[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I agree that they must be projecting from modern DNA. I exceedingly doubt that it can be known the skin color of all people everywhere a million years ago based on that.[/quote]
Modern DNA is a bit of a troublesome term since the genes we have came from our ancestors and take millennia to change significantly.
[quote]
In particular, if they are claiming a one-nucleotide (letter) change is all that is involved, then there is no rate of drift to measure.[/quote]
The one nucleotide mutation in light skinned Europeans is nothing to do with melanin itself, it’s actually in a pump protein involved in concentrating melanin in melanosomes. The pump either doesn’t work or works poorly in the mutant form, so skin is paler.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
That makes the assumption evolution is true. It’s not, God created the Universe some time after the domestication of Canis Lupis Familiaris and after the Sumerians invented glue. It says so in the Bible.[/quote]
I would still like to see – considering that this was from an anthropology journal, not a genetics journal – how it can be known when a one-nucleotide mutation occurred, let alone whether it was present in all individuals or some at a time point one million years in the past.
When you’re talking about changes involving multiple nucleotides, many of which make no difference, it’s one thing to project a rate of drift. For one nucleotide, that wouldn’t apply.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Vegita wrote:
To My knowledge I don’t have any black ancestors, yet I get very dark in the summer if I try to? Why is it that some people who are white can get very dark, but others just burn? My one buddy literally will burn in 10 minutes outside in the NY summer sun. It’s not even that intense and it would take me a whole day early in the season with no base tan to get a mild burn. Once I start to get a base I just don’t burn unless I go to florida or something.
I may have native american in me from some point but my other bloodlines are very caucasian. Grandfather was at least 50% french (Lemieux) may have had some native american on his mothers side. His wife was off the boat from the Ukraine (Yarosz) 100% Ukrane. My other Grandmother was descendant from the English (Miller) and my other Grandfather was also English and Scottish (Briggs). Those are the main bloodlines, though no one alive can say if there wasn’t anything else in the bloodlines before that point. I have never did much searching though, I might be able to dig up some relavant info on a geneology website or something.
V
It’s because Vegeta is a harsh, desert planet.
Vegita had also omitted that he has an inner eyelid, like Spock. Totally instinctive. He tends to ignore it, as you ignore your own appendix.
[/quote]
You mean you DONT have an inner eyelid? I just assumed everyone did? Hmmm.
[quote]Mattlebee wrote:
They don’t, really. Young chimps are pink-skinned (where they aren’t covered in hair), but adults are darker. Gorillas are blacker than the blackest “black” humans.
It’s a bit of a red herring anyway since apes live in forests and aren’t exposed to much sun.[/quote]
Chimps who are closer to humans. They don’t look young to especially the one with the big nuts.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
You mean you DONT have an inner eyelid? I just assumed everyone did? Hmmm.[/quote]
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Judas wrote:
yea im from australia im half black n half white, all my white friends get fucked up from the sun haha im not that dark but i dont burn i just get more brown , dont even need to wear sun tan cream. im gonna breed with a darker chick so my kids will survive as the whole in the ozone gets bigger n bigger n more people get fucked up
burn cracka burn
Well that is awesome they’ll survive the “whole (sic) in the ozone,” because they won’t be able to pass the 3rd grade.
[quote]Brasidas wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Judas wrote:
yea im from australia im half black n half white, all my white friends get fucked up from the sun haha im not that dark but i dont burn i just get more brown , dont even need to wear sun tan cream. im gonna breed with a darker chick so my kids will survive as the whole in the ozone gets bigger n bigger n more people get fucked up
burn cracka burn
Well that is awesome they’ll survive the “whole (sic) in the ozone,” because they won’t be able to pass the 3rd grade.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Makavali wrote:
That makes the assumption evolution is true. It’s not, God created the Universe some time after the domestication of Canis Lupis Familiaris and after the Sumerians invented glue. It says so in the Bible.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Makavali wrote:
That makes the assumption evolution is true. It’s not, God created the Universe some time after the domestication of Canis Lupis Familiaris and after the Sumerians invented glue. It says so in the Bible.
Feel better?
I ate a large steak just now, so yes.
Gravy is good. So good. And potatoes.[/quote]
I see what you did. You’re keeping with the brown and white theme of this thread.
You know, on this theory of this pump being the prime determinant of skin darkness (which is how I’d have to interpret the original argument) this does not seem to make so much sense to me.
The situation apparently is that one either has this mutation or does not; or more precisely can only have two copies of the fully-operating version, one copy, or none.
Yet the fact is there are plenty of ethnicities that average pretty dark, or have members that are pretty dark, and I DON’T see where 1/4 of their children wind with the pale white skin of an Irish redhead, 1/2 wind up “half-toned,” and 1/4 wind up full-black.
Actually, not any of their children ordinarily wind up so white or so dark. They tend to average fairly close to their parents.
And this extends over such a wide range.
A darker non-“black” can be just as dark as a lighter “black,” though qualitatively the color is different – as mentioned, there are different types of melanin with differing hues.
I will grant that Africans and many East Indians would appear to have an allele (version of a gene) related to skin pigmentation that differs from other races, but to claim that not having the fully-operating pump makes a person light-skinned is I think clearly wrong – to a quite substantial level of darkness.
