Blackwater Snipers Kill Enemies

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
lixy wrote:
lixy wrote:
How are followers of Al-Sadr “enemies”? 'Cause your superior says so?

Grow up! Americans invaded Iraq, not the other way around.

Usually people that shoot at each other would consider the other party an “enemy” regardless of who invaded who

Fair point. But you have to admit that talking about how “awesome” it is to shoot at people defending themselves, is twisted. There was a American state-sponsored poll conducted in 2004 which revealed 64% of Iraqis supporting Al-Sadr and his movement.

So please temper your excitement. Blackwater is a company owned by a religious nutjob recruiting ruthless people selling their services (soul?) to the highest bidder. They don’t require active duty, but it always looks good a CV. They recruit people all over the world (South America, Asia, etc.) The company boasts the enrollment of some of the most infamous Pinochean death squads (among others).

I highly recommend the following reading:

http://www.blackwaterbook.com/

Can’t figure out why this is coming off as a quote so I put some spaces.

I still think its awesome. Putting yourself in a situation to me where you have to use problem solving skills, and physical abilities to survive is to me… well, awesome.

I agree that my view is pretty twisted, so you do have a point. But to me its the environment, the energy that accompanies the situation which is “awesome”. Being part of a force that is feared around the world, and regarded as some of the most skillful (although ruthless) soldiers to me is “awesome” [/quote]

You have to put a space between the “quote” thingy and the link if there is one.

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[quote]Tallguyy76 wrote:
Do you have any friends in the military? Have you spoken any guys you have been in combat? I think you’ll find that the experience is a lot different then you think.

It’s not all about going around shooting A’rabs and blowing shit up. It is a lot of tedium and downtime intermixed with usually brief periods of action. If your lower enlisted you’ll spend a lot more of your time digging ditches and doing odd jobs more then anything else.

Hope you like disposing of other people waste? Not to mention all the shit you are going to have to put up from clueless lieutenants and NCO’s who earned their stripes from going to boards. Serving is one of the proudest things I’ve done but be prepared for not so great things that come with.

You sound like you are attracted to the glory and honor and what not of combat. That is a myth. Combat is all about controlled chaos. I was in the military in peace time but the one thing I learned from the vets and through training is that you don’t rise to the occasion and go Rambo on someone under stress you fall to to the level of your training.

Can you maintain your ability to carry out your mission when your tired, sore, sleep deprived, hungry, pumped full of adrenaline? It’s all about discipline. Anyone can perform under good conditions but can you when shit hits the fan and your dog tired.

It’s not personal motivations like being awsomes awsome or badass that keeps you going it’s what the Army calls esprit de corp. It’s the idea that no matter what you cannot let down the people around you. This is what the military instills in you from day one. I didn’t even particularly like some people in my unit but damn if I’d let them down. This is the genius of western military discipline.

Are you aware of the selection process for special forces? Those guys are the elite of the elite of people serving. It may seem easy looking from the outside looking in but even among the elite the completion rate for SEALS is something like 30 percent (out of me memory and out of my ass).

I’m sure you look at these shows on the History Channel or the Military Channel and think I could do that but much like watching pro sports on TV you don’t actually realize the actual intensity until you are there.

Basic is physically farley easy considering that you are in decent cardiovascular shape but some of the more advanced schools require great dedication and discipline. They are not looking for killing machines as the mission of many special forces is not open combat but reconnaissance in nature. These guys are the best of the best mentally as well as physically. Most tend to be older and educated.

Anyways good luck with your goals. Just be prepared for what you will face and keep an open mind. Don’t worry overly much about firearms training.

I hadn’t fired a weapon before joining the military and I never had a problem qualifying. You’ll get plenty of training there. My one concern is your motives. You need to think about what it means to take someone else’s life. I was in an MLRS unit which means that if I hit a button hundreds could die. Never had to do it for real but it’s not something to take lightly.

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Damn good post, Tallguy.

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yeah awesome! let’s shoot at people who are trying to get us to stop our illegal invasion of their country and hate us with perfectly good reason.

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[quote]Tallguyy76 wrote:
Do you have any friends in the military? Have you spoken any guys you have been in combat? I think you’ll find that the experience is a lot different then you think.

It’s not all about going around shooting A’rabs and blowing shit up. It is a lot of tedium and downtime intermixed with usually brief periods of action. If your lower enlisted you’ll spend a lot more of your time digging ditches and doing odd jobs more then anything else.

