Black Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
IQ tests are, at best, marginally useful identifying things like learning disabilities WITHIN a normalized population.[/quote]

Not to completely derail this, but Jews rock on IQ tests, are like 1% of the world population, and have half the world’s Nobel Prizes. Not to mention writing the book that is the cornerstone of our ethics.

So there is something to IQ test, IMHO.[/quote]

Yeah, but for what its worth, for the longest time Jews started to read at three working their way through the Torah, instead of “Bob has a ball, watch Bob and his ball”.

Add to that a heritage that insinuates that everything you have better fit into your suitcase and into your head and who knows what that leads to. [/quote]

But that would imply a large cultural influence.[/quote]

Mebbe.

If that was true though, it would also explain why people who see reading a book as a sign of sympathizing with the enemy do not so well on IQ tests.

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Which again is cultural. My grandmother was almost just south of white…as in light skinned but “black” facial features enough to know she isn’t. Her husband was jet black. He would often go missing in the middle of the night so she had to buy Pearl Drops toothpaste so he could be found.

I remember getting made fun of at one school I attended (the only one majority black) where I was teased for how I spoke. Apparently, I spoke “white”. That is the community many of these kids are raised in. Education is not valued (mind you, I do think this is changing lately) and the focus is not on praising pure intellect mostly because of the condition many of those kids are living in and the options they think are available to them.

This can not be ignored with standardized tests or completely left out of the equation.[/quote]

This is another theory I find plausible. I vaguely remember reading about a crime report from the 1800’s that actually showed blacks had lower crime rates, both in total and as a % of population, than whites. I haven’t been able to find it, but assuming it’s true, it suggests a culture of violence as the problem, not the low IQ/high T mixture.

It would take more than just that report, obviously, but it is a valid counter-theory.

The warring nature of Africa can also plausibly be explained in this way if one looks at Africa in terms of Lloyd DeMause’s psycho-history theory (which I adhere to), but this theory still requires the low aggregate African IQ to explain this. [/quote]

I know that we’re well into tiger time but wake up. Africans were less warlike than white colonists otherwise they wouldn’t have been enslaved. The conquerors’ methods are always the most brutal. The state of modern Africa is a legacy of slavery and superimposing an incompatible government onto a honeycomb-like system of tribes. [/quote]
Intelligence driven technological discovery applied to weaponry > barbarism.

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Zimmerman’s trigger finger wasn’t driven by intelligence.[/quote]Maybe, maybe not. We are still not sure of the details.

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[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Still waiting on the “outrage” over suggesting that blacks have a natural athletic advantage, especially over Asians.

I guess only the brain is off limits by evolution, hmm?[/quote]
Never go full retard it makes it too obvious.[/quote]
It’s actually an interesting point of double standards peppering this thread.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
But, to address your point, if crime figures are micro-managed for drug arrests, so are the figures for every other crime. [/quote]

The problem with this is it still assumes that blacks are actually committing these homicide. [/quote]

Does it? Really?

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[quote] HoustonGuy wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. We are still not sure of the details.
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So you said. I’ve predicted every reaction so far, barring Tray’s phone conversation without listening to any tape. I didn’t even account for the phone because Zimmerman didn’t mention it, nor did he make his intentions clear. There is no twist.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Still waiting on the “outrage” over suggesting that blacks have a natural athletic advantage, especially over Asians.

I guess only the brain is off limits by evolution, hmm?[/quote]
Never go full retard it makes it too obvious.[/quote]
It’s actually an interesting point of double standards peppering this thread.[/quote]

meh he’s trolling and he’s not even that grand…something like this…in this video I get to be the dude packing up his shit and hitting the bar, tigertime can be the bumbling asian still trying to teach the class, you get to be the guy getting bitchslapped…the chick is all thats wrong in the world

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Hmm, just saw this story on TV for the first time today. Apparently the kid was on his phone with his gf as it was happening, and repeatedly asked Zimmerman why he was following him, etc etc…sure seem to throw [even] more suspicion Zimmerman’s way. Glad that they’re protesting this and insisting on a full investigation. How the hell you gonna shoot an unarmed person with no eyewitnesses and not even get taken into custody?

hit the gym, I think it’s a very community-specific thing. My wife is black, and the only “racist” type thing I see even somewhat regularly is black dudes apparently telling her she should get with “a real man” aka them. They should be glad I’ve never seen/heard this happen in person. She’s told me of this happening multiple times though.

