Black Teen Shot 4

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
“the authority that asked Zimm to not pursue”
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The 911 tape has Zimmerman chasing Martin — you can hear him breathing heavy — the 911 opeartor saying “you don’t need to do that” and Zimmerman immediately stops running — you can hear his breathing return to normal — and walking back, stating “OK” to the operator.

Still relying on edited 911 tapes, even after the “He’s suspicious [huge edit, including operator asking, ‘what color is he?’] … he’s black” debacle is pathetic.

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Speculation at best. But his defense can try to argue.[/quote]

This is not even speculation, it’s fabrication. Complete 911 call with trancript indicates that there was 6 seconds of wind buffeting after Zimmerman said ok. 6 seconds for that guy is maybe 30 yds (generous???)…dispatcher asks Zimmerman his name and his voice is still fluctuating as if he is running("as if running OR walking fast), and still even after that the wind buffeting continues.

I’d assume Zimmerman did entertain the idea of walking back when he informs the dispatcher that police could meet him at the mailboxes, but that all changes because he asks to have the police call him so he can tell them where he will be. I’m sure it can be inferred that he had decided to leave the mailboxes and clearly did, because that’s not where the altercation was. It was deeper within the neighborhood, on the other side of his truck.

So maybe thirdruffian is implying that Martin dragged Zimmerman from the mailboxes to the point of the altercation and then started the ass whooping. Maybe thirdruffian is smarter than the State Prosecutor who filed the charges and he should be on the case. Or maybe thirdruffian is just as bad as those who did the 911 tape editing.

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
“the authority that asked Zimm to not pursue”
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The 911 tape has Zimmerman chasing Martin — you can hear him breathing heavy — the 911 opeartor saying “you don’t need to do that” and Zimmerman immediately stops running — you can hear his breathing return to normal — and walking back, stating “OK” to the operator.

Still relying on edited 911 tapes, even after the “He’s suspicious [huge edit, including operator asking, ‘what color is he?’] … he’s black” debacle is pathetic.

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Speculation at best. But his defense can try to argue.[/quote]

It’s on tape. Here:

As an aside, at 3:35, Zimmerman says, "Oh crap, I don’t want to give that all out. I don’t know where this kid is."

If Zimmerman doesn’t know where Martin is, it would not be possible for him to still be following Martin at this point.

So it appears, most likely, Martin came back and “revealed himself.”

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
“the authority that asked Zimm to not pursue”
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The 911 tape has Zimmerman chasing Martin — you can hear him breathing heavy — the 911 opeartor saying “you don’t need to do that” and Zimmerman immediately stops running — you can hear his breathing return to normal — and walking back, stating “OK” to the operator.

Still relying on edited 911 tapes, even after the “He’s suspicious [huge edit, including operator asking, ‘what color is he?’] … he’s black” debacle is pathetic.

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Speculation at best. But his defense can try to argue.[/quote]

It’s on tape. Here:

As an aside, at 3:35, Zimmerman says, "Oh crap, I don’t want to give that all out. I don’t know where this kid is."

If Zimmerman doesn’t know where Martin is, it would not be possible for him to still be following Martin at this point.

So it appears, most likely, Martin came back and “revealed himself.”[/quote]

Or they just turned the corner. If you look at the map. Zimmerman followed Martin to the point of losing sight of his own car.

At this point it’s up to his defense and the prosecution to argue. I’ve stated my thoughts already. Anything else is me guessing what happened.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Trayvon’s mom said she believed the shooting could have been an accident.

It may have been, but why wouldn’t Zimm have stated that when the police arrived on that fateful night?
Seems to me that it could have been the best story for him to go with.

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It is possible that the gun fired by accident…but it would have had to have been pulled out with the safety off for that to happen, right?[/quote]

The mother clarified what she meant by that. I can’t remember her specific words but the gist of it was that she meant to say that she believed it was an accident of fate that brought her son and Zimmerman together in this way rather than a premeditated plan on Zimmerman’s part to kill.

[quote]Adam Bomb wrote:
There is no safety on a Keltec PF9.

And no accidental would not be a better scenario for Z.[/quote]

This.

