Black Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

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What Mr. KKK suggested is hateful and asinine just in case that had to be mentioned. There’s probably more crimes for blacks across socio-economic lines because of racial profiling like what happened in this gated community. Even Mark Twain said, ‘there’s lies, damned lies, and then there’s statistics’. Racism is very real and prominent and I’ve seen it happen to my friends and I hate it. It hurts us all.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]

What Mr. KKK suggested is hateful and asinine just in case that had to be mentioned. There’s probably more crimes for blacks across socio-economic lines because of racial profiling like what happened in this gated community. Even Mark Twain said, ‘there’s lies, damned lies, and then there’s statistics’. Racism is very real and prominent and I’ve seen it happen to my friends and I hate it. It hurts us all. [/quote]

Exactly. You can not ignore the existence of increased attention to black individuals as “potential criminals” which could no doubt lead to more arrests whether there are more blacks truly committing more crimes or not.

If you aren’t even looking at the white guys (or non-minorities), what else would you expect from many of these statistics?

They weren’t even apparently concerned about any potential criminals in that neighborhood who were WHITE. They were only looking for blacks. It makes perfect sense that in cases like that you either find a black criminal…or you CREATE one.

Where are the stats on that?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]

What Mr. KKK suggested is hateful and asinine just in case that had to be mentioned. There’s probably more crimes for blacks across socio-economic lines because of racial profiling like what happened in this gated community. Even Mark Twain said, ‘there’s lies, damned lies, and then there’s statistics’. Racism is very real and prominent and I’ve seen it happen to my friends and I hate it. It hurts us all. [/quote]

Exactly. You can not ignore the existence of increased attention to black individuals as “potential criminals” which could no doubt lead to more arrests whether there are more blacks truly committing more crimes or not.

If you aren’t even looking at the white guys (or non-minorities), what else would you expect from many of these statistics?

They weren’t even apparently concerned about any potential criminals in that neighborhood who were WHITE. They were only looking for blacks. It makes perfect sense that in cases like that you either find a black criminal…or you CREATE one.

Where are the stats on that?[/quote]

You could start here.

Apparently, whistling at a white woman means you’re a criminal. But only if you’re black.

EDIT: My link was removed.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL @ “Im not racist and don’t hate anyone…but let me show you some stats that prove what you look like means you are inferior and more prone to sociopathic behavior!”

2012…and still this.

People in other countries telling black people what they should be concerned about in America has to be the most elitist bullshit since “they aren’t fully human so they will do as slaves”.

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Hahaha! Man, at this stage you shouldn’t even be surprised. Go to some place in Russia and they will hand you out a banana and make monkey noise at the same time.

2012, as you noted, and sadly yes, there’re still some white people who speak and think like a plantation master telling his slaves they are inferior monkeys.

I’m glad most the white people I know, either Americans or Europeans, some I have known most of my life, abhor this kind of belief.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]

What Mr. KKK suggested is hateful and asinine just in case that had to be mentioned. There’s probably more crimes for blacks across socio-economic lines because of racial profiling like what happened in this gated community. [/quote]

I think so too. I’m just saying you can’t objectively say he is wrong without looking at the evidence for his claim and evidence to the contrary.

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Yeah, white people never get arrested.

Dead body, detective, white suspect… toss the case. Or better yet, go stick the crime scene knife on a black bum and arrest him.

Racism does exist, on all sides, but lets not go overboard.

The most racist aspect of this thread is assuming the shooter is a racist because the kid he shot was black. If that isn’t stereotyping by skin color I don’t know what is.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]

What Mr. KKK suggested is hateful and asinine just in case that had to be mentioned. There’s probably more crimes for blacks across socio-economic lines because of racial profiling like what happened in this gated community. [/quote]

I think so too. I’m just saying you can’t objectively say he is wrong without looking at the evidence for his claim and evidence to the contrary. [/quote]

LULZ

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]

What Mr. KKK suggested is hateful and asinine just in case that had to be mentioned. There’s probably more crimes for blacks across socio-economic lines because of racial profiling like what happened in this gated community. [/quote]

I think so too. I’m just saying you can’t objectively say he is wrong without looking at the evidence for his claim and evidence to the contrary. [/quote]
An extremely controversial book was written by esteemed Harvard professors years ago called The Bell Curve and it examined such topics in an objective, scientific manner.

The results were, of course, rejected emotionally but the literal science of the research still stands.

The authors remained as objective as possible, noted outliers and potential societal causes of disparity, potential research weak points et cetera.

If you can remain objective, not use the book as a blanket basis for hatred and so on, it is an interesting sociological read.

