Black Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Kind of funny how you used a “White Power” website to refute this.[/quote]

It’s what came up with Google; I promise it is not book marked.

However, despite not taking the time to read the sites mission statement – because American Renaissance sounds fairly benign - I DID link to the news article they cited. I also corrected their comment regarding Martin’s suspension.

So, if you want to refute the facts… have at it.

Attacking the messenger (or insinuating something about my character based on my use of the site) ain’t gonna cut it.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Zimmerman was a SELF-APPOINTED town-watch captain, and never registered this status with authorities or his community association.

Zimmerman made over forty 9-11 calls since January '11. Much of his issue was with black teens.

Zimmerman initially made the determination in his mind that Martin was up to no good.

The “Stand your ground” law no longer applied to Zimmerman once he initiated his pursuit of Martin.

Zimmerman ignored what the 911 dispatcher told him (not to follow Martin).

At that point, Martin was the one the law applied to, since Zimmerman was perceived as a threat, being much bigger, and carrying a firearm.

Martin’s school record, size, color or anything else has any significance in this case because he had no weapons, and was only returning home from the store. Zimmerman CLEARLY INSTIGATED the events that lead up to Martin’s death.

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This continues to be ignored because many posters believe he was in his legal right to chase after Tray. hahahahahha

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
“The media also characterizes Trayvon as a Ã??Ã?¢??model student.Ã??Ã?¢?? In fact, he was under a five day suspension when the shooting took place. That is why he was staying at a house so far from his school on a school night.”

Before the overly vocal morons who have been spamming this thread chime in to say I’m only posting this to justify the shooting, note that I am only doing it to help flesh out the characters better.

You know, so you can all see how the media for this (allegedly) predominantly racist country is spinning the story.

If I was TRYING to bias this thread, I’d post pictures of Trayvon’s Facebook page where he is flashing gang signs with his pants midway down to his knees.[/quote]

Kind of funny how you used a “White Power” website to refute this.
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Ha ha! Good catch, Testy.

I think anonym and HG are the same dude.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think anonym and HG are the same dude. [/quote]

I’m just surprised you are making comments that (you feel) are more substantive that “LOL!” or “x2-ing” whatever Professor X posts.

They’re not particularly intelligent – you sound like a robot parroting media sound bites, and you’re also about 25 pages late with the info you are presenting – but at least you are making an effort.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Zimmerman was a SELF-APPOINTED town-watch captain, and never registered this status with authorities or his community association.

Zimmerman made over forty 9-11 calls since January '11. Much of his issue was with black teens.

Zimmerman initially made the determination in his mind that Martin was up to no good.

The “Stand your ground” law no longer applied to Zimmerman once he initiated his pursuit of Martin.

Zimmerman ignored what the 911 dispatcher told him (not to follow Martin).

At that point, Martin was the one the law applied to, since Zimmerman was perceived as a threat, being much bigger, and carrying a firearm.

Martin’s school record, size, color or anything else has any significance in this case because he had no weapons, and was only returning home from the store. Zimmerman CLEARLY INSTIGATED the events that lead up to Martin’s death.

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Zimmerman had legal authority granted with his concealed handgun license that encompasses more than you would most likely assume, read the law. Better yet take the class if NJ offers one.

According to reports, a string of robberies in the area at the hands of young, black, male suspects had been commited. Of course Zimmerman would pay special attention to young, black males acting suspiciously (we still don’t know what he saw in regards to Martin). This is common sense, not blatant racial hate.

You don’t know what Zimmerman thought or reacted to.

911 dispatchers are NOT the police. Many cases, perhaps the most famous in Texas, involve 911 telling a caller to sit tight, the caller doesn’t and is found innocent of any crime.

Following is not a crime. Attacking is.

If Zimmermans dropped charges, phone calls and general history are pertinent information, so is Martin’s.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
“The media also characterizes Trayvon as a Ã??Ã?¢??model student.Ã??Ã?¢?? In fact, he was under a five day suspension when the shooting took place. That is why he was staying at a house so far from his school on a school night.”

Before the overly vocal morons who have been spamming this thread chime in to say I’m only posting this to justify the shooting, note that I am only doing it to help flesh out the characters better.

You know, so you can all see how the media for this (allegedly) predominantly racist country is spinning the story.

If I was TRYING to bias this thread, I’d post pictures of Trayvon’s Facebook page where he is flashing gang signs with his pants midway down to his knees.[/quote]

Kind of funny how you used a “White Power” website to refute this.
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The Website was blocked on my computer at work because of: HATE/DISCRIMINATION.

Oh my how the plot thickens.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
“The media also characterizes Trayvon as a Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??model student.Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? In fact, he was under a five day suspension when the shooting took place. That is why he was staying at a house so far from his school on a school night.”

Before the overly vocal morons who have been spamming this thread chime in to say I’m only posting this to justify the shooting, note that I am only doing it to help flesh out the characters better.

You know, so you can all see how the media for this (allegedly) predominantly racist country is spinning the story.

If I was TRYING to bias this thread, I’d post pictures of Trayvon’s Facebook page where he is flashing gang signs with his pants midway down to his knees.[/quote]

Kind of funny how you used a “White Power” website to refute this.
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Ha ha! Good catch, Testy.

I think anonym and HG are the same dude.
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Oh please. Character assassination now. I am not that dude. Multiple concurrent accounts are fucking gay and not my style at all.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]“The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help! Help!’ and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911,” said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

“And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”[/quote]

  • The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
  • The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
  • Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
  • Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon MartinÃ?¢??s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.

Martin was also supposedly 6’2". The pictures his family submitted to the media are all (supposedly) YEARS old.[/quote]

So what is known:

  1. Zimmerman was neighborhood watch guy. He had the legal right to ask people what they were up to in the neighborhood.

  2. Martin was on suspension for 10 days from school and thus not in school when normal kids would be.

  3. A fight ensued, unclear who started it, but Zimmerman says Martin attacked him for questioning him.

  4. It is not clear who is bigger, to me. Martin is 6’2", which is small to me, but big to a lot of people.

  5. Zimmerman was getting his ass beaten. According to multiple witnesses, he was on the ground, Martin on top of him (per above) pounding him. Zimmerman screaming for help.

  6. Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest while being beaten.

  7. All the stuff about Zimmerman calling him a “coon” or whatever having been debunked as bullshit. By all accounts, Zimmerman had family, friends, and neighbors of many races.

Now, this was clearly an avoidable incident. If Zimmerman was a professional, he would need to be fired and worse because he (apparently) handled the initial contact poorly.

But Zimmerman had the right to confront Martin.

Martin attacked Zimmerman. Now Martin’s attack may be justified because he had no idea who Zimmerman was. That would be an issue if Martin was alive and Zimmerman dead. That’s not what happened.

Here, Zimmerman shot Martin. Was that justified?

Zimmerman was laying on the ground, no way to escape, no help coming. He was getting his ass beaten.

In such a circumstance, regardless of the “stand your ground” law, he had the right to stop the assault, and did so.

It amazes me at all the so-called liberals on this site who care about their fellow man who are so eager to convict Zimmerman because of political correctness and race-baiting. That’s as bad as lynching a black guy in the situation was reversed.