Hope you like disposing of other people waste? Not to mention all the shit you are going to have to put up from clueless lieutenants and NCO’s who earned their stripes from going to boards. Serving is one of the proudest things I’ve done but be prepared for not so great things that come with.

You sound like you are attracted to the glory and honor and what not of combat. That is a myth. Combat is all about controlled chaos. I was in the military in peace time but the one thing I learned from the vets and through training is that you don’t rise to the occasion and go Rambo on someone under stress you fall to to the level of your training.

Can you maintain your ability to carry out your mission when your tired, sore, sleep deprived, hungry, pumped full of adrenaline? It’s all about discipline. Anyone can perform under good conditions but can you when shit hits the fan and your dog tired.

It’s not personal motivations like being awsomes awsome or badass that keeps you going it’s what the Army calls esprit de corp. It’s the idea that no matter what you cannot let down the people around you. This is what the military instills in you from day one. I didn’t even particularly like some people in my unit but damn if I’d let them down. This is the genius of western military discipline.

Are you aware of the selection process for special forces? Those guys are the elite of the elite of people serving. It may seem easy looking from the outside looking in but even among the elite the completion rate for SEALS is something like 30 percent (out of me memory and out of my ass).

I’m sure you look at these shows on the History Channel or the Military Channel and think I could do that but much like watching pro sports on TV you don’t actually realize the actual intensity until you are there.

Basic is physically farley easy considering that you are in decent cardiovascular shape but some of the more advanced schools require great dedication and discipline. They are not looking for killing machines as the mission of many special forces is not open combat but reconnaissance in nature. These guys are the best of the best mentally as well as physically. Most tend to be older and educated.

Anyways good luck with your goals. Just be prepared for what you will face and keep an open mind. Don’t worry overly much about firearms training.

I hadn’t fired a weapon before joining the military and I never had a problem qualifying. You’ll get plenty of training there. My one concern is your motives. You need to think about what it means to take someone else’s life. I was in an MLRS unit which means that if I hit a button hundreds could die. Never had to do it for real but it’s not something to take lightly.

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Thanks for this post, it was a good one. I think you put it very well with the “controlled chaos” phrase. That sums up what kind of job I would like to have, one that controls the chaos.

Of course I don’t expect it to be 100% sitting on a building and shooting at people. There will be plenty of grunt work as with any other job.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
makkun wrote:
I fail to see what’s cool about killing people.

Makkun

Intentionally taking another man’s life is probably exhilarating.[/quote]

Watching it on youtube seems to do the trick already.

Makkun

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I thought this video was much better;

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Wasting Americans’ tax dollars on privatized “security” is not awesome. Isn’t that why we have an elite voluntary military?

Oh… you’re 16, Defekt?

That explains it. You probably still play with a GI Joe.

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If Defekt wants to join the military, so be it. It just means less people I know and care about have to put their ass in the line of fire.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Defekt wrote:
hunterthompson wrote:

dude you’re 16. you’re outlook on life will probably be completely different five years from now. hell probably 2 years from now. so you do have a lot of growing up to do.

I realize this. I’ve been wanting to join the military since I was 5. The only reason I can see myself changing my mind is if I have a really good reason to stay here, ie: wife and kids, when the time comes around. If thats the case I’ll probably look into becoming a police officer, or a similar job that doesn’t require going overseas. I can’t see myself working an office job, ever really.

Waffling already.

You’re an idiot. [/quote]

You’re what 18? And you’re calling people idiots.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
That sums up what kind of job I would like to have, one that controls the chaos.
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Clearly, you don’t understand what he wrote. You are not listening.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Defekt wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Defekt wrote:
hunterthompson wrote:

dude you’re 16. you’re outlook on life will probably be completely different five years from now. hell probably 2 years from now. so you do have a lot of growing up to do.

I realize this. I’ve been wanting to join the military since I was 5. The only reason I can see myself changing my mind is if I have a really good reason to stay here, ie: wife and kids, when the time comes around. If thats the case I’ll probably look into becoming a police officer, or a similar job that doesn’t require going overseas. I can’t see myself working an office job, ever really.

Waffling already.

You’re an idiot.

You’re what 18? And you’re calling people idiots.

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Worse - 16. I have t-shirts older than him. He’s been capable of independent thought for 3 years and he’s already figured out he’s a “natural born killer”.

