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[quote]WW3General wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WW3General wrote:
I mean they created a new race of humanity just to stoke the racial fires, who had heard of a white hispanic before this case? .[/quote]

I am laughing at this. I do believe MANY OF US have stated that hispanics were listed as white in Texas on most test forms through most of my childhood. It isn’t some new race that was made up. it is the simple fact that hispanics were not separated from white in many states, I would assume especially in the south.

Further, this guy is half white and his dad is white. How the hell is he just “hispanic”?[/quote]

I am not saying he is hispanic. I am saying that the term white hipanic is bullshit just to make racial tensions worse. Zimmerman should be the one who decides what his label should be if he wants one at all. I am from northern European ancestors, I also have Cherokee in my recent past. I am not called a white/native or a white/indian, or a white/ Cherokee, I am Caucasian or other on most forms. Just like a man who is half black and half white is not a white/ black man or a White/ African. I think it is ridiculous that they created a new term in the media to bring race more fully into this murder. Why was it not just reported that a man killed a teenager? Why would his race matter? It should not matter that is the whole point, a person is dead because of a man’s actions race had nothing to do with it until the media got ahold of it.[/quote]

While I agree that it should not be important. The term White Hispanic is not new. A white Hispanic is someone born in a Latin American country who has no indigenous blood, as opposed to those of pure indigenous blood, and Mestizos.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]WW3General wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WW3General wrote:
I mean they created a new race of humanity just to stoke the racial fires, who had heard of a white hispanic before this case? .[/quote]

I am laughing at this. I do believe MANY OF US have stated that hispanics were listed as white in Texas on most test forms through most of my childhood. It isn’t some new race that was made up. it is the simple fact that hispanics were not separated from white in many states, I would assume especially in the south.

Further, this guy is half white and his dad is white. How the hell is he just “hispanic”?[/quote]

I am not saying he is hispanic. I am saying that the term white hipanic is bullshit just to make racial tensions worse. Zimmerman should be the one who decides what his label should be if he wants one at all. I am from northern European ancestors, I also have Cherokee in my recent past. I am not called a white/native or a white/indian, or a white/ Cherokee, I am Caucasian or other on most forms. Just like a man who is half black and half white is not a white/ black man or a White/ African. I think it is ridiculous that they created a new term in the media to bring race more fully into this murder. Why was it not just reported that a man killed a teenager? Why would his race matter? It should not matter that is the whole point, a person is dead because of a man’s actions race had nothing to do with it until the media got ahold of it.[/quote]

While I agree that it should not be important. The term White Hispanic is not new. A white Hispanic is someone born in a Latin American country who has no indigenous blood, as opposed to those of pure indigenous blood, and Mestizos.
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So by your definition it has no place in this instance?

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[quote]WW3General wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]WW3General wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WW3General wrote:
I mean they created a new race of humanity just to stoke the racial fires, who had heard of a white hispanic before this case? .[/quote]

I am laughing at this. I do believe MANY OF US have stated that hispanics were listed as white in Texas on most test forms through most of my childhood. It isn’t some new race that was made up. it is the simple fact that hispanics were not separated from white in many states, I would assume especially in the south.

Further, this guy is half white and his dad is white. How the hell is he just “hispanic”?[/quote]

I am not saying he is hispanic. I am saying that the term white hipanic is bullshit just to make racial tensions worse. Zimmerman should be the one who decides what his label should be if he wants one at all. I am from northern European ancestors, I also have Cherokee in my recent past. I am not called a white/native or a white/indian, or a white/ Cherokee, I am Caucasian or other on most forms. Just like a man who is half black and half white is not a white/ black man or a White/ African. I think it is ridiculous that they created a new term in the media to bring race more fully into this murder. Why was it not just reported that a man killed a teenager? Why would his race matter? It should not matter that is the whole point, a person is dead because of a man’s actions race had nothing to do with it until the media got ahold of it.[/quote]

While I agree that it should not be important. The term White Hispanic is not new. A white Hispanic is someone born in a Latin American country who has no indigenous blood, as opposed to those of pure indigenous blood, and Mestizos.
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So by your definition it has no place in this instance?[/quote]
no, no bearing.

