How are they completely different activities? Anything you do, you should do your best. If you think you don’t need to try at school because it’s all stuff you don’t think you’ll need, what will happen when you are in the military? Pick and choose what you think is important?
[quote]Cat Nip wrote:
How are they completely different activities? Anything you do, you should do your best. If you think you don’t need to try at school because it’s all stuff you don’t think you’ll need, what will happen when you are in the military? Pick and choose what you think is important?
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True, the things he needs to do to make it when he’s in the military are brutal to both mind and body. The reason I bring up hunting is that can be very uncomfortable, but light years easier than Ranger training, sniper training, SEAL training and so on.
You need brains, fitness, and will to such a degree that most don’t know what they are getting into. Obviously some make it, but many try due to the “cool factor”.
[quote]Defekt wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Defekt wrote:
jmarshburn wrote:
Blackwater is a whole other animal… to get the highest paying jobs with them, you better be coming from at least a SEAL team or Ranger Battalion. Most likely if you are at thier top rung you come from Special Forces or other even more elite and specialized units. If you don’t have that type of background (which takes about 15 years in the military to achieve), you are a gate guard at best.
Thats how I thought it was originally, but other posters had said differently.
As for “having it” nothing i say here can prove or disprove this, I won’t be responding to any more posts telling me I’m an idiot, or mocking me for wanting a military job, or setting my goals high.
I never said I thought it would be easy, I never said I thought was going to join blackwater tomorrow and start blowing up A-rabs. Its amusing that when all you have is a few posts of me asking questions about how one gets in, saying I like something, and saying why I like it, that you can make the judgement that I’ll fall apart instantly.
This will be my last post here, unless anyone has anything useful to say, preferably about the process that you go through to get a top tier job like this. None of you are aware of what I can, and can’t do, thus your opinions mean shit to me. If your post is informational in nature I will still regard it.
Drop the cocky attitude, I have kids just a year and three years younger than you. I’m very familiar with the " Yeah I know it’s gonna be tough line." You don’t have any idea how tough it will be. You mentioned shooting a little. Did you ever hunt?
Try sitting still in a tree when it’s 20 or so out for a few hours. It’s fun, but it sucks. And that would be a very easy day as a seal or Green Beret. I’m not saying you can’t do it, but it will be hard. It will be hard if you’re some hot shot, let alone some guy.
What are your grades like? Snipers and special forces types usually have high intelligence. You can’t be a dumbass and do that stuff.
Try it if you like, but drop the attitude. It’s like asking how to be a number one draft pick in the NFL. We can tell you how to do it, but it’s still almost impossible.
I probably come off as cocky because morons like loose tool are looking fo any chance to throw out random insults.
No, I haven’t been hunting. I’d have liked to go but I don’t personally know anyone who hunts.
As far as grades, I’ve always done pretty well, especially on standardized tests. Normally I score in the 99th percentile for everything. Classroom grades I get b’s-a’s with a pretty big lack of effort.
Before loose tool throws something out there about not trying at school meaning I wouldn’t try in the military, they are completely different activities. If you fail to see that well, lol. [/quote]
Believe me, there will be no lack of effort in the military.
My 13 year old son wants to attend the Naval Academy. He’s smart and listens well, but I have told him countless times it will be difficult when he gets there. From observing him, I think he can handle it, but the academy is nothing like SEAL training.
If you’re serious, I would go to college and go ROTC and come out an officer. Why be a grunt when you can be an officer and get paid more for getting shot at?
[quote]Defekt wrote:
Obviously I have done nothing to show you this, and there is nothing I can do to show you this. [/quote]
So, just curious, what have you done? What makes you think you are any different from all the other 16 year old know-it-alls?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
tom63 wrote:
…If you’re serious, I would go to college and go ROTC and come out an officer. Why be a grunt when you can be an officer and get paid more for getting shot at?
Bit of a sidetrack here, Tom, but this reminds me, remember which rank in the Army in Nam had the highest KIA ratio?
2nd Lieutenant
Correct me if you recall differently.[/quote]
I think you’re right, hahaha! but that’s why they give them the bigger bucks, haha.
