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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m glad you said it and not me. This country couldn’t get a fair trial for a black man through much of the last two centuries but media bias now means you get pissed at the justice system?[/quote]

Yeah, it’s such a terrible and racist country that most blacks in this country are descendants of voluntary immigrants — you know, because immigrants pick countries where they are discriminated against.

I just listed to a cab driver (black, from Zimbabwe) mock American-born blacks for 30 minutes. He had a point. [/quote]

And this argues Prof X’s point how exactly??

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^Yes. And I’m confused as to why. All I have been hearing from the Zimmerman camp is “not to judge” and "innocent until proven guilty. Well here is the chance for all that to happen. But it seems that people have already concluded that he should be set free without completion of our judicial process.

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A political climate has been created whereby it will be impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial.[/quote]

I refuse to buy into that way of thinking. Will it be an easy process? Maybe not but this is our system our way of law. This is part of the line we walk as citizens. He took a life. A question exist as to why, I see nothing wrong with how this is going so far. I see no sham no mockery. If someone has a better way let us all know.

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I’m not saying they shouldn’t bring charges against him if they have sufficient evidence. I’m just very doubtful that he can get a fair trial.[/quote]

What does that have to do with the “anger” we are seeing in some of these posts?

I mean, that was the question to start with.

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I wasn’t talking about that. I was talking specifically about:

"All I have been hearing from the Zimmerman camp is “not to judge” and “innocent until proven guilty. Well here is the chance for all that to happen. But it seems that people have already concluded that he should be set free without completion of our judicial process.”

It’s not quite as simple as that now that the process has been corrupted.[/quote]

I still don’t hear of any options. Unless you want to just let him go free. And again its the best system I know of. Its up to his lawyers to weed out in the jury process. The court is not MSNBC or CNN or Fox News. Can Bias raise its head in a court room? YES. That is why we have check and balance. I just can’t lead into the “impossible” way of thought.

Our country didn’t go that route in the south during the 30’s-70’s when it was thought “impossible” for a person of color to have a fair trial. We work within our laws for justice and if our laws fail us we work to change them, not abandon them. And we know this when we leave the house everyday. Zimmerman knew this when he left his house that day. And if he didn’t he should have.[/quote]

I agree. This isn’t the first overly publicized case. It wasn’t impossible for Casey Anthony, O.J., or or Blago to get a fair trial. Zimerman will get a fair trial, I don’t see where the process has been corrupted.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m glad you said it and not me. This country couldn’t get a fair trial for a black man through much of the last two centuries but media bias now means you get pissed at the justice system?[/quote]

Yeah, it’s such a terrible and racist country that most blacks in this country are descendants of voluntary immigrants — you know, because immigrants pick countries where they are discriminated against.

I just listed to a cab driver (black, from Zimbabwe) mock American-born blacks for 30 minutes. He had a point. [/quote]

And this argues Prof X’s point how exactly?? [/quote]

His “point” is this country sucks for blacks. Well, then, why do blacks come here if it is so unfair?

Why did my cab driver leave Zimbabwe, a country “free” of the stain of the white man, thanks to racial purges by its native leaders?

Well, because America rocks, and Zimbabwe is a shithole. This country is the most fair country in the world to minorities, of all kinds.

I grew up on an Indian reservation, listening to the Apache-version of pussies like “Prof X,” moan about how the white man put sand in their vaginas.

Sorry, I have zero tolerance for that bullshit.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m glad you said it and not me. This country couldn’t get a fair trial for a black man through much of the last two centuries but media bias now means you get pissed at the justice system?[/quote]

Yeah, it’s such a terrible and racist country that most blacks in this country are descendants of voluntary immigrants — you know, because immigrants pick countries where they are discriminated against.

I just listed to a cab driver (black, from Zimbabwe) mock American-born blacks for 30 minutes. He had a point. [/quote]

And this argues Prof X’s point how exactly?? [/quote]

His “point” is this country sucks for blacks. Well, then, why do blacks come here if it is so unfair?

Why did my cab driver leave Zimbabwe, a country “free” of the stain of the white man, thanks to racial purges by its native leaders?

Well, because America rocks, and Zimbabwe is a shithole. This country is the most fair country in the world to minorities, of all kinds.

I grew up on an Indian reservation, listening to the Apache-version of pussies like “Prof X,” moan about how the white man put sand in their vaginas.

Sorry, I have zero tolerance for that bullshit.[/quote]

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My point was exactly as stated, that this country has a LONG verifiable history that is only now even being looked at of running minorities through the justice system whether they were guilty or not…but one episode where the media latches onto Zimmerman causes people to get “upset” and act like there is no hope of a fair trial?

It doesn’t add up if “fairness” is the goal.

You haven’t even addressed my point.

