Black Teen Shot 4

[StevenF]

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
The autopsy didn’t find any of zimmermans dna on martins hands. Martins hands only had a quarter inch cut on them.

If martin was beating zimmerman like the stories he’s been telling…martins hands would definitely be in. Pretty bad shape

Shouldn’t that be proof enough that this wasn’t martin attacking zimmerman?

Anyone here ever fight another person and come away with nothing wrong with their hands?
[/quote]

Yes. I’m actually pleased to see my knuckles in good shape after a fight. It means I hit the soft spots on my opponents face. For the record, I’ve played hockey up to the pro level.

[four60]

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
The autopsy didn’t find any of zimmermans dna on martins hands. Martins hands only had a quarter inch cut on them.

If martin was beating zimmerman like the stories he’s been telling…martins hands would definitely be in. Pretty bad shape

Shouldn’t that be proof enough that this wasn’t martin attacking zimmerman?

Anyone here ever fight another person and come away with nothing wrong with their hands?
[/quote]

To be fair it does happen. Most people just have no clue how to throw a punch. They hit with the flat of the fist instead of the knuckles and if you punch like that it does 2 things it weakens the punch by spreading the force over your fingers instead of thru the knuckle and it does not scrape up your hands.

As a kid I would see guys hitting the heavy bags hard with no gloves or wraps and no scrapes but they just had no clue how to punch.

Sounds funny but true.

[Ct_Rockula]

Fair points

[Ct_Rockula]

We are talking a full on beatdown though not just punches

You guys don’t think his. Hands would be covered in zimmermans dna if he was actually delivering such a. Brutal beating?

[Cephalic_Carnage]

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s my understanding that shooting victims rarely die instantaneously.

I wonder if Martin lived for a while, and if there was any attempt to save him.[/quote]

CBS - “Trayvon Martin was shot through the heart at close range.”

Sounds pretty final.[/quote]

We had a guy get shot 4 times with a 38, once through the heart, and he’s walking around fine today. You might be surprised. [/quote]

I’m TOTALLY surprised.

He must feel like a miracle.
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read:
m4carbine forum → showthread.php?t=34714

[four60]

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
We are talking a full on beatdown though not just punches

You guys don’t think his. Hands would be covered in zimmermans dna if he was actually delivering such a. Brutal beating?[/quote]

Good Point. I’m not sure that his hands didn’t have Zims blood on it. They seem to be keeping a tight lip on things.

For the record I do think it was a struggle/Fight that caused those skuffs on Zimmerman and his falling to the ground caused the wound on the back of his head. I never thought that was a question. I just think we will never know what happened just before that and that is why I think Zimm will walk.

[heavythrower]

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Yep, they said they found THC (the wacky weed,cheeba,Marijuana). THC though is one of those drugs that can stay in your system from 2weeks to a month. So it may not play a part in that night. Depending on the level or not.

[/quote]

Certainly consistent with Zimmerman’s story that Martin “appeared to be on drugs.”

Basically, 100% of Zimmerman’s story has borne out to be true, so far.

Looks like the media and race-baiters ALMOST got away with lynching an innocent man.[/quote]

While it’s cool to play detective and all it’s still up to the courts to decide.

And nothing I’ve seen has changed my view that:

1- I still think Zimmerman will get off because no one knows what happened right before the struggle/Fight

2- Zimmermans Actions 100% From the moment he left the safety of his car to follow a suspect lead to the confrontation the fight and the death.

3- While I see his actions as beyond stupid and showed no forethought into the safety of himself or his surrounding neighbors, I Do Not think he broke any laws other than stupidity and dumbassitness.

4- Stay in the car, call the other watch captains and warn them to call the neighbors of a suspect and then tell them the cops have been called drive home and wait for police.

Gun owners and CCW holders understand that we must always be aware of what MAY happen if we slip up. [/quote]

pretty solid assessment,

to me the question is this:

if you provoke a confrontation, no matter how innocently or egregious, once that confrontation escalates to the physical level, and the instigator realizes that he is on the receiving end of a felony asault and battery from a bigger, younger, and stronger opponent, does that person have the right to defend his/herself with deadly force.

I think what few facts that can be ascertained from us lay people who are just reading stuff about this case from various media, a couple of things are obvious and very hard to dispute.