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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Defekt wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Defekt wrote:
hunterthompson wrote:

dude you’re 16. you’re outlook on life will probably be completely different five years from now. hell probably 2 years from now. so you do have a lot of growing up to do.

I realize this. I’ve been wanting to join the military since I was 5. The only reason I can see myself changing my mind is if I have a really good reason to stay here, ie: wife and kids, when the time comes around. If thats the case I’ll probably look into becoming a police officer, or a similar job that doesn’t require going overseas. I can’t see myself working an office job, ever really.

Waffling already.

You’re an idiot.

You’re what 18? And you’re calling people idiots.

Worse - 16. I have t-shirts older than him. He’s been capable of independent thought for 3 years and he’s already figured out he’s a “natural born killer”.

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So he wants to be a bad ass Green Beret or get hired on at Blackwater at 16, can’t shoot, but he knows he’s a killing machine? I bet bet my 13 year old daughter can shoot better than him now. At 90 or so pounds. I took her and my son to the range a few months ago and she shot a fist sized group from 25 yards in the target with open sights.

Shooting is difficult and he’s not going to learn anything until he gets instruction, which of course the army will give him. But this is no guarantee he’s a sniper. Or a strategist. Blackwater and such doesn’t give out 125K+ salaries to just guys off the street. Arab sheiks don’t pay 500K+ a year to bodyguards for the hell of it. They give that money to people who have done it and proven it.

Until further notice, he’s more likely to piss himself at the sound of gunshots than turn into Rambo.

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Let me see…

I am a member of the US Army Special Forces (just establishing my own background, qualification and frame of reference to respond to this)…

At this very moment I am at Fort Benning training Infantry Privates (turning civilians into Infantrymen)…

The kid who started this thread sounds like any one of the 200+ soon-to-be Soldiers that start training here every week…

Almost NONE of them ever make it into the Rangers (about 3%), Special Forces (about 1%)…

It’s all about mindset, and based on the posts, homeboy just ain’t got it. I wouldn’t have a guy like that on my SF Team, too much of a liability.

Blackwater is a whole other animal… to get the highest paying jobs with them, you better be coming from at least a SEAL team or Ranger Battalion. Most likely if you are at thier top rung you come from Special Forces or other even more elite and specialized units. If you don’t have that type of background (which takes about 15 years in the military to achieve), you are a gate guard at best.

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End of thread.

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:

End of thread.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
Let me see…

I am a member of the US Army Special Forces (just establishing my own background, qualification and frame of reference to respond to this)…

At this very moment I am at Fort Benning training Infantry Privates (turning civilians into Infantrymen)…

The kid who started this thread sounds like any one of the 200+ soon-to-be Soldiers that start training here every week…

Almost NONE of them ever make it into the Rangers (about 3%), Special Forces (about 1%)…

It’s all about mindset, and based on the posts, homeboy just ain’t got it. I wouldn’t have a guy like that on my SF Team, too much of a liability.

Blackwater is a whole other animal… to get the highest paying jobs with them, you better be coming from at least a SEAL team or Ranger Battalion. Most likely if you are at thier top rung you come from Special Forces or other even more elite and specialized units. If you don’t have that type of background (which takes about 15 years in the military to achieve), you are a gate guard at best.[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:

Blackwater is a whole other animal… to get the highest paying jobs with them, you better be coming from at least a SEAL team or Ranger Battalion.

Most likely if you are at thier top rung you come from Special Forces or other even more elite and specialized units. If you don’t have that type of background (which takes about 15 years in the military to achieve), you are a gate guard at best. [/quote]

Thats how I thought it was originally, but other posters had said differently.

As for “having it” nothing i say here can prove or disprove this, I won’t be responding to any more posts telling me I’m an idiot, or mocking me for wanting a military job, or setting my goals high.

I never said I thought it would be easy, I never said I thought was going to join blackwater tomorrow and start blowing up A-rabs.

Its amusing that when all you have is a few posts of me asking questions about how one gets in, saying I like something, and saying why I like it, that you can make the judgement that I’ll fall apart instantly.

This will be my last post here, unless anyone has anything useful to say, preferably about the process that you go through to get a top tier job like this. None of you are aware of what I can, and can’t do, thus your opinions mean shit to me. If your post is informational in nature I will still regard it.

[quote]jmarshburn wrote:

The kid who started this thread sounds like any one of the 200+ soon-to-be Soldiers that start training here every week… [/quote]

Everyone goes into basic with the same mindset, a few of them make it to the top. If anything these were words of encouragement, letting me know that I have to try my ass off for the time I am on active duty.