I signed up to be a soldier for this country after I saw what happened during 9/11. You fail at trying to sound patriotic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I signed up to be a soldier for this country after I saw what happened during 9/11. You fail at trying to sound patriotic.[/quote]

Wah, you signed up to get dental school paid for by the taxpayer. While I am sure your zoomies appreciated having clean teeth, we were actually shot at, blown up, and burned. Be happy to compare DD-214s and combat commendations.

For 4 threads, you have whined and mewed that this country sucks for blacks.

Well, whatever.

It was my people’s country before there were blacks or whites on this continent (well maybe some Vikings), and it was stolen, my people largely murdered, raped, and destroyed.

I could sit around and bitch and moan like you do about ancient history, or just get on me knees and thank God that that all happened because the greatest country in the world was created out of all that suffering, and I get to be part of it.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m glad you said it and not me. This country couldn’t get a fair trial for a black man through much of the last two centuries but media bias now means you get pissed at the justice system?[/quote]

Yeah, it’s such a terrible and racist country that most blacks in this country are descendants of voluntary immigrants — you know, because immigrants pick countries where they are discriminated against.

I just listed to a cab driver (black, from Zimbabwe) mock American-born blacks for 30 minutes. He had a point. [/quote]

And this argues Prof X’s point how exactly?? [/quote]

His “point” is this country sucks for blacks. Well, then, why do blacks come here if it is so unfair?

Why did my cab driver leave Zimbabwe, a country “free” of the stain of the white man, thanks to racial purges by its native leaders?

Well, because America rocks, and Zimbabwe is a shithole. This country is the most fair country in the world to minorities, of all kinds.

I grew up on an Indian reservation, listening to the Apache-version of pussies like “Prof X,” moan about how the white man put sand in their vaginas.

Sorry, I have zero tolerance for that bullshit.[/quote]

No…that’s what you perceived. You have zero tolerance…yet you can’t control your lack of tolerance to look at what exactly Prof X was stating.

I’m sure anyone can argue the U.S. as being better overall than Zimbabwe…so really…that point is irrelevant in this discussion. There are still things here that need to die out…but I myself(and most black ppl I encounter) don’t use it a crutch to keep from doing the best I can within American society.

I don’t use race or White majority as a excuse for anything…but if I did argue it anywhere as a huge factor…it would be within the judicial system. Which I think was Prof X’s point that you missed.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

Wah, you signed up to get dental school paid for by the taxpayer.[/quote]

No, I didn’t. I signed up after completing school. They didn’t pay for my education.

get your facts straight, kid.

You still haven’t addressed what I wrote but seem to follow me around quite a bit.

Either stick to the topic or kindly see your way out. Your posts in this thread suck.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I signed up to be a soldier for this country after I saw what happened during 9/11. You fail at trying to sound patriotic.[/quote]

Wah, you signed up to get dental school paid for by the taxpayer. While I am sure your zoomies appreciated having clean teeth, we were actually shot at, blown up, and burned. Be happy to compare DD-214s and combat commendations.

For 4 threads, you have whined and mewed that this country sucks for blacks.

Well, whatever.

It was my people’s country before there were blacks or whites on this continent (well maybe some Vikings), and it was stolen, my people largely murdered, raped, and destroyed.

I could sit around and bitch and moan like you do about ancient history, or just get on me knees and thank God that that all happened because the greatest country in the world was created out of all that suffering, and I get to be part of it.[/quote]

The vikings did not pre-date the Natives. I’m lost as to why you would thank God for the genicide of a people. And our country did not become great from all that suffering but inspite of it.

I’m proud my people survived all of the above, not that they went thru it.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
And lawyers don’t fire their clients. Smartass lawyers get fired by their clients.[/quote]

Certainly works both ways, yes. I have fired more than a few clients I determined I did not want to represent.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
And lawyers don’t fire their clients. Smartass lawyers get fired by their clients.[/quote]

Certainly works both ways, yes. I have fired more than a few clients I determined I did not want to represent.[/quote]

You’ve practiced law huh? I can understand not wanting to represent clients but not sure about the word “fire” - as the client employs the lawyer and instructs the lawyer based on the advice they are given. But maybe that’s just semantics.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^Yes. And I’m confused as to why. All I have been hearing from the Zimmerman camp is “not to judge” and "innocent until proven guilty. Well here is the chance for all that to happen. But it seems that people have already concluded that he should be set free without completion of our judicial process.

[/quote]

A political climate has been created whereby it will be impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial.[/quote]

I refuse to buy into that way of thinking. Will it be an easy process? Maybe not but this is our system our way of law. This is part of the line we walk as citizens. He took a life. A question exist as to why, I see nothing wrong with how this is going so far. I see no sham no mockery. If someone has a better way let us all know.

[/quote]

I personally agree with you that it would not be impossible to get a fair trial.