1. Zimmerman’s stupid, but not criminal actions led to the confrontation, in other words, if he had done the wise and right thing, none of this would have happened,

2. Zimmerman was on the receiving end of a felony assault and battery.

simply put, if you pick a fight, once you are getting your ass soundly kicked, do you have a right to defend yourself with a gun if you cannot do it with your fists?

[Sifu]

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
So whats actually happening now?[/quote]

What is happening now is that despite the drug test coming back positive which would tend to support my speculation that Martin might have been burning one, which would have made him look suspicious to Zimmerman. No one has issued a full retraction of, or formally apologized for, the ridicule they cast upon me for suggesting it.

[four60]

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
So whats actually happening now?[/quote]

What is happening now is that despite the drug test coming back positive which would tend to support my speculation that Martin might have been burning one, which would have made him look suspicious to Zimmerman. No one has issued a full retraction of, or formally apologized for, the ridicule they cast upon me for suggesting it. [/quote]

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaahahahahahh

Good Stuff Man.

Ok

Despite Zimmerman himself never saying he seen him lighting up and no drugs or drug tools( lighter,pipe,baggy) was found I will step up and say sorry for laughing at your theory.

It’s as valid as any of us “not in the know” group has given.

[jeep69]

The 7-11 video of martin was released the other day, He looked much different from any pictures the media had flashed of him…

I understand the outcry and hopefully the courts will make the correct decision but am I the only one that feels the media/jessie jackson/.sharpton should be held accountable for social unrest or some type of criminal action by verbally lynching what is now looking more and more like an innocent man that killed a kid in self defense?

Where is the accountability in the media for spinning this bullshit and tyring to racially divide the coutry on this matter? Do jackson or sharpton have anything to say about the new evidence or can they be held to some sory of civil unrest charge.

IF he gets off black people will riot and there will be a shit storm… but I do not feel he should be convicted of Murder and that would be an absoloute TRAVISTY of justice if a man was convicted of murder because of media hype and social unrest.

If he is conviceted is there any rioting for Zimmerman’s supporters or would that be viewed as racist to openly support him, total shitstorm and no way anyone wins in this, they should have pushed for manslaughter not murder, what a fucking kick in the ass the DA is going to get

[IamMarqaos]

ABC news (take that for what you will) had this to say yesterday:

Trayvon Martin Witness Believes ‘He Intended for This Kid to Die’

By MATT GUTMAN and SENI TIENABESO | ABC News ? Fri, May 18, 2012

A closer look at the witness statements and audio testimony taken in the immediate aftermath Trayvon Martin’s death provides the first insight into George Zimmerman’s behavior after he shot the unarmed teen.
A man listed as witness 13 was one of the first people to approach Zimmerman minutes after the shooting. He saw him bleeding from the back of the head and nose. Zimmerman asked the unidentified man to call his wife for him.

“Let her know what’s happening, been involved in a shooting and will be held for questioning,” the witness told the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. “He was more like, talking like he was having a hard time, looked like he just got his butt whipped … not like he was in shock, not like, ‘I can’t believe I just shot someone,’ but like, ‘Just tell my wife I just shot someone,’ like it was nothing.”

A woman identified as witness 5 walked out of her home after hearing the altercation to find Zimmerman standing over Martin’s body. She said she asked him what was going on and he curtly said just, “Call the police.” The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin’s body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen’s body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

“I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die,” witness 5 told investigators. “If you’re in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He’s a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. … I think the kid was running for help.”

Zimmerman is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing.

Martin was in Sanford, Fla., while serving a suspension from his Miami school for being caught with an empty marijuana bag. At the time of the shooting, he was staying at the home of his father’s girlfriend. An autopsy found THC, the intoxicating chemical in marijuana, was in his system.

At 7:11 that night, Zimmerman, a member of the area’s neighborhood watch, had called 911 to report a suspicious teenager.

Minutes later, the police dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop follwing Martin. Moments later, Zimmerman got out of his car.

That’s when the two met and Martin was killed.

Zimmerman has claimed that when he shot the 6-foot, 160-pound teenager he was on his back and Martin was astride him pounding away.

[xXSeraphimXx]

[quote]jeep69 wrote:
The 7-11 video of martin was released the other day, He looked much different from any pictures the media had flashed of him…

I understand the outcry and hopefully the courts will make the correct decision but am I the only one that feels the media/jessie jackson/.sharpton should be held accountable for social unrest or some type of criminal action by verbally lynching what is now looking more and more like an innocent man that killed a kid in self defense?