[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
Let me see…
I am a member of the US Army Special Forces (just establishing my own background, qualification and frame of reference to respond to this)…
At this very moment I am at Fort Benning training Infantry Privates (turning civilians into Infantrymen)…[/quote]
I trained at Delta 219(WARDOGS) at my stay in Benning, Are you able to say where you are currently training the soldiers at?
Yeah, I am currently the Company Commander for Alpha 2-54.
[quote]John S. wrote:
jmarshburn wrote:
Let me see…
I am a member of the US Army Special Forces (just establishing my own background, qualification and frame of reference to respond to this)…
At this very moment I am at Fort Benning training Infantry Privates (turning civilians into Infantrymen)…
I trained at Delta 219(WARDOGS) at my stay in Benning, Are you able to say where you are currently training the soldiers at?[/quote]
[quote]Defekt wrote:
lixy wrote:
Defekt wrote:
ravell wrote:
It sounds to me like you just want the respect (fear) that comes with being on the same team as a bunch of high tech killing machines.
Correct.
Hence, the “grow up” earlier.
You don’t grow out of a mind state such as this. You are born into it. It is who you are for the rest of your life. It isn’t really fair to tell someone to “grow up” because a job like this appeals to them.
I didn’t feel like responding in length to a post such as that, as they are obviously against anything like that, and nothing I could’ve said wouldve changed their minds, it would have been a waste of time. [/quote]
Dude, you do grow up out of it once you realize the real world isn’t what you see in the movies.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
If you’re serious, I would go to college and go ROTC and come out an officer. Why be a grunt when you can be an officer and get paid more for getting shot at?
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Good advice. Dude, you’re what, 18? Go to college at a big Southern state school with cute girls, keg parties and SEC football, and join Army or Navy ROTC. See how you feel at 20 or 22, things change. If you still want to serve then, you’ll be a lot more mature, mentally and physically.
As for Blackwater…most of their guys are ex-SEALS or SF, some Marine recon or infantry too, almost no one without prior military or high-level police experience. Read Robert Young Pelton’s Licensed To Kill, probably the best look at PMC’s in the War on Terror.
They don’t have a reputation for treating their guys well though, according to a friend of mine who was in the industry. Erik Prince also counter-sued the families of the four guys killed at Fallujah, which is pretty low.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
If you’re serious, I would go to college and go ROTC and come out an officer. Why be a grunt when you can be an officer and get paid more for getting shot at?
Good advice. Dude, you’re what, 18? Go to college at a big Southern state school with cute girls, keg parties and SEC football, and join Army or Navy ROTC. See how you feel at 20 or 22, things change. If you still want to serve then, you’ll be a lot more mature, mentally and physically.
As for Blackwater…most of their guys are ex-SEALS or SF, some Marine recon or infantry too, almost no one without prior military or high-level police experience. Read Robert Young Pelton’s Licensed To Kill, probably the best look at PMC’s in the War on Terror.
They don’t have a reputation for treating their guys well though, according to a friend of mine who was in the industry. Erik Prince also counter-sued the families of the four guys killed at Fallujah, which is pretty low.[/quote]
Great post. I think going to college is probably the best idea. If for some reason I do change my mind, which i may, I’ll have a better chance at getting a different job. I’m going to read the book you mentioned pretty soon, it looks like an intereesting read.
[quote]Defekt wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
If you’re serious, I would go to college and go ROTC and come out an officer. Why be a grunt when you can be an officer and get paid more for getting shot at?
Good advice. Dude, you’re what, 18? Go to college at a big Southern state school with cute girls, keg parties and SEC football, and join Army or Navy ROTC. See how you feel at 20 or 22, things change. If you still want to serve then, you’ll be a lot more mature, mentally and physically.
As for Blackwater…most of their guys are ex-SEALS or SF, some Marine recon or infantry too, almost no one without prior military or high-level police experience. Read Robert Young Pelton’s Licensed To Kill, probably the best look at PMC’s in the War on Terror.
