year before having success. Don’t worry too much about it for now.
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Sorry flip I didn’t quite get the point you were making. Did you mean don’t worry about it for now and go ahead with B&C or were you talking to the guy having fertility problems?

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

I’ll add that these things don’t always happen immediately, obviously. My child was conceived before I even touched steroids, and it still took 6 months to make it happen. I have friends that have tried for over a year before having success. Don’t worry too much about it for now.
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Sorry flip I didn’t quite get the point you were making. Did you mean don’t worry about it for now and go ahead with B&C or were you talking to the guy having fertility problems?

SB[/quote]

sorry, I should have just quoted Thiago. I was just saying that there’s no reason to assume infertility when he’s only been trying to have a kid for a few months.

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Thiago Monteiro wrote:
I know this is an old post but I feel like I need to give U my experience.
I’m 4 years married and I love my wife. After 2 years married I decided to compete and I did my first show all natural, but it was frustrating to see all that guys more muscular than me. And I did all the diet, all the training like an animal. After my first show I started a cycle to compete again, and I told to my girl and my parents all the drugs I was going to use and all the protection and how to prevent every side effect I could. After my second show, when I got 4 place in state competition, I decided to B & C and told my wife again, explained everything I wanted to do and won my 3Ã?º show.

Then, my wife started to talk about having a child and we are trying till now, I stoped with competition, lost my 3 sponsors, and I’m doing HCG for the last 5 months. I’ve been using steroids for 1,5 or maybe 2 years non stop, and right now, I’m doing somewhere around 250mg test per week with HCG. I may be infertile, I don’t know. But the worst part of it, THE WORST is… you’ll feel guilty for your inability of having kids, and maybe, if your girl isn’t OK with all you’ve done, she’ll make you feel worst than ever. If you really love your wife, sometimes you’ll feel like the worst person on the planet.

I’m doing fertility treatment with my doc, but the feeling of guilty wont pass, and I’m dealing with this right now. Just be carefull with your choices and remember that, all can change, everything around you, your thoughts, your objectives and to use steroids need to be something really honest with you and people depending on you, and your future.
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Man this couldn’t have come at a better time. Thank you so much for sharing and I really hope things work out for you man. Make sure you keep taking bloods and even try unconventional methods (eg. ayurvedic natural remedies etc) to promote fertility. A guy in my gym was B&C for a while and could not conceive so he went to India and got natural treatment, now he has a… drumroll… DAUGHTER :slight_smile:

SB[/quote]

Thanks man! India, they must have some kind of magic natural treatment there! Nice to read some good news like this.

I don’t know if this is the right place for doing this, but I just got a exam from my wife, and I’m curious about it. She got a high level of prolactin, 26ng/ ml and the range is 4 to 27, so she is not out of the range but I really think this is something to worry about, just because high prolactin can cause infertility in woman. Her doc told her the exam is OK… but I don’t think so. Someone with experience can talk about it? Sorry for talking out of topic man…