Where is the accountability in the media for spinning this bullshit and tyring to racially divide the coutry on this matter? Do jackson or sharpton have anything to say about the new evidence or can they be held to some sory of civil unrest charge.

IF he gets off black people will riot and there will be a shit storm… but I do not feel he should be convicted of Murder and that would be an absoloute TRAVISTY of justice if a man was convicted of murder because of media hype and social unrest.

If he is conviceted is there any rioting for Zimmerman’s supporters or would that be viewed as racist to openly support him, total shitstorm and no way anyone wins in this, they should have pushed for manslaughter not murder, what a fucking kick in the ass the DA is going to get[/quote]

That’s because the media keeps using pictures that are years old.

[TigerTime]

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
ABC news (take that for what you will) had this to say yesterday:

Trayvon Martin Witness Believes ‘He Intended for This Kid to Die’

By MATT GUTMAN and SENI TIENABESO | ABC News ? Fri, May 18, 2012

A closer look at the witness statements and audio testimony taken in the immediate aftermath Trayvon Martin’s death provides the first insight into George Zimmerman’s behavior after he shot the unarmed teen.
A man listed as witness 13 was one of the first people to approach Zimmerman minutes after the shooting. He saw him bleeding from the back of the head and nose. Zimmerman asked the unidentified man to call his wife for him.

“Let her know what’s happening, been involved in a shooting and will be held for questioning,” the witness told the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. “He was more like, talking like he was having a hard time, looked like he just got his butt whipped … not like he was in shock, not like, ‘I can’t believe I just shot someone,’ but like, ‘Just tell my wife I just shot someone,’ like it was nothing.”

A woman identified as witness 5 walked out of her home after hearing the altercation to find Zimmerman standing over Martin’s body. She said she asked him what was going on and he curtly said just, “Call the police.” The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin’s body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen’s body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

“I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die,” witness 5 told investigators. “If you’re in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He’s a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. … I think the kid was running for help.”

Zimmerman is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing.

Martin was in Sanford, Fla., while serving a suspension from his Miami school for being caught with an empty marijuana bag. At the time of the shooting, he was staying at the home of his father’s girlfriend. An autopsy found THC, the intoxicating chemical in marijuana, was in his system.

At 7:11 that night, Zimmerman, a member of the area’s neighborhood watch, had called 911 to report a suspicious teenager.

Minutes later, the police dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop follwing Martin. Moments later, Zimmerman got out of his car.

That’s when the two met and Martin was killed.

Zimmerman has claimed that when he shot the 6-foot, 160-pound teenager he was on his back and Martin was astride him pounding away.[/quote]

So the evidence presented as to why Zimmerman “seemed like he wanted martin to die” is that he wasn’t ‘shocked’ enough for one witness and he shot Martin in the torso instead of the leg?

Send him to the chair!

[DarkNinjaa]

[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Its funny how all the people on the Zimmerman Hate train have disappeared. [/quote]

Yeah. We’ve got a life outside these boards, ya know?

And good to see your wife had let you out of the leash.

LOL

[DarkNinjaa]

So the very next day the FBI is considering pressing hate crime against Zimmerfuck, evidence of injuries/photos come out. And let’s not forget the negro great-great-grand relative. LMFAO!!

And what photo of injuries?? Lol. Photos that could have been leaked/released months ago are now surfacing. The ‘‘broken’’ nose is just a ‘‘cat scratch’’ on top, no trace of blood, nose doesn’t appear swollen – but ask your physician and he’ll prove the hidden damages with Xrays, LMFAO!! – no black eyes – and yet Mr Family physician could have taken the next day photo to show how swollen and blue black the eyes had gone… nah, he didn’t bother; blood drips out of the ‘‘broken’’ head, but no sign of brain candy shit.

Interestingly enough, the EMTs are heard on tape saying they’d cleaned up his head. So that asshole started bleeding again at the station? No bandage was put on his wound to avoid infection? Didn’t the EMT say he only had one wound at the back of the head? Now we see more than one?? EMT didn’t even take any pics of the ‘‘life threatening’’ injuries?

Shit, the new pics could have been taken any time during Zimmerfuck’s hiding. And he doesn’t look like some guy who was grounded and pounded MMA style.