And it isn’t a “white vs. black” book. It discusses common traits among large populations of whites, latinos, blacks and various asians.

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More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

I am not African. My ancestors were French, Native American, Haitian, and African. If you see “black” when you see me and then base any judgments about my character or potential for any negative act on that color, you are a RACIST.

Accept it.

Deal with it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

I am not African. My ancestors were French, Native American, Haitian, and African. If you see “black” when you see me and then base any judgments about my character or potential for any negative act on that color, you are a RACIST.

Accept it.

Deal with it.[/quote]

Its hard but the whole stat game is just that. A game. Its why the majority of them if not all of them are debated to death.

Most of these type of statistics are based off of police reports when crime is concerned. And as you can see thru this one MAY go down as Zimmerman self defense shooting.

Making this kid with Ice Tea and skittles the aggressor. So this is another STAT to add to the list.

Zimmerman who may be of Latin American decent. Is considered by the Police as a White Male of Hispanic descent. Since no state or Gov agency considers Hispanic or Latin American a race.

But when you look at a pic of Zimmerman what do you see?

Its all open to debate and even the Tiger kid who broke out the Stats to start this conversation can agree to that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

I am not African. My ancestors were French, Native American, Haitian, and African. If you see “black” when you see me and then base any judgments about my character or potential for any negative act on that color, you are a RACIST.

Accept it.

Deal with it.[/quote]
Kinda like assuming Zimmerman shooting the kid was racially motivated because Zimmerman was white.

Accept it, deal with it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

/[quote]

I didn’t know this. If I knew this I would’ve ignored what he had said immediately.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

/[quote]

I didn’t know this. If I had i would’ve ignored what he had said immediately.

[/quote]

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

I am not African. My ancestors were French, Native American, Haitian, and African. If you see “black” when you see me and then base any judgments about my character or potential for any negative act on that color, you are a RACIST.

Accept it.

Deal with it.[/quote]

Its hard but the whole stat game is just that. A game. Its way the majority of them if not all of them are debated to death.

Most of these type of statistics are based off of police reports when crime is concerned. And as you can see thru this one MAY go down as Zimmerman self defense shooting.

Making this kid with Ice Tea and skittles the aggressor. So this is another STAT to add to the list.

Zimmerman who may be of Latin American decent. Is considered by the Police as a White Male of Hispanic descent. Since no state or Gov agency considers Hispanic or Latin American a race.

But when you look at a pic of Zimmerman what do you see?

Its all open to debate and even the Tiger kid who broke out the Stats to start this conversation can agree to that.[/quote]
Again, semantics can be fun. It’s weird gov’t agencies don’t recognize latino as a race independent of the caucasion race, though I’m sure some biological classification methodology is the reason why.

Stand a bunch of whites next to a bunch of latinos and you’ll see different facial features, bone structure, hair and eye color variations et cetera. With out labeling each person as “caucasion” and “caucasion of latino decent”, the average joe could pick the latinos like 99% of the time. We are definitely different, neither better than the other but different for sure.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

I am not African. My ancestors were French, Native American, Haitian, and African. If you see “black” when you see me and then base any judgments about my character or potential for any negative act on that color, you are a RACIST.

Accept it.

Deal with it.[/quote]

Its hard but the whole stat game is just that. A game. Its way the majority of them if not all of them are debated to death.

Most of these type of statistics are based off of police reports when crime is concerned. And as you can see thru this one MAY go down as Zimmerman self defense shooting.

Making this kid with Ice Tea and skittles the aggressor. So this is another STAT to add to the list.

Zimmerman who may be of Latin American decent. Is considered by the Police as a White Male of Hispanic descent. Since no state or Gov agency considers Hispanic or Latin American a race.

But when you look at a pic of Zimmerman what do you see?

Its all open to debate and even the Tiger kid who broke out the Stats to start this conversation can agree to that.[/quote]
Again, semantics can be fun. It’s weird gov’t agencies don’t recognize latino as a race independent of the caucasion race, though I’m sure some biological classification methodology is the reason why.

Stand a bunch of whites next to a bunch of latinos and you’ll see different facial features, bone structure, hair and eye color variations et cetera. With out labeling each person as “caucasion” and “caucasion of latino decent”, the average joe could pick the latinos like 99% of the time. We are definitely different, neither better than the other but different for sure.[/quote]

You can be Black or African American and still be latin or Hispanic also.

The US Gov didn’t have an issue until the 70’s with them being considered a race. It was only that the numbers started to grow that it became an issue.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]
What aboriginal tribes recently discovered and still living in the stone age?