A dude shot a dude. Criminality will be decided in court.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Stupidity is not a crime in Florida. If he gets off it may have more to do with the prosecutions choices than anything else. [/quote]

I think this is correct.

The prosecution has no way of proving Zimmerman provoked the fight with Martin; in fact, the investigator admitted it. As a result, the self-defense claim will stand and he won’t be convicted of 2nd degree murder.

If the prosecutor wasn’t such a political whore, she would have charged Zimmerman with “involuntary manslaughter,” which includes a “criminal negligence” stadard.

“Involuntary manslaughter” is for when you do something stupid — like drive way too fast and kill someone.

If they did involuntary manslaughter, all the STUPID shit Zimmerman did would be relevant and you’d get a conviction.

Now, it will be a very narrow case with the prosecution trying to show who threw the first punch.[/quote]

If the prosecution doesn’t satisfactorily prove 2nd degree murder, can the jury come back with manslaughter? How does something like that work?[/quote]

They can put manslaughter in the charge as well. It’s called a “lesser included offense.”

This idiot, however, appears to be swinging for the fences.

She needed to go for the “base hit” and call it good.

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Does the information regarding Trayvon being in possession of women’s jewelry that admittedly did not belong to him and from a source he refused to name, make anyone question his true intent while walking around at night in the rain?

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Does the information regarding Trayvon being in possession of women’s jewelry that admittedly did not belong to him and from a source he refused to name, make anyone question his true intent while walking around at night in the rain? [/quote]

NOPE, and neither did Zimmermans altercations with the police make me question why Zimmerman went to the same 7/11 that night. Zimmerman was not found with booze in his truck or a I hate police sticker that night and Martin was not found with any burglary tools or weapons or any jewlry that night.

It was 2 people who went to the store and had an altercation on the way back. The story/crime is in what happened on the way back from the store.

People want you to look into everything other than what happened that night. Its a game both sides are playing

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http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/[/quote]

May all parties who participated in this crime be caught, tried and put in Jail.

This had nothing to do with the case. It had everything to do with dumbasses who wanted to beat up a person. It’s an excuse to justify stupidity.

And it does not Vindicate Zimmerman or validate the Martin case or ease the suffering of either families.

But I’m sure the media and others will have fun trying to conect the two.

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I carry a ruger sp 101 or a s&w air weight 357. I don’t worry about reloading or trigger pull . The guns work just fine .

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

And why does the right only seem to give a shit about gun owner rights over civil rights?
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Just for the record, the right to bare arms is a civil right.[/quote]

Picked up my first wheel gun 3 weeks ago and believe it or not I thought of your No semi auto having azz when I picked it up.

Long live the Ruger GP100[/quote]

Actually, I carry a G23. I just didn’t understand the lack of consideration for a revolver in that handgun thread.[/quote]

Well I guess I missed that one… Let’s see… Low amount of pistol ammo, with no temporary channel worth mentioning so you’re reduced to poking tiny holes in people and hope you hit the spinal cord or the brain… An average trigger pull of 3 tons to help you shoot whatever is down and to the side of whatever you’re aiming at… Usually horrible sights…
The reload thing…

Well, you can kill people with a revolver, it’s just… Unless you’re one of the very damn few good revolver shooters out there who practice with the things all day long and have them customized with 2000 dollars worth of crap, why bother if you have other options (talking about HD/CCW of course, not shooting for fun or collecting)?

Hey, if you guys want to discuss this further, the terminal ballistics thread in the combat section is getting lonely.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/[/quote]
It’s too bad he wasn’t armed.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
I carry a ruger sp 101 or a s&w air weight 357. I don’t worry about reloading or trigger pull . The guns work just fine .
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Let’s continue there, this isn’t really the thread for gun talk.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/[/quote]

May all parties who participated in this crime be caught, tried and put in Jail.

This had nothing to do with the case. It had everything to do with dumbasses who wanted to beat up a person. It’s an excuse to justify stupidity.