Zimmerfuck refused EMT report and instead decided to see the family physician the next morning? LMFAO!! This case is getting so hilarious that I feel sorry for my abs.

And to add to this fuckery, Zimmerfuck is NOW INNOCENT 'cos drugs were found in the kid’s system, which justifies his murder. Hahaha!

Congrats to this family of racist fucks. They’ve saved their son from a good jail ass raping.

[DarkNinjaa]

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
We are talking a full on beatdown though not just punches

[/quote]

There was no beatdown. Have you seen that fucker’s face? And his ‘‘broken’’ head?

Nothing justified him pulling the trigger that night.

That fat pussy, son of a bitch will walk. His father is making sure of that.

[IamMarqaos]

@ Tigertime: That’s what you got from that?

Not one, but two witnesses described him a certain way, Witness 13 and Witness 5. It is important especially since Zimmerman acted against what he was told to do by the 911 operator AND what is standard practice with neighborhood watchmen. They are supposed to ‘watch’, report to the police, ‘watch some more’ and wait for the police to arrive.

He did not, he got out of the car, against expressed advice, while armed and started following a young man. The young man freaked, attacked (maybe, we don’t know who really threw the first hit, got the upper hand and was killed for it (note I did not say murdered).

I am curious as to why he did not follow directions? Why would an armed man get out of the car and follow a ‘suspect’ individual, who ‘presumably is on something’? Why?

Did he want to prove himself worthy of being a cop?

They are trying to convict him for murder, they are going to have to prove he had intent to kill. Witness statements like this are important.

And so we are on the same page, I did not cut and paste this with a certain intent in mind, merely to add new info released.

I personally think it will be impossible to convict him of murder and they should have gone for involuntary manslaughter.

[batman730]

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
That’s what you got from that?

Not one, but two witnesses described him a certain way, Witness 13 and Witness 5. It is important especially since Zimmerman acted against what he was told to do by the 911 operator AND what is standard practice with neighborhood watchmen. They are supposed to ‘watch’, report to the police, ‘watch some more’ and wait for the police to arrive.

He did not, he got out of the car, against expressed advice, while armed and started following a young man. The young man freaked, attacked (maybe, we don’t know who really threw the first hit, got the upper hand and was killed for it (note I did not say murdered).

I am curious as to why he did not follow directions? Why would an armed man get out of the car and follow a ‘suspect’ individual, who ‘presumably is on something’? Why?

Did he want to prove himself worthy of being a cop?

They are trying to convict him for murder, they are going to have to prove he had intent to kill. Witness statements like this are important.

And so we are on the same page, I did not cut and paste this with a certain intent in mind, merely to add new info released.

I personally think it will be impossible to convict him of murder and they should have gone for involuntary manslaughter. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily disagree with most of what you have said here. However, I do question the value of witness statements (or at least portions thereof) where random people are offering their opinions regarding Zimmerman’s intentions during actions they did not see and/or interpreting his demeanour afterword in terms of whether he was “in shock” etc.

Have these witnesses been exposed to lots of people in the minutes following a fatal shooting? What qualifications/experience are they basing their assessments on?

Witness 5’s assertion that Z should have shot Martin in the leg reveals that she is, at best, completely ignorant on the subject of violence in general. As such, my faith in her ability to interpret Z’s behaviour in terms of “appropriateness?” following such violence is somewhat lacking. I highly doubt that she will be invited to share her opinions in court.

[Professor_X]

If my intent is to avoid killing someone unless absolutely necessary, I would think my actions right after the shooting would be extremely important in determining mind set. It doesn’t sound like any CPR was performed on this kid until several minutes later when the ambulance arrived…after he was already dead. That is why I asked if there was any attempt at all to save this kid’s life.

I agree with IamMarqaos about the chances this has and agree with what he should have been charged with.

Even if he thought this was a grown man at first, up close, he was clearly fighting a kid. I also don’t doubt that Zimmerman may have bruised his own head himself during the altercation and a bruise doesn’t mean the other guy inflicted it. I doubt Zimmerman has “cat-like” reflexes.

My guess is, Zimmerman thought he had shot a simple random criminal and treated the kid that way until he found out who the kid was. That will have to play a role in this in court even if it doesn’t have a drastic effect on the outcome.

[Gettnitdone]

Black teen got shot/
Zim popped the glock actin’ like a cop/
And then media flock/
A black male walking down the block/