They don’t have a reputation for treating their guys well though, according to a friend of mine who was in the industry. Erik Prince also counter-sued the families of the four guys killed at Fallujah, which is pretty low.
Great post. I think going to college is probably the best idea. If for some reason I do change my mind, which i may, I’ll have a better chance at getting a different job. I’m going to read the book you mentioned pretty soon, it looks like an interesting read. [/quote]
Now you’re thinking. there is nothing wrong with setting high goals, but approach it thoughtfully and with caution. you do get shot at in the military, you know.
I told my son similar things. He wants the Naval Academy and I think he’ll get in. but I did tell him to be a Naval doctor or lawyer, not a SEAL. The dad in me is proud of him, but I still want my kid around.
Be a Naval dermatologist and come out at around 40 and make a great living and se your wife and kids.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Defekt wrote:
What are the chances of actually being accepted into blackwater with no active duty? Are there other steps you can go through to make your application seem more worthy?
I hear special forces training is something they value. Highway patrol would get you nowhere obviously.[/quote]
You are too much of a pussy to do either.
Go fuck off and build a bomb to kill some kids.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
tom63 wrote:
…If you’re serious, I would go to college and go ROTC and come out an officer. Why be a grunt when you can be an officer and get paid more for getting shot at?
Bit of a sidetrack here, Tom, but this reminds me, remember which rank in the Army in Nam had the highest KIA ratio?
2nd Lieutenant
Correct me if you recall differently.[/quote]
But how many were killed by the enemy?
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
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They don’t have a reputation for treating their guys well though, according to a friend of mine who was in the industry. Erik Prince also counter-sued the families of the four guys killed at Fallujah, which is pretty low.[/quote]
What a douchebag. Blackwater will be dramatically different in a few years. I am not sure how its contracts will change, but they will. Not a long term career for most.
Just thought some may find this interesting.This is considered by many to be the original prototype for the private military industry.Plenty of their former operatives in Iraq right now,and they are in recruiting overdrive in SA at the minute,even though now it’s a criminal offence for SA nationals to participate in mercenary activities…
Well blackwater will train em but to what level needs to be seen. Also blackwater is probably going to get the boot from Iraq for its business practices.
[quote]roc wrote:
Also blackwater is probably going to get the boot from Iraq for its business practices. [/quote]
By whom, sir? Whom?
Baghdad is in Washington’s pockets and Washington is in corporate pockets.
[quote]lixy wrote:
roc wrote:
Also blackwater is probably going to get the boot from Iraq for its business practices.
By whom, sir? Whom?
Baghdad is in Washington’s pockets and Washington is in corporate pockets.[/quote]
Yep. Sadly.
[quote]Defekt wrote:
John S. wrote:
Defekt wrote:
hunterthompson wrote:
dude you’re 16. you’re outlook on life will probably be completely different five years from now. hell probably 2 years from now. so you do have a lot of growing up to do.
I realize this. I’ve been wanting to join the military since I was 5. The only reason I can see myself changing my mind is if I have a really good reason to stay here, ie: wife and kids, when the time comes around. If thats the case I’ll probably look into becoming a police officer, or a similar job that doesn’t require going overseas. I can’t see myself working an office job, ever really.
You and me are the same way, You wanting to go infantry or what? The month after I turned 18 I joined the infantry, made it to week 11 and recked myself, I got one more year to go before I go back in. Hope you keep this dream up I hope to see you there.
Good luck and God bless man.
I want to be in a position on the front lines, infantry seems to be where its at. Eventually the goal is to go through special forces training and be part of the elite. If it were possible to go through training and be directly accepted into blackwater/seals/rangers ect.
I’d try to go that route. (yes I know blackwater isn’t part of the US military, I listed them with seals/rangers because they fit the category of ‘elite’) [/quote]
#1-Blackwater is not “elite” but SOME are pulled from the elite.
#2-Go in the military for the military and to serve your Country, not to become a contractor afterwards.
#3-For all the “great money” you make, no amount is as great as having all your limbs or your life.
#4-I might know something about Blackwater and PMC’s in general.