And it does not Vindicate Zimmerman or validate the Martin case or ease the suffering of either families.

But I’m sure the media and others will have fun trying to conect the two.[/quote]

So, the situation is still getting worse…

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[quote]four60 wrote:

But I’m sure the media and others will have fun trying to conect the two.[/quote]

You are correct, again, of course that the two matter legally have nothing to do with each other.

But the media did intentionally try to stoke racial hatred by making a series of “mistakes” all attempting to paint this as a racially-motivated killing — the edited 911 tape being the most disgusting. Indeed, the media so successful: (1) you have blacks randomly attacking whites all around the country and (2) that otherwise intelligent guys like Professor X jump through amazing mental gymnastics trying to make a racial link to this crime.

As seen with the neo-nazis murders of innocents in Tulsa, the black-on-white random violence will stoke a white-on-black random violence backlash.

My question is: who will benefit from a race war in the USA?

Is it just the media because, if it bleeds it ledes, and they need ratings?

Is it Republicans? Is it Democrats? Is it an outside force?

Normal blacks and normal whites need to figure this shit out fast before the abnormal segments of our respective populations fuck up this country.

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I’m curious what Charles Manson thinks about all of this.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
I’m curious what Charles Manson thinks about all of this.[/quote]

Pop…tarts…cherry.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
I’m curious what Charles Manson thinks about all of this.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

But I’m sure the media and others will have fun trying to conect the two.[/quote]

You are correct, again, of course that the two matter legally have nothing to do with each other.

But the media did intentionally try to stoke racial hatred by making a series of “mistakes” all attempting to paint this as a racially-motivated killing — the edited 911 tape being the most disgusting. Indeed, the media so successful: (1) you have blacks randomly attacking whites all around the country and (2) that otherwise intelligent guys like Professor X jump through amazing mental gymnastics trying to make a racial link to this crime.

As seen with the neo-nazis murders of innocents in Tulsa, the black-on-white random violence will stoke a white-on-black random violence backlash.

My question is: who will benefit from a race war in the USA?

Is it just the media because, if it bleeds it ledes, and they need ratings?

Is it Republicans? Is it Democrats? Is it an outside force?

Normal blacks and normal whites need to figure this shit out fast before the abnormal segments of our respective populations fuck up this country.[/quote]

Don’t over estimate the results of this case on the day to day living of “Normal” Black or white people. The day after the trial people will gasp, some will yell and most will go back to the day to day of living.

And that is what will happen no matter what the verdict is.

We have tension in the states no question, but its no where near what it use to be but the comedy comes around when people try to pretend its NOT THERE.

I have seen vids of racial crime on youtube before. I grew up in Brooklyn with the whole howard beach thing went down and people tried to tell me that it had nothing to do with race. Well it did, but it was also about Dumb people.

Dumb people will do Dumb shit. The only thing situations like this do is give a Catch Phrase for someone to yell out after they commit the Dumbass act.

If you ask me on a one to one. “Do I think Trayvon being Black had a part in why Zimmerman found him so suspicous”? I will say without question YES. But it had nothing to do with his Dumbass actions after. You can have racial thought and bias without following them up with DUMBASS actions.

Most people know and understand this. The meida’s whole thing is Ratings. The politics behind this is “If I can make you afraid, then I can promise to calm your fear with a promise of change” ITs how we get Fear based laws. But In order for this to work I first must make people afraid of something. Race bating is the fastest way to do this.

I have no issues with marches and speeches. I think its healthy for people to yell out about what they fear. It keeps the rest of us sharp and aware. And even if it does not affect me or my family at least I know what you are afraid of.

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Four60, you’ve had some of the most clear-headed and thoughtful posts here.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Four60, you’ve had some of the most clear-headed and thoughtful posts here.

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HA, naaaaaa. Was some good stuff posted on both sides of the fence. I’m learning some law from people who don’t agree with anything I’ve said.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Four60, you’ve had some of the most clear-headed and thoughtful posts here.

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Both Jewbacca and Four60 have impressed me with their level headed posts…stuff that makes you think without them having to beat you over the head with it.

Kudos.