Having said that, I’m based in a military town, being in the Marines; so there is a larger than normal “minority” population in the area. On a somewhat related and interesting (to me) note, I VERY rarely see racism popping up in the military, as compared to civilian life…can’t help but wonder if it’s because of the greater interaction with varying races that tends to occur in the military. Thoughts on this from other people with military background?

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H4M, you got married? Damn… Congrats!!

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[quote]four60 wrote:
^ Sorry Sifu,
It seems the quote button does not want to work with this conversation. Both our text seem to blend so I’ll just place it here.

No, its not that I don’t understand what Zimmerman was looking for its that Zimmerman seen it in places even though it was not present.

We use to call it Situational Awareness in my old job. Its strange that wearing a Hooded sweat shirt in the rain and walking is considered a crimminal Modus Operandi.

Let us not forget the kid was found with candy and Ice Tea not a gun in his waist.[/quote]

That is somewhat the point I’ve been trying to make. There was what was going on in Zimmerman’s mind and there is what Martin was thinking. They probably both misread each others intentions to some extent. But with Zimmerman he read way too much into what he was seeing and made things much more serious than they needed to be.

I agree that one would think it normal to wear a hoodie in the rain and cold. But there is also the cultural phenomenon known as the “hood rat” which is a culture that crosses racial lines.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
H4M, you got married? Damn… Congrats!![/quote]

Yup, just 2 days ago man. Thanks much!

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[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Still waiting on the “outrage” over suggesting that blacks have a natural athletic advantage, especially over Asians.

I guess only the brain is off limits by evolution, hmm?[/quote]
Never go full retard it makes it too obvious.[/quote]

I don’t think you know what I’m talking about here.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Right because, as we all know, there was no slavery in Africa before the white man came…

Black slavery has been blown way out of proportion. I’m actually surprised to see this argument from you. [quote] I’m full of surprises [/quote] Are you aware that when colonists came to South Africa, it was almost completely devoid of African’s? African’s actually moved into South Africa because they saw benefit from European technology.

This is actually part of a much bigger topic that I just don’t have the energy to go into right now. For now, I think it’s enough to say that Africa absolutely had tribal warfare and slavery before the colonists. [/quote]

Debate away…

Warlike races are not inclined to be enslaved, nor do they make “good” slaves (see Mayans and Aztecs and their extinction/ lasting legacy. Oh and vikings) Tribal warfare and inter-tribal captivity are not the same as commercial slavery. In modern terms, tribal warfare is defused during a sports game; the parallel can be be seen in war dances.

You assume that Africa needed to be invaded in order to progress.[/quote]

Dude, it’s simply a matter of fact that Africa had slavery before Europeans went there. Most African slaves the Europeans took with them were bought… as slaves. They were already slaves.

Why are you talking about sports? This is irrelevant.

Once again, there were parts of Africa that didn’t even have the wheel before Europeans colonized it. I’m not saying that they would never have progressed, but 50,000 years is a long time to not think up the wheel.

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[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Still waiting on the “outrage” over suggesting that blacks have a natural athletic advantage, especially over Asians.

I guess only the brain is off limits by evolution, hmm?[/quote]
Never go full retard it makes it too obvious.[/quote]
It’s actually an interesting point of double standards peppering this thread.[/quote]

meh he’s trolling and he’s not even that grand…something like this…in this video I get to be the dude packing up his shit and hitting the bar, tigertime can be the bumbling asian still trying to teach the class, you get to be the guy getting bitchslapped…the chick is all thats wrong in the world

Something like that.