Out of those 200, maybe one will make it to special forces, personally I think I’m that one. Obviously I have done nothing to show you this, and there is nothing I can do to show you this.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
jmarshburn wrote:

Blackwater is a whole other animal… to get the highest paying jobs with them, you better be coming from at least a SEAL team or Ranger Battalion.

Most likely if you are at thier top rung you come from Special Forces or other even more elite and specialized units. If you don’t have that type of background (which takes about 15 years in the military to achieve), you are a gate guard at best.

Thats how I thought it was originally, but other posters had said differently.

As for “having it” nothing i say here can prove or disprove this, I won’t be responding to any more posts telling me I’m an idiot, or mocking me for wanting a military job, or setting my goals high.

I never said I thought it would be easy, I never said I thought was going to join blackwater tomorrow and start blowing up A-rabs. Its amusing that when all you have is a few posts of me asking questions about how one gets in, saying I like something, and saying why I like it, that you can make the judgement that I’ll fall apart instantly.

This will be my last post here, unless anyone has anything useful to say, preferably about the process that you go through to get a top tier job like this. None of you are aware of what I can, and can’t do, thus your opinions mean shit to me. If your post is informational in nature I will still regard it. [/quote]

Drop the cocky attitude, I have kids just a year and three years younger than you. I’m very familiar with the " Yeah I know it’s gonna be tough line." You don’t have any idea how tough it will be. You mentioned shooting a little. Did you ever hunt?

Try sitting still in a tree when it’s 20 or so out for a few hours. It’s fun, but it sucks. And that would be a very easy day as a seal or Green Beret. I’m not saying you can’t do it, but it will be hard. It will be hard if you’re some hot shot, let alone some guy.

What are your grades like? Snipers and special forces types usually have high intelligence. You can’t be a dumbass and do that stuff.

Try it if you like, but drop the attitude. It’s like asking how to be a number one draft pick in the NFL. We can tell you how to do it, but it’s still almost impossible.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Defekt wrote:
jmarshburn wrote:

Blackwater is a whole other animal… to get the highest paying jobs with them, you better be coming from at least a SEAL team or Ranger Battalion. Most likely if you are at thier top rung you come from Special Forces or other even more elite and specialized units. If you don’t have that type of background (which takes about 15 years in the military to achieve), you are a gate guard at best.

Thats how I thought it was originally, but other posters had said differently.

As for “having it” nothing i say here can prove or disprove this, I won’t be responding to any more posts telling me I’m an idiot, or mocking me for wanting a military job, or setting my goals high.

I never said I thought it would be easy, I never said I thought was going to join blackwater tomorrow and start blowing up A-rabs. Its amusing that when all you have is a few posts of me asking questions about how one gets in, saying I like something, and saying why I like it, that you can make the judgement that I’ll fall apart instantly.

This will be my last post here, unless anyone has anything useful to say, preferably about the process that you go through to get a top tier job like this. None of you are aware of what I can, and can’t do, thus your opinions mean shit to me. If your post is informational in nature I will still regard it.

Drop the cocky attitude, I have kids just a year and three years younger than you. I’m very familiar with the " Yeah I know it’s gonna be tough line." You don’t have any idea how tough it will be. You mentioned shooting a little. Did you ever hunt?

Try sitting still in a tree when it’s 20 or so out for a few hours. It’s fun, but it sucks. And that would be a very easy day as a seal or Green Beret. I’m not saying you can’t do it, but it will be hard. It will be hard if you’re some hot shot, let alone some guy.

What are your grades like? Snipers and special forces types usually have high intelligence. You can’t be a dumbass and do that stuff.

Try it if you like, but drop the attitude. It’s like asking how to be a number one draft pick in the NFL. We can tell you how to do it, but it’s still almost impossible.
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I probably come off as cocky because morons like loose tool are looking fo any chance to throw out random insults.

No, I haven’t been hunting. I’d have liked to go but I don’t personally know anyone who hunts.

As far as grades, I’ve always done pretty well, especially on standardized tests. Normally I score in the 99th percentile for everything. Classroom grades I get b’s-a’s with a pretty big lack of effort.

Before loose tool throws something out there about not trying at school meaning I wouldn’t try in the military, they are completely different activities. If you fail to see that well, lol.