I do find it interesting that through out history, certain regions grew, prospered, developed technology and then of course dominated regions still throwing stones and using sticks for self defense.

Take the middle east for example, obviously a pioneer in science, math, culture et cetera and bordering Asia, Europe and Africa.

Look at the technological advances of European and Asian countries at any point in history compared to Africa.

I realize I’ll probably get crucified for this musing, but it’s interesting when viewed objectively.

Societal support is helpful of course, take a tribesman and throw him in modern society and he will adapt to the best of his abilities but, as a whole, why did one region lag so far behind?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
More gnats.

Blacks in America may just have the most diverse gene pool of any other country. That makes the entire discussion of “black genes” suspect and I have stated this many times before.

I am not African. My ancestors were French, Native American, Haitian, and African. If you see “black” when you see me and then base any judgments about my character or potential for any negative act on that color, you are a RACIST.

Accept it.

Deal with it.[/quote]

Its hard but the whole stat game is just that. A game. Its way the majority of them if not all of them are debated to death.

Most of these type of statistics are based off of police reports when crime is concerned. And as you can see thru this one MAY go down as Zimmerman self defense shooting.

Making this kid with Ice Tea and skittles the aggressor. So this is another STAT to add to the list.

Zimmerman who may be of Latin American decent. Is considered by the Police as a White Male of Hispanic descent. Since no state or Gov agency considers Hispanic or Latin American a race.

But when you look at a pic of Zimmerman what do you see?

Its all open to debate and even the Tiger kid who broke out the Stats to start this conversation can agree to that.[/quote]
Again, semantics can be fun. It’s weird gov’t agencies don’t recognize latino as a race independent of the caucasion race, though I’m sure some biological classification methodology is the reason why.

Stand a bunch of whites next to a bunch of latinos and you’ll see different facial features, bone structure, hair and eye color variations et cetera. With out labeling each person as “caucasion” and “caucasion of latino decent”, the average joe could pick the latinos like 99% of the time. We are definitely different, neither better than the other but different for sure.[/quote]

You can be Black or African American and still be latin or Hispanic also.

The US Gov didn’t have an issue until the 70’s with them being considered a race. It was only that the numbers started to grow that it became an issue. [/quote]
Well sure, you have to categorize the population, sub cultures et cetera. Makes sense.

Just weird they make minimal distinctions.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]
What aboriginal tribes recently discovered and still living in the stone age?

I do find it interesting that through out history, certain regions grew, prospered, developed technology and then of course dominated regions still throwing stones and using sticks for self defense.

Take the middle east for example, obviously a pioneer in science, math, culture et cetera and bordering Asia, Europe and Africa.

Look at the technological advances of European and Asian countries at any point in history compared to Africa.

I realize I’ll probably get crucified for this musing, but it’s interesting when viewed objectively.

Societal support is helpful of course, take a tribesman and throw him in modern society and he will adapt to the best of his abilities but, as a whole, why did one region lag so far behind?[/quote]

War

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
The most racist aspect of this thread is assuming the shooter is a racist because the kid he shot was black. If that isn’t stereotyping by skin color I don’t know what is.[/quote]

But it’s perfectly acceptable to assume that the kid must have been up to no good for Zimmerman to follow him right?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m very skeptical of the idea that blacks are genetically predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. I would like to look at how the data was collected. At the same time it would be wrong to rule out a possibility because it makes us feel uncomfortable. We want the RIGHT answer, not the one that makes us feel the most comfortable.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are a lot of parallels you can draw between the Aboriginal community of Canada and the black community in the US. They both are more likely to commit violent crimes disproportionate to their representation in the population, both more likely to be imprisoned and both more likely to be raised in single parent households. A long list of other stuff, but you guys get the idea.

The reason I have connected them is that they both have a long history of mistreatment in society by the social majority. Would it be possible that this mistreatment has effected their culture and values that still play a role today?

Not claiming to be an expert on this topic, just a thought.

[/quote]
What aboriginal tribes recently discovered and still living in the stone age?

I do find it interesting that through out history, certain regions grew, prospered, developed technology and then of course dominated regions still throwing stones and using sticks for self defense.

Take the middle east for example, obviously a pioneer in science, math, culture et cetera and bordering Asia, Europe and Africa.

Look at the technological advances of European and Asian countries at any point in history compared to Africa.

I realize I’ll probably get crucified for this musing, but it’s interesting when viewed objectively.

Societal support is helpful of course, take a tribesman and throw him in modern society and he will adapt to the best of his abilities but, as a whole, why did one region lag so far behind?[/quote]

War[/quote]
Europe was constantly at war.