Admitting to accidentally letting the gun go off (can’t really happen as stated since there is no external safety and the trigger has something like a 8 lb pull) is admitting to negligence.

And LOL at the KKK comments. I’m pretty sure the KKK isn’t going to let a half Jewish half Hispanic dude in.

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
And LOL at the KKK comments. I’m pretty sure the KKK isn’t going to let a half Jewish half Hispanic dude in.[/quote]

Hey…they had no issue with a blind black dude joining shrug :slight_smile:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
And LOL at the KKK comments. I’m pretty sure the KKK isn’t going to let a half Jewish half Hispanic dude in.[/quote]

Hey…they had no issue with a blind black dude joining shrug :)[/quote]

D. Chappelle ftw!!

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
And LOL at the KKK comments. I’m pretty sure the KKK isn’t going to let a half Jewish half Hispanic dude in.[/quote]

Hey…they had no issue with a blind black dude joining shrug :)[/quote]

D. Chappelle ftw!![/quote]

I might need to pop in my season one DVD’s and re-watch it. I forgot just how good it was.

The judge for this case may have to step down. Apparently her husband is a law partner with a man who Zimmerman tried to hire to represent him. She is a lot prettier (for a white woman anyway) than what I would expect from a judge.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/13/2746363/judge-in-george-zimmerman-murder.html

The prosecutors have absolutely no case based on their affidavit. 2nd degree murder in Florida is a high bar to meet:

FSA section 782.04 section 2

Second degree murder:

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree…


“a depraved mind”


Three elements required for 2nd degree murder in Florida:

It is an unlawful killing if it is a result of 'an act or series of acts that:

  1. A person of ordinary judgement would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily harm to another

and

  1. Is done from ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent

and

  1. Is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

They have to show that Zimmerman shot Trayvon with “ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent” and showing a “depraved mind” and indifference to human life.

Relevant part of the prosecutors’ affidavit:

'…On Sunday February 6 2012 Trayvon Martin was temporarily living at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community in Sanford Seminole County Florida. That evening Martin walked to a nearby 711 store where he purchased a can of ice tea and a bag of skittles. Martin then walked back to and entered the gated community and was on his way back to the townhouse where he was living when he was profiled by George Zimmerman. Martin was unarmed and was not committing a crime. Zimmerman who also lived in the gated community and was driving his vehicle observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt that Martin did not belong in the gated community and called the police. Zimmerman spoke to the dispatcher and asked for an officer to respond because Zimmerman perceived that Martin was acting suspicious[sic].

The police dispatcher informed Zimmerman that an officer was on the way and to wait for the officer. During the recorded call Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had committed and got away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin Zimmerman stated “these assholes they always get away” and also said “these fucking pukes.” During this time Martin was on the phone to a friend and described to her what was happening. The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn’t know why. Martin attempted to run home but was followed by Zimmerman who didn’t want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime to get away before the police arrived.

Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and followed Martin. When the police dispatcher realised Zimmerman was pursuing Martin instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him. Zimmerman discarded the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home. Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued. Witnesses heard people arguing and what sounded like a struggle. During this time period witnesses heard numerous calls for help and some of these were recorded in 911 calls to police. Trayvon Martin’s mother has reviewed the 911 calls and indentified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin’s voice. Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. When police arrived Zimmerman admitted shooting Martin.’


That’s supposed to show probably cause for 2nd degree murder? Where’s the description of the “struggle?” They don’t even attempt to cover any of the points.

Much of the prosecutors’ story is also put together from unreliable witnesses. I don’t remember which witnesses changed their stories but as we know there is more than one account that Zimmerman was underneath Martin. Claims that it is Zimmerman’s voice on the tape calling for help. Audio “experts” who put forward a case that Zimmerman said “It’s fucking cold.” And the claim that Zimmerman was “profiling” Trayvon - what do they mean? Racially profiling? It’s incredible that this is all they are putting forward. So the first test will be if this is thrown out of court at the preliminary hearing - which it most certainly should be.

The Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder praises Al Sharpton - “I want to thank you for your partnership, your friendship, and your tireless efforts to speak out for the voiceless, to stand up for the powerless, and to shine a light on the problems we must solve, and the promises we must fulfill.” The Attorney General is a “friend” and a “partner” of Al Sharpton. Gee, that’s encouraging.