You get to be a tampon.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
But, to address your point, if crime figures are micro-managed for drug arrests, so are the figures for every other crime. [/quote]

The problem with this is it still assumes that blacks are actually committing these homicide. [/quote]

Does it? Really?[/quote]

… Yes.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Right because, as we all know, there was no slavery in Africa before the white man came…

Black slavery has been blown way out of proportion. I’m actually surprised to see this argument from you. [quote] I’m full of surprises [/quote] Are you aware that when colonists came to South Africa, it was almost completely devoid of African’s? African’s actually moved into South Africa because they saw benefit from European technology.

This is actually part of a much bigger topic that I just don’t have the energy to go into right now. For now, I think it’s enough to say that Africa absolutely had tribal warfare and slavery before the colonists. [/quote]

Debate away…

Warlike races are not inclined to be enslaved, nor do they make “good” slaves (see Mayans and Aztecs and their extinction/ lasting legacy. Oh and vikings) Tribal warfare and inter-tribal captivity are not the same as commercial slavery. In modern terms, tribal warfare is defused during a sports game; the parallel can be be seen in war dances.

You assume that Africa needed to be invaded in order to progress.[/quote]

Dude, it’s simply a matter of fact that Africa had slavery before Europeans went there. Most African slaves the Europeans took with them were bought… as slaves. They were already slaves.

Why are you talking about sports? This is irrelevant.

Once again, there were parts of Africa that didn’t even have the wheel before Europeans colonized it. I’m not saying that they would never have progressed, but 50,000 years is a long time to not think up the wheel. [/quote]

Sports are relevant when you want them to be. Where was the wheel invented? And how did African slaves become slaves before Europeans bought them?

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
But, to address your point, if crime figures are micro-managed for drug arrests, so are the figures for every other crime. [/quote]

The problem with this is it still assumes that blacks are actually committing these homicide. [/quote]

Does it? Really?[/quote]

… Yes.[/quote]

Explain.

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[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Still waiting on the “outrage” over suggesting that blacks have a natural athletic advantage, especially over Asians.

I guess only the brain is off limits by evolution, hmm?[/quote]
Never go full retard it makes it too obvious.[/quote]
It’s actually an interesting point of double standards peppering this thread.[/quote]

meh he’s trolling and he’s not even that grand…something like this…in this video I get to be the dude packing up his shit and hitting the bar, tigertime can be the bumbling asian still trying to teach the class, you get to be the guy getting bitchslapped…the chick is all thats wrong in the world

[/quote]

No, you just made some bad arguments and now you’re looking for an out. You can’t fool me, groo.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Right because, as we all know, there was no slavery in Africa before the white man came…

Black slavery has been blown way out of proportion. I’m actually surprised to see this argument from you. [quote] I’m full of surprises [/quote] Are you aware that when colonists came to South Africa, it was almost completely devoid of African’s? African’s actually moved into South Africa because they saw benefit from European technology.

This is actually part of a much bigger topic that I just don’t have the energy to go into right now. For now, I think it’s enough to say that Africa absolutely had tribal warfare and slavery before the colonists. [/quote]

Debate away…

Warlike races are not inclined to be enslaved, nor do they make “good” slaves (see Mayans and Aztecs and their extinction/ lasting legacy. Oh and vikings) Tribal warfare and inter-tribal captivity are not the same as commercial slavery. In modern terms, tribal warfare is defused during a sports game; the parallel can be be seen in war dances.

You assume that Africa needed to be invaded in order to progress.[/quote]

Dude, it’s simply a matter of fact that Africa had slavery before Europeans went there. Most African slaves the Europeans took with them were bought… as slaves. They were already slaves.

Why are you talking about sports? This is irrelevant.