BUT if I was Zimmerman’s lawyer, I sure would argue that.

In particular, I would argue that Pres. Obama’s weighing in (“looks like my son”), the idiot Atty Gen. Eric Holder talking out of his ass, etc, made a fair trial impossible. There is some pretty favorable caselaw on this issue for Zimmerman.*

Anyway, expect this argument.

  • I am specfically thinking of a case were Nixon weighed in saying someone was guilty. As a result of Nixon being an idoit, there is a Supreme Court or the like opinion saying this poisons the jury panel and the accused had to be released because a fair trial was impossible. (Not sure of the exact details, just remember it from law school, but that is the jist.)
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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^Yes. And I’m confused as to why. All I have been hearing from the Zimmerman camp is “not to judge” and "innocent until proven guilty. Well here is the chance for all that to happen. But it seems that people have already concluded that he should be set free without completion of our judicial process.

[/quote]

A political climate has been created whereby it will be impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial.[/quote]

I refuse to buy into that way of thinking. Will it be an easy process? Maybe not but this is our system our way of law. This is part of the line we walk as citizens. He took a life. A question exist as to why, I see nothing wrong with how this is going so far. I see no sham no mockery. If someone has a better way let us all know.

[/quote]

I personally agree with you that it would not be impossible to get a fair trial.

BUT if I was Zimmerman’s lawyer, I sure would argue that.

In particular, I would argue that Pres. Obama’s weighing in (“looks like my son”), the idiot Atty Gen. Eric Holder talking out of his ass, etc, made a fair trial impossible. There is some pretty favorable caselaw on this issue for Zimmerman.*

Anyway, expect this argument.

  • I am specfically thinking of a case were Nixon weighed in saying someone was guilty. As a result of Nixon being an idoit, there is a Supreme Court or the like opinion saying this poisons the jury panel and the accused had to be released because a fair trial was impossible. (Not sure of the exact details, just remember it from law school, but that is the jist.)

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And his Defense should do what they can to see that the client gets a fair shake in the system. It’s funny when I think how the public And the media plays thing like this out.

Let it play out.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
^Yes. And I’m confused as to why. All I have been hearing from the Zimmerman camp is “not to judge” and "innocent until proven guilty. Well here is the chance for all that to happen. But it seems that people have already concluded that he should be set free without completion of our judicial process.

[/quote]

A political climate has been created whereby it will be impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial.[/quote]

I refuse to buy into that way of thinking. Will it be an easy process? Maybe not but this is our system our way of law. This is part of the line we walk as citizens. He took a life. A question exist as to why, I see nothing wrong with how this is going so far. I see no sham no mockery. If someone has a better way let us all know.

[/quote]

I personally agree with you that it would not be impossible to get a fair trial.

BUT if I was Zimmerman’s lawyer, I sure would argue that.

In particular, I would argue that Pres. Obama’s weighing in (“looks like my son”), the idiot Atty Gen. Eric Holder talking out of his ass, etc, made a fair trial impossible. There is some pretty favorable caselaw on this issue for Zimmerman.*

Anyway, expect this argument.

  • I am specfically thinking of a case were Nixon weighed in saying someone was guilty. As a result of Nixon being an idoit, there is a Supreme Court or the like opinion saying this poisons the jury panel and the accused had to be released because a fair trial was impossible. (Not sure of the exact details, just remember it from law school, but that is the jist.)

[/quote]

I remember that. Nixon declares Charles Manson guilty evening news broadcast San Clemente Backpoch Tapes - YouTube

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m glad you said it and not me. This country couldn’t get a fair trial for a black man through much of the last two centuries but media bias now means you get pissed at the justice system?[/quote]

Yeah, it’s such a terrible and racist country that most blacks in this country are descendants of voluntary immigrants — you know, because immigrants pick countries where they are discriminated against.

I just listed to a cab driver (black, from Zimbabwe) mock American-born blacks for 30 minutes. He had a point. [/quote]

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I just posted facts that nearly 300 people have been incarcerated in this country newly freed due to DNA evidence (Many were on death row). Most of those people were minorities. Our justice system has had HUGE faults for a very long time. I am simply wondering why some of you are only NOW so “upset”.[/quote]

It’s interesting to see that you are, in fact, willing to accept statistical data so long as it fits your world view.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57413385/court-affidavit-zimmerman-profiled-trayvon-martin/

Court affidavit: Zimmerman “profiled” Trayvon Martin

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He doesn’t look that heavy here…

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Not really newsworthy but whatever

A bunch of stuff Zimmerman bought from the store in jail

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One clearly white male, coming right up.

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I really feel bad for Zimmerman…I do. I don’t think he wanted any of this to happen…but it did.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
He doesn’t look that heavy here…[/quote]

I imagine the past month of stress prevented him from getting in his usual amount of food.