[quote]red04 wrote:

Not all broken noses involve a deviated septum, and scarring on the back of the head is not a requirement for sustained injuries during an aggravated assault(which is the threshold where deadly force becomes acceptable in self defense). Also, I’m sure I’m not the only person on this forum who has had an injury that required stitching and left no visible scar, it happens.

I’d concentrate my argument on other ‘evidence’ if I were making Trayvon’s case.
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Papa Zimm stated his son’s head was ‘‘broken’’. His lawyers stated there was a gash in his head. We’re talking about a gash here, not a scratch. Well, if stitching a deep wound apparently leaves no trace of scar after 46 days or so, hell yeah, I won’t mind having the name of the gel that was also used after wound has healed to help erase the scarring.

I agree with you on your last line. They have lied. Assuming they haven’t, and still insist on stating that Zimmfuck had no other choice than to shoot Trayvon 'cos he was on top of him bashing his head repeatedly on the concrete, then they’ll have to provide proof of the ‘‘life-threatening’’ injuries, ie EMT reports, photographic evidence of nose bruise/busted and head gash.

And me thinks that they have nada.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Oh dear, I thought Killerman was ‘‘hispanic’’… damn, didn’t stop him marking his race as ‘‘white’’ in his commissary shopping list. Hispanic a race? Sit your fucking ass down!

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I guess he accidentally skipped over the “mestizo” option.

Oh wait, there wasn’t one.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder praises Al Sharpton - “I want to thank you for your partnership, your friendship, and your tireless efforts to speak out for the voiceless, to stand up for the powerless, and to shine a light on the problems we must solve, and the promises we must fulfill.” The Attorney General is a “friend” and a “partner” of Al Sharpton. Gee, that’s encouraging.[/quote]
This Washington crew is a fucking circus act no doubt. Fortunately Florida still has some rational sense.

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Oh dear, I thought Killerman was ‘‘hispanic’’… damn, didn’t stop him marking his race as ‘‘white’’ in his commissary shopping list. Hispanic a race? Sit your fucking ass down!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/04/12/zimmerman.commissary.purchases.pdf[/quote]

I guess he accidentally skipped over the “mestizo” option.

Oh wait, there wasn’t one.[/quote]
Good luck arguing semantics over genotype and collective histories. What we have here is the mentality of a child who believes in Santa Claus and on Christmas Eve every noise, creaking walls, family member foot prints in the hall et cetera must be Santa! But don’t look to see for sure, you won’t get your presents.

George Zimmerman talks to Piers Morgan about his bro 2nd murder charge

Busted head and broken nose bullshit still used ad nauseam.

And when that cunt was asked what he’s got to say to the Martin family, he sat there and said plainly and bluntly ‘‘Trayvon Martin is dead. He died’’ with a cold stare and almost no sympathy in his words. Wow. As if Trayvon Martin was some kinda unfortunate stray animal and not a human being with a future, and a family, and a home where he was loved. Not even, I’m sorry for your loss? Not even acknowledge the pain and suffering the Martins were put through? Nice.

What he would say to ‘‘those people’’ is respect the system and get over it? The same fucking system that was ready to let his cold blooded, wannabe cop, bipolar, psychopathic brother off the loose without even looking for the family of the dead child for days before his family, activists, and demonstrators had to demand a proper and thorough investigation?

Fuck this entire family of cold hearted racists pigs. I hope his brother rots in jail.

You attack me and I kill you in self defense, don’t expect any sympathy from me.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
… Zimmfuck …
… Killerman’s … [/quote]

You really think its IN ANYBODY’s benefit for you to refer to Zimmerman with those names?

Its just a shitty situation that nobody wished happened no need to shit on Zimmerman anymore. Your kind of a bitch lol.

[quote]overstand wrote:
You attack me and I kill you in self defense, don’t expect any sympathy from me.[/quote]

Nothing is ever that black & white, sorry bub.

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
You attack me and I kill you in self defense, don’t expect any sympathy from me.[/quote]

Nothing is ever that black & white, sorry bub.[/quote]
Yeah, many if not most self defense cases are that black and white. This one just has a bullshit strawman twist to it.