Once again, there were parts of Africa that didn’t even have the wheel before Europeans colonized it. I’m not saying that they would never have progressed, but 50,000 years is a long time to not think up the wheel. [/quote]

Sports are relevant when you want them to be. Where was the wheel invented?[/quote]

Mesopotamia/ Central Europe.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Right because, as we all know, there was no slavery in Africa before the white man came…

Black slavery has been blown way out of proportion. I’m actually surprised to see this argument from you. [quote] I’m full of surprises [/quote] Are you aware that when colonists came to South Africa, it was almost completely devoid of African’s? African’s actually moved into South Africa because they saw benefit from European technology.

This is actually part of a much bigger topic that I just don’t have the energy to go into right now. For now, I think it’s enough to say that Africa absolutely had tribal warfare and slavery before the colonists. [/quote]

Debate away…

Warlike races are not inclined to be enslaved, nor do they make “good” slaves (see Mayans and Aztecs and their extinction/ lasting legacy. Oh and vikings) Tribal warfare and inter-tribal captivity are not the same as commercial slavery. In modern terms, tribal warfare is defused during a sports game; the parallel can be be seen in war dances.

You assume that Africa needed to be invaded in order to progress.[/quote]

Dude, it’s simply a matter of fact that Africa had slavery before Europeans went there. Most African slaves the Europeans took with them were bought… as slaves. They were already slaves.

Why are you talking about sports? This is irrelevant.

Once again, there were parts of Africa that didn’t even have the wheel before Europeans colonized it. I’m not saying that they would never have progressed, but 50,000 years is a long time to not think up the wheel. [/quote]

Sports are relevant when you want them to be. Where was the wheel invented?[/quote]

Mesopotamia/ Central Europe. [/quote]

Why?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
But, to address your point, if crime figures are micro-managed for drug arrests, so are the figures for every other crime. [/quote]

The problem with this is it still assumes that blacks are actually committing these homicide. [/quote]

Does it? Really?[/quote]

… Yes.[/quote]

Explain.[/quote]

Your point is that police will stake out a dealers house and catch the customers rather than the dealer in order to fill a quota. You also contend that this technique could be applied to violent crime. The thing is, under the conditions you laid out, the customers being arrested are actually guilty of buying illegal drugs, so for this same scenario to be applied to violent crime, it is assumed that these black people are actually committing these violent crimes, otherwise this technique doesn’t apply.

For example, maybe the police stake out an area known for being a violent crime hot-spot and await for someone to commit a violent crime rather than making their presence known ahead of time in order to fill a quota. The thing is, if no one is actually committing a violent crime, nobodies getting arrested and the quota isn’t getting filled. If they are committing a violent crime, well that’s the whole argument right there, now isn’t it?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

Right because, as we all know, there was no slavery in Africa before the white man came…

Black slavery has been blown way out of proportion. I’m actually surprised to see this argument from you. [quote] I’m full of surprises [/quote] Are you aware that when colonists came to South Africa, it was almost completely devoid of African’s? African’s actually moved into South Africa because they saw benefit from European technology.

This is actually part of a much bigger topic that I just don’t have the energy to go into right now. For now, I think it’s enough to say that Africa absolutely had tribal warfare and slavery before the colonists. [/quote]

Debate away…

Warlike races are not inclined to be enslaved, nor do they make “good” slaves (see Mayans and Aztecs and their extinction/ lasting legacy. Oh and vikings) Tribal warfare and inter-tribal captivity are not the same as commercial slavery. In modern terms, tribal warfare is defused during a sports game; the parallel can be be seen in war dances.

You assume that Africa needed to be invaded in order to progress.[/quote]

Dude, it’s simply a matter of fact that Africa had slavery before Europeans went there. Most African slaves the Europeans took with them were bought… as slaves. They were already slaves.

Why are you talking about sports? This is irrelevant.

Once again, there were parts of Africa that didn’t even have the wheel before Europeans colonized it. I’m not saying that they would never have progressed, but 50,000 years is a long time to not think up the wheel. [/quote]

Sports are relevant when you want them to be. Where was the wheel invented?[/quote]

Mesopotamia/ Central Europe. [/quote]

Why?[/quote]

Why was it invented there or why was it invented at all?